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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2024 10:17:44 GMT -5
Disappointed by the news on Rowan Brumbaugh. I'd hoped the revolving door to which we became accustomed under the prior coaching staff would change. I must be naive. What was the damn point if you were going to lose a guy like Rowan this year?!? Why did I sit through that? Cook/Mutombo I get. Guys who are seasoned and probably capped out I get. But Rowan is on the upswing. I'm like others that if the sport keeps trending this way (and Georgetown in particular), then I'll still tune it but I don't think I can keep buying season tickets. I'm cheering for the Georgetown brand, not the player who pops in for a year and then leaves. If this is a one off, so be it. If this continues the trend from prior years, I'll go cheer on real pros without the veil of education. This. There is no argument now for those that defended the team’s performance on the court this season as building toward something. That debate is closed. We’ve lost 2 players and seem guaranteed to lose at least 2 more. We need to hire a new assistant coach. How did we manage to hire the second coming of Coach Patrick Ewing?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 20, 2024 10:21:22 GMT -5
What was the damn point if you were going to lose a guy like Rowan this year?!? Why did I sit through that? Cook/Mutombo I get. Guys who are seasoned and probably capped out I get. But Rowan is on the upswing. I'm like others that if the sport keeps trending this way (and Georgetown in particular), then I'll still tune it but I don't think I can keep buying season tickets. I'm cheering for the Georgetown brand, not the player who pops in for a year and then leaves. If this is a one off, so be it. If this continues the trend from prior years, I'll go cheer on real pros without the veil of education. This. There is no argument now for those that defended the team’s performance on the court this season as building toward something. That debate is closed. We’ve lost 2 players and seem guaranteed to lose at least 2 more. We need to hire a new assistant coach. How did we manage to hire the second coming of Coach Patrick Ewing? I agree this year was a mess, and not much of an improvement on Ewing. Given Cooley's past record, it is highly unlikely that he will turn out to be the second coming of Coach Patrick Ewing unless he's lost all coaching and recruiting ability since leaving Providence. And if he has, that would make me wonder if Georgetown is the problem.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2024 10:22:17 GMT -5
This is going to be a rebuild through HS recruiting. Constant recycling of transfer portal players can't be the answer. Respectfully disagree - high school recruits aren't just going to sit around and wait their turn when they can get playing time and NIL money elsewhere. College basketball is now free agency every year and you either are part of a team's plans or you aren't. I would be willing to bet big money that at least 2 of next year's 4 incoming freshmen will not play their entire college careers at Georgetown. In fact, I can confidently tell you which 2 will not make it through 4 years at Georgetown, but then I'd probably get accused of violating board rules, so I won't. For the record, I think this model is a shame and the powers that be that let it get to this place should be ashamed of themselves. Their lack of proactivity and leadership has come home to roost.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2024 10:24:38 GMT -5
Just so you know Trilly just said some more people are leaving. Seeing as though Epps and Fielder were the only ones to post NIL stuff. That should tell you something Keeping Epps and jettisoning Rowan tells you a lot about Cooley's evaluation skills.
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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2024 10:25:06 GMT -5
Here’s the more troubling thing - if we assume that Cooley also really wants to bring back Fielder, and it’s true that we have this vaunted gigantic NIL piggy bank at his disposal, then you just make the kid an offer he can’t refuse. If he liked the school at all, he’d probably stay over similar offers. Pay the main, Shirley.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2024 10:25:27 GMT -5
This is going to be a rebuild through HS recruiting. Constant recycling of transfer portal players can't be the answer. 85-90% of college players will never make money playing ball after college. So they need to make all they can during their 4 years. Coaches will never be able to count on having a kid for more than a year at the time, so unless you can get big time freshman contributors, or have enough $$ to outbid other schools for your own players, you can't count on high school recruiting as your business model. I doubt that 85%-90% number is accurate for Power 6 conference players. Can't lump all D-1 players into the same bucket.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 20, 2024 10:26:32 GMT -5
So the season was a complete waste on a development front, while also squandering any positive momentum from hiring a new coach. Awesome. Lmao. Rowan was not a high major PG. If that wasn't obvious I don't know what to tell you. Here we go with the excuses !
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Post by thedragon on Mar 20, 2024 10:27:42 GMT -5
Lmao. Rowan was not a high major PG. If that wasn't obvious I don't know what to tell you. Here we go with the excuses ! Excuse? Not following. I've said on here for days I'd expect Rowan to leave and it made sense. We're recruiting over him. Now if Fielder leaves I will be very disappointed and think it would be a huge miss by the staff.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 20, 2024 10:28:50 GMT -5
Serious question, not related to the current discussion: how many more rebuilds and more empty seats will it take before Georgetown University says "enough"?
