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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 24, 2024 23:19:04 GMT -5
My favorite part of the game was when the color guy compared Brumbaugh to Pete Maravich and later to Luka Doncic. This wasn't the first string by any measure, as they seemed more interested in talking Northwestern basketball than DePaul. Oddly, perhaps, a lot of these non-network games have local talent with ties to Big East programs as team announcers, former coaches, or just alumni, such as John Fanta (Seton Hall), Brandon Gaudin (Butler), Donnie Marshall (UConn), LaVall Jordan (Butler), Nick Bahe (Creighton), Sarah Kustok (DePaul), Steve Lappas (Villanova), Pete Gillen (Providence), among others. But no Georgetown announcers.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 24, 2024 23:28:51 GMT -5
FWIW that was a beautiful play that DePaul coach called at the end. Cooley gambled by not pressing the inbounds passer leaving him wide open to get the return pass and race diwncourtvwithbwhar should have been an easy layup. Kudos to Rowan for at least making it difficult.
BTW how many more consecutive BE games does DePaul have to lose to break our record of 24 in a row?
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 25, 2024 0:14:34 GMT -5
That was a must win game for DePaul. Glad we came out on top.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 25, 2024 0:23:19 GMT -5
Stop passing the ball to Cook- let him hit he boards He’s too small to hit the boards against major competition. Need to let him go to work and hopefully the weak side hits the boards. He is actually one of the top offensive rebounders in the country.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 25, 2024 0:49:37 GMT -5
Anybody still got qualms over getting a Center in the portal and giving Cook 16-18 mins a game? He got worked by Nelson. Yeah this argument blew my mind when I read it the other day. He is not a starter on any winning P6 program, nothing against him, he just cannot compete with the top half guys. He's done better in some ways than expected but he would be crazy to transfer again thinking he will start in a major conference
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Post by dense on Feb 25, 2024 4:20:45 GMT -5
Epps much more efficient off the ball was the main take away tonight besides Cook is a terrible defender. Rowan is a serviceable PG now at this level but should be a back-up on a good team.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Feb 25, 2024 7:33:39 GMT -5
Wow I remember we used to big Man "U" and we have three in the Hall (Patrick, Mutombo, Mourning). Not to mention Hibbert and Monroe. Now it seems no bigs want to come. Sad state.
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Post by daveg023 on Feb 25, 2024 7:48:05 GMT -5
FWIW that was a beautiful play that DePaul coach called at the end. Cooley gambled by not pressing the inbounds passer leaving him wide open to get the return pass and race diwncourtvwithbwhar should have been an easy layup. Kudos to Rowan for at least making it difficult. BTW how many more consecutive BE games does DePaul have to lose to break our record of 24 in a row? DePaul has only lost 17 in a row if count all BE games, as they won the first round game at the BET last year vs Seton Hall. So assuming they lose out, they'd have to drop the first 5 next year. As far as BE regular season only, they have lost 28 straight.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 25, 2024 7:52:09 GMT -5
That was a must win game for DePaul. Glad we came out on top. The same can be said about us - it was a must win game for the Hoyas
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 25, 2024 8:01:59 GMT -5
That was a must win game for DePaul. Glad we came out on top. The same can be said about us - it was a must win game for the Hoyas DePaul had zero wins coming into this game. They were playing on their home court. New coach. I think they really wanted this one. The real point, though, was that it made this game competitive and more entertaining!
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 25, 2024 8:06:38 GMT -5
No positives. Lost a 13 point lead at halftime and gave up three open layups in the final 1:37. Seven of DePaul's last nine attempts were layups or within five feet. No fear. The positive is that we won when we easily could have lost. Cook is just a disaster on defense. I do not see how a Georgetown team with him logging big minutes at the 5 will be good defensively. His time needs to be limited next year. As far as Massoud, he’s a disaster. I don’t understand why he’s playing anything more than spot minutes. Yes, I am very disappointed in Massoud. Not a reliable three point shot. He seems to be regressing rather than progressing. Seems like he has lost his confidence.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 25, 2024 8:33:03 GMT -5
It's almost always better to win than lose. Especially when you hardly ever win.
We are extremely limited defensively. Styles, Brumbaugh, and Bristol seem to be competent individual defenders and understanding of the team principles. But when any of them are out of the game, we struggle mightily. We struggle with them in the game too because Cook is so poor at team defense (except the PNR hedge and recover, which he is actually quite good at) and Epps is inconsistent. But with any of Massoud, Fielder, or Heath in there, it's a defensive disaster.
You get a five that is a competent defender (which can happen any number of ways...it could be Sorber (though unlikely off the bat)...could be Fielder dramatically improves...could be a transfer), and things change drastically.
Overall, I think Cook and Brumbaugh have proven themselves to be potentially winning players on a good team in reduced roles. Rowan is way more competent and confident offensively now than he was when BE play began. He can already defend. That's a great sign for the future. Maybe he continues to develop and can be a key cog. But at minimum he can be a 15-20 mpg guy spelling both guards. Cook is limited. But he would be a perfectly good backup five on a good team. Those are both valuable pieces.
