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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 24, 2024 10:54:32 GMT -5
If only we had a large NIL war chest at our disposal that has been touted by many sources including Big East insider John Fanta…. No, NIL chest, no matter how big, can make 7 foot capable basketball players grown on trees. There are only a handful of such guys at any given time in college. St. John’s just got one. Xavier is recruiting one from UC-Irvine. We just had one on campus for a multi-day visit with a huge NIL bag at our disposal. Why wouldn’t we be able to land him? Saying he’s asking for too much money seems like a pretty poor excuse when for a year we’ve been told we have huge NIL resources.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 24, 2024 11:08:58 GMT -5
No, NIL chest, no matter how big, can make 7 foot capable basketball players grown on trees. There are only a handful of such guys at any given time in college. St. John’s just got one. Xavier is recruiting one from UC-Irvine. We just had one on campus for a multi-day visit with a huge NIL bag at our disposal. Why wouldn’t we be able to land him? Saying he’s asking for too much money seems like a pretty poor excuse when for a year we’ve been told we have huge NIL resources. Acting like you would've been happy with the absolute project St John's just picked up at C is comical.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2024 11:31:11 GMT -5
Have you been reading my posts? Because your reaction is not really a response to what I've said. Sometime I go at it directly, sometimes I go a more round-about way that is indirect. It appears we are simply going in circles at this point. I hear you in regards to the non-injury rationale of why Fielder was not on the court more even if I don't see eye-to-eye with you. Forget about next season if/when Fielder improves; there was no excuse, in my humble opinion, of having Massoud eat up all those minutes when Fielder could have been a better option. The stats I come across tells me that Fielder makes winning contributions to a (losing) team. Granted it may have been intangibles that we can't statistically measure that were more of an issue. That's fine -- where I clearly get frustrated is getting responded to as if I've made an argument that I didn't. For example, my post wasn't about last year. My commentary was a comment about Fielder's value this coming year. While I happen to agree that, injury concerns aside, he should have played more over Massoud (and had already said so!) you seemed to be addressing points about Fielder's play next year with a comparison to Ish Massoud. If anyone on our team is playing like Ish Massoud and getting minutes, that's a bad sign. That standard is simply far too low to matter. I'm also with you on Cook v Fielder, though I don't know how much was instruction versus Cook's weaknesses. As for next year, my standards for success are going to be a vastly improved defense. Fielder can be a big part of that. But there were absolutely aspects of his game that if he had been left out there instead of getting pulled in certain situations, his stats would have been worse. Not against every team or every player, and there's no doubt that Fielder had a hook that older players did not -- they were just left out there to get abused. Was that mis-evaluation by Cooley? An overdependence on veterans? Or simply long term management protecting the health and confidence of a young player while letting the older guys take the hits? We'll see. Either way, Fielder was #1 on my list of players I wanted to return. It's a short list, sadly, really just 4-5 players long and really only the Top 3 mattered at all, but he was #1. I think the fact that he did after last season does very possibly tell us there's an acceptable plan going forward.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 24, 2024 11:33:24 GMT -5
Understand - but it seems that every game I have seen the last few years, the teams with mobile bigs have overwhelmed us in every which way. We should at least try to counterbalance in some way. Just saying. The bolded part is key. Big, mobile bigs. If Ryan Mutombo was as mobile as someone like Edey, we would have been set, except he isn't. I would love to have a big, mobile center who is 7'. Realistically, though, there are a handful of those guys out there, and the odds of getting them are pretty low. I really feel like people focus too much on 7 footers anyway. Sure, if all else is equal, give me the height. If Roy Hibbert grew on tree, I would want one every year (good example of a big who would still be great in college, but whose NBA prospects would be more limited now than 15 years ago). But especially in the college game, I would take an athletic, high IQ, skilled center who is 6'9 or 6'10 any day over a 7 footer who isn't mobile and without skill. Other than Hibbert, the best big we have had in the last 20 years is Greg Monroe, who was 6'10/6/11. I know he gets a lot of hate on here because of his academic ineligibility and weight, but Josh Smith was an effective offensive player in scoring and he was 6'10--granted his huge size helped him a lot on that too. And he was 6'10. We need a very good defensive big who can also be serviceable on offense to supplement Sober and Fielder. Do we realistically have a shot at the Kentucky guy who entered the portal recently? That would obviously fit the 7 footer category. But absent him, I don't think there are many 7 footers out there, so we need to just go for the biggest, most skilled guy we can get.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2024 11:36:54 GMT -5
