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Post by guru on Feb 13, 2024 20:44:34 GMT -5
Not directed at you, but getting so tired of hearing about this “core group” we have returning. This team is a disaster. Maybe we keep a few of the spare parts around, but to call it a returning core around which we can build is really stretching it - and ignoring what we’ve seen this season. We are essentially starting from scratch again. Why do you bemoan the lack of player stability by suggesting more player instability? Excuse me? Not sure what you’re reading. I wrote nothing close to bemoaning a lack of player stability. Bizarre. We need better players. Badly. |
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 13, 2024 21:06:33 GMT -5
Exactly to bring him in and in 1 year ship him out isn't gonna help you bring in anyone else. You are gonna have to make it work It's all about the Benjamins, baby...if we throw enough money at somebody, he's not going to care if Jayden Epps wasn't asked back after a mediocre first year at Georgetown. I'm not trying to minimize the importance of the portal but finding players who fit will be the key.. I don't believe Gtown can buy its way out of this mess, it has to be about players buying in & player development. |
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Feb 14, 2024 11:09:49 GMT -5
A guy from the earlier list I'd be happy to add is Amari Williams from Drexel. Big body, lefty. 3yr starter, 2x CAA Defensive Player of the Year. Played great in their win over Villanova in December.
Wouldn't demand a ton of minutes as a starter, but would be an huge upgrade at the most important defensive spot and a good complement in Sorber's year 1.
I still don't know how the frontcourt offense is gonna shake out (Will Cook play some 4? Could those two play together? Will we have xfers at both 4/5 starting spots? Will Sorber be ready for 20mpg, with the offensive game ready to go?), but imagining opposing teams try to deal with this kid + Cook on the glass is fun to think about.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 14, 2024 11:22:33 GMT -5
A guy from the earlier list I'd be happy to add is Amari Williams from Drexel. Big body, lefty. 3yr starter, 2x CAA Defensive Player of the Year. Played great in their win over Villanova in December. Wouldn't demand a ton of minutes as a starter, but would be an huge upgrade at the most important defensive spot and a good complement in Sorber's year 1. I still don't know how the frontcourt offense is gonna shake out (Will Cook play some 4? Could those two play together? Will we have xfers at both 4/5 starting spots? Will Sorber be ready for 20mpg, with the offensive game ready to go?), but imagining opposing teams try to deal with this kid + Cook on the glass is fun to think about. I feel better about Sorber's preparedness offensively than defensively. After an adjustment period, I think he will be productive offensively. It is harder for me to tell how prepared he really is for the Big East defensively. Most are unready....how unready is he? |
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Feb 14, 2024 12:18:33 GMT -5
With Holtmann getting the axe today, what exactly does this mean for OSU kids? The 30-day window part... They can talk to other schools (legally) during the last month of the year here? Trying to figure out the logic in that.
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Post by raleighfriar on Feb 14, 2024 12:39:18 GMT -5
Yup, it’s the Wild West now. Absolutely ridiculous. They’re not even pretending to consider them students anymore.
Ed recruited Zed Key & Felix Okpara at PC. Almost got Zed.
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Post by dense on Feb 14, 2024 22:42:00 GMT -5
Yup, it’s the Wild West now. Absolutely ridiculous. They’re not even pretending to consider them students anymore. Ed recruited Zed Key & Felix Okpara at PC. Almost got Zed. Good to know because I've been advocating to go after Okpara for a month. |
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Post by dense on Feb 14, 2024 22:44:19 GMT -5
A guy from the earlier list I'd be happy to add is Amari Williams from Drexel. Big body, lefty. 3yr starter, 2x CAA Defensive Player of the Year. Played great in their win over Villanova in December. Wouldn't demand a ton of minutes as a starter, but would be an huge upgrade at the most important defensive spot and a good complement in Sorber's year 1. I still don't know how the frontcourt offense is gonna shake out (Will Cook play some 4? Could those two play together? Will we have xfers at both 4/5 starting spots? Will Sorber be ready for 20mpg, with the offensive game ready to go?), but imagining opposing teams try to deal with this kid + Cook on the glass is fun to think about. I feel better about Sorber's preparedness offensively than defensively. After an adjustment period, I think he will be productive offensively. It is harder for me to tell how prepared he really is for the Big East defensively. Most are unready....how unready is he? Same. Offense I think he will be reasonably effective. Defensively I don't know. He blocks shots yes, but he goes after alot because of how his team plays. They basically funnel everything towards him and smarter players would be able to draw fouls on him easier because he goes for everything. |
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Post by bornhoya on Feb 15, 2024 7:59:08 GMT -5
Yup, it’s the Wild West now. Absolutely ridiculous. They’re not even pretending to consider them students anymore. Ed recruited Zed Key & Felix Okpara at PC. Almost got Zed. Good to know because I've been advocating to go after Okpara for a month. So we going Ewing style with 3 centers again? |
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Feb 15, 2024 8:58:39 GMT -5
Good to know because I've been advocating to go after Okpara for a month. So we going Ewing style with 3 centers again? Ok. What is your take on our center situation for next year? Throw in PF if you want. |
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Post by dense on Feb 15, 2024 9:09:57 GMT -5
Good to know because I've been advocating to go after Okpara for a month. So we going Ewing style with 3 centers again? Supreme Cook is not a center defensively. We need rim protection. He is actually a very poor defender. Sorber isn't a guy who is strictly a center on offense. Also Supreme Cook shouldn't be getting more than 15 minutes on a good team. Okpara is guy who what he lacks on offense, averages 2.7bpg in 21mpg. Just so know Cooley seems to think so too because I've heard rumors on 2 people already they've reached out too as a Center. |
