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Post by jwp91 on Feb 25, 2024 10:05:50 GMT -5
The positive is that we won when we easily could have lost. Cook is just a disaster on defense. I do not see how a Georgetown team with him logging big minutes at the 5 will be good defensively. His time needs to be limited next year. As far as Massoud, he’s a disaster. I don’t understand why he’s playing anything more than spot minutes. Yes, I am very disappointed in Massoud. Not a reliable three point shot. He seems to be regressing rather than progressing. Seems like he has lost his confidence. Has he made a recent shot inside the 3 point land. Whatever you do Ish, don’t dribble into a shot. |
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 25, 2024 10:09:03 GMT -5
Confirmation of our earlier comments Cook has not hands. How many balls were dropped in his hands One three from Heath does not justify play. Ish is clueless. Continued lack of defense against the drive to the basket. Does Cook think someone will appear to block the path the rim. I cannot believe the Coaching staff has not pointed this out Absolutely, especially "continued lack of defense against the drive to the basket."
Looks like the NBA All Star game defense.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 25, 2024 10:10:16 GMT -5
The trick with Epps is that he's undersized so ideally you would play him alongside a bigger defense-first pass-first guard. Well said, the #1 NIL priority should be a bigger, defense-first, pass-first PG. Who is that? I don’t think it is Mintz or Dug. |
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 25, 2024 10:11:52 GMT -5
Positives to this game? Brumbaugh getting experience, Epps shooting touch back? No positives. Lost a 13 point lead at halftime and gave up three open layups in the final 1:37. Seven of DePaul's last nine attempts were layups or within five feet. No fear. We are a couple of shots from being winless in the conference and likely going 0-20. |
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 25, 2024 10:21:53 GMT -5
We have one of the top centers in the country coming in next year. There is plenty to be concerned about but this isn’t one of them. Dikembe was on no one’s rankings when he came in. Another widely accepted “truism” on this board is freshmen cannot make meaningful contributions in Big East play. If we want to be a school that top recruits have no interest in then we should go bring in starters at Center, PG, and SG from the Portal. It will also guarantee significant roster turnover every year and lock us into the competing with DePaul for worst in the Big East. Is Sorber tall enough at a listed 6'9"? |
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Post by TC on Feb 25, 2024 10:38:21 GMT -5
We have one of the top centers in the country coming in next year. There is plenty to be concerned about but this isn’t one of them. Dikembe was on no one’s rankings when he came in. Another widely accepted “truism” on this board is freshmen cannot make meaningful contributions in Big East play. If we want to be a school that top recruits have no interest in then we should go bring in starters at Center, PG, and SG from the Portal. It will also guarantee significant roster turnover every year and lock us into the competing with DePaul for worst in the Big East. Is Sorber tall enough at a listed 6'9"? Absolutely - he was tied for fourth in blocks in EYBL play and seventh in rebounding. In Peach Jam stats, he was third in blocks, 11th in rebounding. Those stats are generally predictive due to the ridiculously high level of competition. I'm not making a direct comparison here from Sorber to Mourning, but attacking the premise that height means destiny at the 5 - was Alonzo Mourning tall enough at a listed 6'10"? |
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 25, 2024 10:42:56 GMT -5
We have one of the top centers in the country coming in next year. There is plenty to be concerned about but this isn’t one of them. Dikembe was on no one’s rankings when he came in. Another widely accepted “truism” on this board is freshmen cannot make meaningful contributions in Big East play. If we want to be a school that top recruits have no interest in then we should go bring in starters at Center, PG, and SG from the Portal. It will also guarantee significant roster turnover every year and lock us into the competing with DePaul for worst in the Big East. Is Sorber tall enough at a listed 6'9"? FWIW, he is listed at 6' 10" by On3. Plus, is he still growing at only 18 years old? Georgetown signee Thomas Sorber is a unique prospect, by today’s standards. He is a throwback of sorts, a low-block, back-to-the-basket big man with a true low-post game. With that, here at On3, we are higher than the industry on the 6-foot-10 center from Philadelphia (PA) Archbishop Ryan ranking him the No. 29 overall player in the updated 2024 On3 150. Sorber has long arms and huge hands, that help him play bigger than his listed 6-foot-10 height, but also keep handle of everything that is within his grasp. He is not only a good area rebounder, he is an instinctive defender, able to protect the paint and the rim. Defense is where some questions will arise with Thomas Sorber, mostly asking the question of how well he moves. He has established himself as an effective rim protector. A lot of that has to do with his size and long arms. But he understands positioning and has natural timing. Sorber averaged 1.96 blocks per game during his 23 Nike EYBL games. www.on3.com/college/georgetown-hoyas/news/why-on3-is-higher-than-the-industry-on-georgetown-signee-thomas-sorber/ |