If only we had a large NIL war chest at our disposal that has been touted by many sources including Big East insider John Fanta…. No, NIL chest, no matter how big, can make 7 foot capable basketball players grown on trees. There are only a handful of such guys at any given time in college. We sign a number of quality players and hoyaboya disappears for days, only to come back to make snide criticisms about not having signed a big yet. If and when we do, he will disappear again.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2024 11:39:44 GMT -5
No, NIL chest, no matter how big, can make 7 foot capable basketball players grown on trees. There are only a handful of such guys at any given time in college. St. John’s just got one. Xavier is recruiting one from UC-Irvine. We just had one on campus for a multi-day visit with a huge NIL bag at our disposal. Why wouldn’t we be able to land him? Saying he’s asking for too much money seems like a pretty poor excuse when for a year we’ve been told we have huge NIL resources. Yes, it's always a good idea to buy things irrespective of price and value with no thought to other options or future needs. Good strategy.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 24, 2024 11:42:26 GMT -5
No, NIL chest, no matter how big, can make 7 foot capable basketball players grown on trees. There are only a handful of such guys at any given time in college. St. John’s just got one. Xavier is recruiting one from UC-Irvine. We just had one on campus for a multi-day visit with a huge NIL bag at our disposal. Why wouldn’t we be able to land him? Saying he’s asking for too much money seems like a pretty poor excuse when for a year we’ve been told we have huge NIL resources. A few things: 1. There are multiple reports Georgetown is willing to spend big on NIL, but none of us know how much. Nor do we know if it is tied to specific players or if there is a "bank" of sorts for Cooley and the university to use any way they wish. Very few donors just splash money around without wanting to have influence or say in how it is used. 2. There are reports that we are the highest NIL bid Omoruyi has, but he wants more. Omoruyi is a very good player who would greatly help our team, but he also isn't the level of Hunter Dickenson, for example. Point being--can we "overpay" for guys to compensate for our recent poor history? Yes. But only so much. Would Cliff Omoruyi come if we threw $2 million at him? Maybe. But that would be silly because he's not worth that much and he has only one year left. It is important to remember that even in situations where players want NIL money, it is not the only factor. And if Omoruyi's NIL offer from Georgetown is the highest, and he wants to try to bid himself up, he has that choice. Whether it's smart is a whole other question. If he does this, I think there's some chance nobody else outbids Georgetown and he ends up getting less to go somewhere else, if we have moved on to someone else by that point. 3. Minor point, but most sites and rosters have Omoruyi at 6'11, so technically he isn't a seven footer. 4. There are reports we have been connected to Kentucky transfer Ugonna Onyenso, who is a 7 footer. 5. The window for entering the portal ends May 1, but players have plenty of time to do visits and make commitments. Our roster isn't complete.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 24, 2024 12:29:10 GMT -5
No, NIL chest, no matter how big, can make 7 foot capable basketball players grown on trees. There are only a handful of such guys at any given time in college. St. John’s just got one. Xavier is recruiting one from UC-Irvine. We just had one on campus for a multi-day visit with a huge NIL bag at our disposal. Why wouldn’t we be able to land him? Saying he’s asking for too much money seems like a pretty poor excuse when for a year we’ve been told we have huge NIL resources. The guy we just had on campus is not 7 feet. That was the criteria I was going by.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 24, 2024 12:41:02 GMT -5
St. John’s just got one. Xavier is recruiting one from UC-Irvine. We just had one on campus for a multi-day visit with a huge NIL bag at our disposal. Why wouldn’t we be able to land him? Saying he’s asking for too much money seems like a pretty poor excuse when for a year we’ve been told we have huge NIL resources. A few things: 1. There are multiple reports Georgetown is willing to spend big on NIL, but none of us know how much. Nor do we know if it is tied to specific players or if there is a "bank" of sorts for Cooley and the university to use any way they wish. Very few donors just splash money around without wanting to have influence or say in how it is used. 2. There are reports that we are the highest NIL bid Omoruyi has, but he wants more. Omoruyi is a very good player who would greatly help our team, but he also isn't the level of Hunter Dickenson, for example. Point being--can we "overpay" for guys to compensate for our recent poor history? Yes. But only so much. Would Cliff Omoruyi come if we threw $2 million at him? Maybe. But that would be silly because he's not worth that much and he has only one year left. This is so key. Let’s not overpay someone just for the satisfaction of checking off a box, especially if the player is not worth such a financial commitment.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 24, 2024 12:52:22 GMT -5