Fielder right now would be a good backup four on a good team. Can he bulk up into a five? Can he improve quickness and be a four? Don't know. He's got the most upside of this group given his shooting abilities.
The trick with Epps is that he's undersized so ideally you would play him alongside a bigger defense-first pass-first guard. Again, Brumbaugh could be that guy in theory though I doubt it. Can we find someone that fits that mold? May not be (in fact maybe can't be) a star.
The most important thing is that I don't think anything I've written is particular profound. We've clearly identified the guys that have future value and our needs (either internal or external). Don't underestimate that. It's not always that obvious.
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Post by thedragon on Feb 25, 2024 8:39:53 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Feb 25, 2024 9:37:05 GMT -5
The trick with Epps is that he's undersized so ideally you would play him alongside a bigger defense-first pass-first guard. Again, Brumbaugh could be that guy in theory though I doubt it. Can we find someone that fits that mold? May not be (in fact maybe can't be) a star. At 6’2”, Epps is not short for his position. Previously , I listed 4 recent BE POY with his same height or shorter. He’s just a lazy defender. No need to excuse it.
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Post by bills on Feb 25, 2024 9:40:29 GMT -5
We have one of the top centers in the country coming in next year. There is plenty to be concerned about but this isn’t one of them. Dikembe was on no one’s rankings when he came in.
Another widely accepted “truism” on this board is freshmen cannot make meaningful contributions in Big East play. If we want to be a school that top recruits have no interest in then we should go bring in starters at Center, PG, and SG from the Portal. It will also guarantee significant roster turnover every year and lock us into the competing with DePaul for worst in the Big East.
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Post by dense on Feb 25, 2024 9:48:15 GMT -5
The trick with Epps is that he's undersized so ideally you would play him alongside a bigger defense-first pass-first guard. Again, Brumbaugh could be that guy in theory though I doubt it. Can we find someone that fits that mold? May not be (in fact maybe can't be) a star. At 6’2”, Epps is not short for his position. Previously , I listed 4 recent BE POY with his same height or shorter. He’s just a lazy defender. No need to excuse it. Agreed because when he tries he is really good especially on ball.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 25, 2024 9:49:24 GMT -5
We have one of the top centers in the country coming in next year. There is plenty to be concerned about but this isn’t one of them. Dikembe was on no one’s rankings when he came in. Another widely accepted “truism” on this board is freshmen cannot make meaningful contributions in Big East play. If we want to be a school that top recruits have no interest in then we should go bring in starters at Center, PG, and SG from the Portal. It will also guarantee significant roster turnover every year and lock us into the competing with DePaul for worst in the Big East. Sorber would be the best overall big on this team right now.
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 25, 2024 10:01:59 GMT -5
My favorite part of the game was when the color guy compared Brumbaugh to Pete Maravich and later to Luka Doncic. This wasn't the first string by any measure, as they seemed more interested in talking Northwestern basketball than DePaul. Oddly, perhaps, a lot of these non-network games have local talent with ties to Big East programs as team announcers, former coaches, or just alumni, such as John Fanta (Seton Hall), Brandon Gaudin (Butler), Donnie Marshall (UConn), LaVall Jordan (Butler), Nick Bahe (Creighton), Sarah Kustok (DePaul), Steve Lappas (Villanova), Pete Gillen (Providence), among others. But no Georgetown announcers. Comparing Rowan to Pistol Pete Maravich is a sacrilege.
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 25, 2024 10:03:50 GMT -5
Leaving the inbounds passer uncovered in that end-of-game situation is INSANE, especially when the matador defense of our team is so rampant, and leads to things like happened yesterday (inbounder easily finds a cutter to pass to/gets the ball back and with a head of steam quickly gets down court for a good look). Or the slightly more memorable situation, a long pass downcourt for a good look (e.g. Hill to Laetner in '92 for the game winner over KY in the Elite 8). I guess the idea is that 5 vs, 4 you can cover the other 4 players more effectively, but frankly I'm not sure with 10 guys we could cover well enough to make up for the ease of the inbounding....
And in case anyone else was wondering (as I was down the stretch), the tiebreaker between us and Depaul for seeding in in the BET had we lost and both ended the season with one win was going to be a coin flip, as other tie-breakers (head-to-head, then record against top teams in standings until tie broken) wouldn't have broken the tie. A coin flip between Hoyas and Depaul -- would've been apt.
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 25, 2024 10:05:16 GMT -5
FWIW that was a beautiful play that DePaul coach called at the end. Cooley gambled by not pressing the inbounds passer leaving him wide open to get the return pass and race diwncourtvwithbwhar should have been an easy layup. Kudos to Rowan for at least making it difficult. BTW how many more consecutive BE games does DePaul have to lose to break our record of 24 in a row? I agree re kudos to Rowan - at least he was trying hard to play defense.
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