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Post by hoyariv71 on Feb 25, 2024 10:53:26 GMT -5
Is Sorber tall enough at a listed 6'9"? FWIW, he is listed at 6' 10" by On3. Plus, is he still growing at only 18 years old? Georgetown signee Thomas Sorber is a unique prospect, by today’s standards. He is a throwback of sorts, a low-block, back-to-the-basket big man with a true low-post game. With that, here at On3, we are higher than the industry on the 6-foot-10 center from Philadelphia (PA) Archbishop Ryan ranking him the No. 29 overall player in the updated 2024 On3 150. Sorber has long arms and huge hands, that help him play bigger than his listed 6-foot-10 height, but also keep handle of everything that is within his grasp. He is not only a good area rebounder, he is an instinctive defender, able to protect the paint and the rim. Defense is where some questions will arise with Thomas Sorber, mostly asking the question of how well he moves. He has established himself as an effective rim protector. A lot of that has to do with his size and long arms. But he understands positioning and has natural timing. Sorber averaged 1.96 blocks per game during his 23 Nike EYBL games. www.on3.com/college/georgetown-hoyas/news/why-on3-is-higher-than-the-industry-on-georgetown-signee-thomas-sorber/ |
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Post by hoyariv71 on Feb 25, 2024 10:53:38 GMT -5
FWIW, he is listed at 6' 10" by On3. Plus, is he still growing at only 18 years old? Georgetown signee Thomas Sorber is a unique prospect, by today’s standards. He is a throwback of sorts, a low-block, back-to-the-basket big man with a true low-post game. With that, here at On3, we are higher than the industry on the 6-foot-10 center from Philadelphia (PA) Archbishop Ryan ranking him the No. 29 overall player in the updated 2024 On3 150. Sorber has long arms and huge hands, that help him play bigger than his listed 6-foot-10 height, but also keep handle of everything that is within his grasp. He is not only a good area rebounder, he is an instinctive defender, able to protect the paint and the rim. Defense is where some questions will arise with Thomas Sorber, mostly asking the question of how well he moves. He has established himself as an effective rim protector. A lot of that has to do with his size and long arms. But he understands positioning and has natural timing. Sorber averaged 1.96 blocks per game during his 23 Nike EYBL games. www.on3.com/college/georgetown-hoyas/news/why-on3-is-higher-than-the-industry-on-georgetown-signee-thomas-sorber/ |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 25, 2024 11:11:23 GMT -5
I guess it was a getting a victory from the jaws of defeat, while it could have been getting a loss out of the jaws of victory.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 25, 2024 11:49:32 GMT -5
The trick with Epps is that he's undersized so ideally you would play him alongside a bigger defense-first pass-first guard. Again, Brumbaugh could be that guy in theory though I doubt it. Can we find someone that fits that mold? May not be (in fact maybe can't be) a star. At 6’2”, Epps is not short for his position. Previously , I listed 4 recent BE POY with his same height or shorter. He’s just a lazy defender. No need to excuse it. I didn't say short. He's average height at the point. But he's small. He can got bodied and moved very easily. He's an OK on ball defender. Not great but not awful. He struggles with bigger guards and with anyone that is as quick or quicker. Comine those two? That's a lot of opposing guards! Like a lot of players, his instinct is to relax for an instant once his player doesn't have the ball and that instant makes him a poor team defender. You pair him with another guard that is short or small or even an average defender and things won't go well. |
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Post by Omega on Feb 25, 2024 11:49:39 GMT -5
No positives. Lost a 13 point lead at halftime and gave up three open layups in the final 1:37. Seven of DePaul's last nine attempts were layups or within five feet. No fear. We are a couple of shots from being winless in the conference and likely going 0-20. Curious take. We are also a couple of shots from having won more that 2 games in conference... |
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 25, 2024 12:00:31 GMT -5
I haven’t read through the full thread, but I watched most of the game. We played an awful second half, but we are too bad for me to complain about a win. Georgetown has to figure out what it’s like to win again, and that starts I guess with the smallest of steps. The next step is beating someone other than DePaul. We will be favored to lose all the remaining games on our schedule, but all the games we have are winnable games. I don’t expect a run, but an upset or two in these final weeks would at least create a small bit of momentum.