A few things: 1. There are multiple reports Georgetown is willing to spend big on NIL, but none of us know how much. Nor do we know if it is tied to specific players or if there is a "bank" of sorts for Cooley and the university to use any way they wish. Very few donors just splash money around without wanting to have influence or say in how it is used. 2. There are reports that we are the highest NIL bid Omoruyi has, but he wants more. Omoruyi is a very good player who would greatly help our team, but he also isn't the level of Hunter Dickenson, for example. Point being--can we "overpay" for guys to compensate for our recent poor history? Yes. But only so much. Would Cliff Omoruyi come if we threw $2 million at him? Maybe. But that would be silly because he's not worth that much and he has only one year left. This is so key. Let’s not overpay someone just for the satisfaction of checking off a box, especially if the player is not worth such a financial commitment. And guaranteed, if Cooley and the administration threw money around and overpaid players who turned out not to be worth the money we paid them (NIL is not public but if we drastically overpaid someone it would get out), the same poster would criticize Cooley and company for horrible decision-making and recruiting, while simultaneously pointing out Cooley's salary and that he has only been to one Sweet 16. It is set up as a no-win situation.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Apr 24, 2024 13:21:02 GMT -5
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Post by thedragon on Apr 24, 2024 13:28:33 GMT -5
Writing has been on the wall for a while. Sorber and Fielder are going to get minutes and they're desperately searching for a starting C. Wish Cook well.
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Post by conshyhoya on Apr 24, 2024 13:29:13 GMT -5
That isn't surprising. I don't see how he was getting anything but a handful of minutes next year and I wouldn't want to spend my final year on a team I was only on for year and not play.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 24, 2024 13:29:22 GMT -5
This is glass half full news everyone----defensive big incoming.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 24, 2024 13:35:04 GMT -5
Love the guy! Gave it his all every night and every day he stepped out onto the court! I guess sometimes our best is just not good enough. Wish the young man all the best!
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 24, 2024 13:38:32 GMT -5
This portal business—and NIL—has turned college sports into the absolute Wild West! This is shocking! And it is crazy!
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 24, 2024 13:40:08 GMT -5
Wonder what was in play with the timing here. Did he want to stay if we didn't land another big? Or did he see the demand for bigs elsewhere and thought he could fetch more $ elsewhere?
Can never know his effort, as someone who goes back to following him from his Fairfield days. I wish him well and hope he lands in a spot where his talents can be best used. I hope for the Hoyas' sake that a replacement is en route and/or the staff wasn't taken off guard by this.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 24, 2024 13:43:54 GMT -5
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 24, 2024 14:04:23 GMT -5
Can't say that I love this. Cook had his warts, but he worked his @ss off every game, with basically no one to back him up. I gotta assume that the staff has told him that his role would be greatly diminished next season--and I guess that this is the right move for everyone. But I had really hoped that the days of yearly complete roster overhauls were done--yes some players would go in and out, but Cooley would bring stability. Maybe that will still happen starting with this freshmen class, but then again maybe roster stability is impossible in the NIL and free transfers era. Sigh.
Some good news about bigs transferring in would soften the blow.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 24, 2024 14:08:49 GMT -5
Wonder what was in play with the timing here. Did he want to stay if we didn't land another big? Or did he see the demand for bigs elsewhere and thought he could fetch more $ elsewhere? Can never know his effort, as someone who goes back to following him from his Fairfield days. I wish him well and hope he lands in a spot where his talents can be best used. I hope for the Hoyas' sake that a replacement is en route and/or the staff wasn't taken off guard by this. He wanted to stay IF he wasn't recruited over. He obviously was. Just the era we now are in.
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