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 20, 2024 10:28:55 GMT -5
This. There is no argument now for those that defended the team’s performance on the court this season as building toward something. That debate is closed. We’ve lost 2 players and seem guaranteed to lose at least 2 more. We need to hire a new assistant coach. How did we manage to hire the second coming of Coach Patrick Ewing? I agree this year was a mess, and not much of an improvement on Ewing. Given Cooley's past record, it is highly unlikely that he will turn out to be the second coming of Coach Patrick Ewing unless he's lost all coaching and recruiting ability since leaving Providence. And if he has, that would make me wonder if Georgetown is the problem. If Cooley isn't going to be able to retain players then his experience at PC building that program will be pretty mute. He had success at PC thru player continuity, not constant change.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2024 10:30:47 GMT -5
This. There is no argument now for those that defended the team’s performance on the court this season as building toward something. That debate is closed. We’ve lost 2 players and seem guaranteed to lose at least 2 more. We need to hire a new assistant coach. How did we manage to hire the second coming of Coach Patrick Ewing? I agree this year was a mess, and not much of an improvement on Ewing. Given Cooley's past record, it is highly unlikely that he will turn out to be the second coming of Coach Patrick Ewing unless he's lost all coaching and recruiting ability since leaving Providence. And if he has, that would make me wonder if Georgetown is the problem. As has been stated many times, Cooley is vastly overrated by the Georgetown fan base. He has a losing Big East record when he's not coaching Providence vs. Georgetown. We could've given Dan Hurley a try - instead we went with Ewing. You think Dan Hurley would be failing at Georgetown? It's not a Georgetown problem. It's a Georgetown leadership and Georgetown decision making problem.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 20, 2024 10:33:37 GMT -5
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 20, 2024 10:39:28 GMT -5
Disappointed by the news on Rowan Brumbaugh. I'd hoped the revolving door to which we became accustomed under the prior coaching staff would change. I must be naive. Other than better post-loss press conferences and sound bites, hard to see that anything has changed from the prior staff. hm Well, one staff had several years and the other has had one year in the wake of the previous disaster.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 20, 2024 10:41:24 GMT -5
Serious question, not related to the current discussion: how many more rebuilds and more empty seats will it take before Georgetown University says "enough"? And how do they say “enough”?
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 20, 2024 10:43:01 GMT -5
It used to be that guys would transfer for the following reasons: get more playing time, get more exposure by playing in a bigger conference, maybe specifically to programs where they could develop their game... all for the purpose of getting a sniff at the league or at worst, a career overseas where they could earn a decent paycheck for a few years before returning state-side.
Now with NIL probably in many instances dwarfing what an overseas contract or even free agent NBA deal looks like, what incentive do a lot of players have to care about getting better? Just milk the "marketing" angle for as long as possible until the well dries up and then go on with the rest of your life.
The well is going to dry up for almost everyone sooner rather than later. If significant progress isn't rapidly made on a number of fronts both at the program and administrative levels, that will include Georgetown.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2024 10:45:58 GMT -5
Serious question, not related to the current discussion: how many more rebuilds and more empty seats will it take before Georgetown University says "enough"? I think it depends on how much revenue the program generates for the university. Is it a profit center? Does having a Big East basketball team (albeit a bad one) generate positive PR that allows the university to be in a better place than we would be without one? If we dropped the men's basketball program, what would happen to all of our other sports programs, many of which are highly successful?
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Post by thedragon on Mar 20, 2024 10:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2024 10:51:20 GMT -5
Serious question, not related to the current discussion: how many more rebuilds and more empty seats will it take before Georgetown University says "enough"? I think this scenario is closer than we think it could be.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2024 10:51:21 GMT -5
Great tweet by Rowan. Thank you for the work you put in during a tough year at Georgetown. You handled yourself well and personally, I think the coaching staff mishandled and misevaluated you compared to other backcourt members. Best wishes for future successes!
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Post by reformation on Mar 20, 2024 10:55:18 GMT -5
If we had gone with Hurley, we probably would have had another final four/title. Just as valid to say that landing JT2 and the associated title was a bit of a fluke also.
Not surprised RB is leaving--who would want to play second fiddle to Epps and whoever else is coming in. From a purely basketball perspective it's not in of itself a big deal: there is nobody on the current team that we really can't replace or really need to keep.
The bigger issue with the program is will we hold Cooley accountable (at least after next year if not dramatic turnaround) for the terrible performance or just blow another 10mm/yr overall on a program that currently adds little to the university. Also, the Univ board should hold JD accountable on the same timeframe as Cooley.
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