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 15, 2024 9:21:28 GMT -5
So we going Ewing style with 3 centers again? Supreme Cook is not a center defensively. We need rim protection. He is actually a very poor defender. Sorber isn't a guy who is strictly a center on offense. Also Supreme Cook shouldn't be getting more than 15 minutes on a good team. Okpara is guy who what he lacks on offense, averages 2.7bpg in 21mpg. Just so know Cooley seems to think so too because I've heard rumors on 2 people already they've reached out too as a Center. But the key is can Sorber guard players like Ledlum or Dre Davis or Joplin or Telfort ect. ? Also, when has Cooleyb ever had a shot blocker at the 5? Cook is not high on the list of what's wrong on defense |
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 15, 2024 9:35:31 GMT -5
So we going Ewing style with 3 centers again? Supreme Cook is not a center defensively. We need rim protection. He is actually a very poor defender. Sorber isn't a guy who is strictly a center on offense. Also Supreme Cook shouldn't be getting more than 15 minutes on a good team. Okpara is guy who what he lacks on offense, averages 2.7bpg in 21mpg. Just so know Cooley seems to think so too because I've heard rumors on 2 people already they've reached out too as a Center. There are only 80 minutes available at the 4/5 positions. Cook and Sorber should get at least 50 of those, probably more. Unless you're ready to give up on Fielder or pencil him in for 10 or fewer minutes, there do not appear to be enough minutes available to go out and spend significantly on a guy like Okpara. |
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Feb 15, 2024 10:24:52 GMT -5
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I would prefer to move on from Cook after this season. He seems like a great kid, and he plays hard, but I actually think he is at the top of the list of what is wrong on defense. Our guards are obviously weak on the perimeter, but the complete and total lack of rim protection means that other teams can fearlessly run at the rim for layups without any reservations.
Cook is solid offensively against non-top centers, but I would prefer to rotate Sorber and a transfer center like Okpara or Wolf.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 15, 2024 14:17:08 GMT -5
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I would prefer to move on from Cook after this season. He seems like a great kid, and he plays hard, but I actually think he is at the top of the list of what is wrong on defense. Our guards are obviously weak on the perimeter, but the complete and total lack of rim protection means that other teams can fearlessly run at the rim for layups without any reservations. Cook is solid offensively against non-top centers, but I would prefer to rotate Sorber and a transfer center like Okpara or Wolf. Who's the rim protector on PC's 8th ranked defense? How about Nova's 23rd ranked team? TC has mentioned the similarities between Gtown & ND all season since they chose to go young in Shrewsberry's 1st season. Who's the rim protector on their 41st ranked defense? The historically bad defense that we're seeing falls squarely on the lap of the staff in my view mainly because the team doesn't play hard enough consistently. |
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2024 14:50:55 GMT -5
Rim protection does nothing if you give up 17 threes at a 47% rate and your guards/forwards can't pick up three point shooters in transition or close out on them one on one.
The one guy who does play hard consistently : Supreme Cook.
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Post by dense on Feb 15, 2024 15:12:01 GMT -5
Supreme Cook is not a center defensively. We need rim protection. He is actually a very poor defender. Sorber isn't a guy who is strictly a center on offense. Also Supreme Cook shouldn't be getting more than 15 minutes on a good team. Okpara is guy who what he lacks on offense, averages 2.7bpg in 21mpg. Just so know Cooley seems to think so too because I've heard rumors on 2 people already they've reached out too as a Center. There are only 80 minutes available at the 4/5 positions. Cook and Sorber should get at least 50 of those, probably more. Unless you're ready to give up on Fielder or pencil him in for 10 or fewer minutes, there do not appear to be enough minutes available to go out and spend significantly on a guy like Okpara. I'd rather pencil in Cook for less than 20 minutes or move on actually. |
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Post by dense on Feb 15, 2024 15:13:33 GMT -5
Rim protection does nothing if you give up 17 threes at a 47% rate and your guards/forwards can't pick up three point shooters in transition or close out on them one on one. The one guy who does play hard consistently : Supreme Cook. Actually rim protection makes it so you can. When a man gets beat people can still hug up on the perimeter because he is there. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 15, 2024 15:18:34 GMT -5
There are only 80 minutes available at the 4/5 positions. Cook and Sorber should get at least 50 of those, probably more. Unless you're ready to give up on Fielder or pencil him in for 10 or fewer minutes, there do not appear to be enough minutes available to go out and spend significantly on a guy like Okpara. I'd rather pencil in Cook for less than 20 minutes or move on actually. Why would Cook sign up for that? He’s arguably our best player, easily our most consistent. NIL is a two-way street. I highly doubt Cook will want to return if his role is reduced. |
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 15, 2024 15:20:22 GMT -5
Cooley isn't looking to lose Cook. He's looking to add high motor guys next to him--including at C/PF. The mix this year hasn't worked, and because there is essentially no bench, he has had to roll with what's there. If the defense isn't substantially better next year, I'll be concerned. But its also clear that Cooley has identified the problem from a personnel standpoint and intends to address it. Cooley's teams have always been known for toughness in the past (Exhibit 1--Devin Carter). They will be again.
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