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 25, 2024 12:15:34 GMT -5
BTW how many more consecutive BE games does DePaul have to lose to break our record of 24 in a row? I believe the record is 28 regular season BE losses, shared by the Hoyas and the current/last season Depaul teams. So one more and Depaul stoops alone! |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 25, 2024 12:23:11 GMT -5
I would be curious what the respective +/- numbers were today for Cook/Ish/Fielder. I would be surprised if Fielder's number was not far better than the others. Massoud: On court: -8, off court: +9 Fielder: On: +2, Off: -1 Cook: On: +2, Off: -1 |
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Post by thedragon on Feb 25, 2024 12:42:36 GMT -5
I'm a bit of a broken record on this one - but what most folks seem to continue to ignore is that Fielder ONLY plays at the 5 position right now. So 9 out of 10 times it's Cook OR Fielder. Ish doesn't even come into the equation. Bristol/Styles and to a lesser extent Heath (with Rowan now playing more there have been a few 3 guard lineups). It helps mitigate Fielders inability to guard on the perimeter or have to switch onto more athletic wings. Thus why Ishs minutes went back up yesterday in direct correlation to Bristol and Styles being in foul trouble throughout.
Now, if one wanted to argue that the staff should play Fielder and Cook together - that's a different story - but the staff clearly believes that an already porous defense would be even worse. I'd be curious how many minutes Cook/Fielder have played together this entire season.
That's why a player like Sorber (and hopefully another 4/5 transfer) is so important. If Fielder can play the 5 defensively. And have a weakside shotblocker at the 4 that can at least hold his own on wing switches would be massive. And then inverse it on Offense with Fielder as a stretch 4 that's a secondary low post presence alongside Sorber/Transfer that can be a post presence. And to take it a step farther, imagine the high-low action you could run with 2 good offensive passing bigs that can also shoot a jumper.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 25, 2024 13:27:43 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 25, 2024 14:09:50 GMT -5
Now, if one wanted to argue that the staff should play Fielder and Cook together - that's a different story - but the staff clearly believes that an already porous defense would be even worse. I'd be curious how many minutes Cook/Fielder have played together this entire season.103 minutes total (36 in conference play). |
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 25, 2024 14:13:45 GMT -5
Now, if one wanted to argue that the staff should play Fielder and Cook together - that's a different story - but the staff clearly believes that an already porous defense would be even worse. I'd be curious how many minutes Cook/Fielder have played together this entire season.103 minutes total (36 in conference play). What's the plus/minus score? |
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Post by thedragon on Feb 25, 2024 14:14:31 GMT -5
Now, if one wanted to argue that the staff should play Fielder and Cook together - that's a different story - but the staff clearly believes that an already porous defense would be even worse. I'd be curious how many minutes Cook/Fielder have played together this entire season.103 minutes total (36 in conference play). What was their D-Rating? 36 minutes is obviously an already extremely low number. But I bet even those minutes were mostly in a couple games where we had injury (Massoud out with broken hand/multiple guys sick) or foul trouble and the staff had no choice. |
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