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Post by thedragon on Feb 12, 2024 12:17:10 GMT -5
I figured since we're under 10 games left in season and the offseason is sadly more exciting to look forward to than the conclusion of this season, that we could look at potential Portal fits (before knowing who's even in the portal - although essentially everyone is if the 2 time transfer rule is waived).
As I've said elsewhere I think PG, PF and C should be the 3 transfer roles (IF noone from the Epps, Brumbaugh, Styles, Fielder group leaves).
I should note that nearly every one of the players below is on Trilly Donovans discord channel (subscription) as sourced by him as likely to portal.
PG: Dug McDaniel (DMV kid at Michigan). Malik Mack (DMV kid at Harvard). Brycen Goodine (more of a combo at Fairfield - former Providence player). Erik Reynolds (DMV kid at St Joes).
PF: Hopkins (PC). TJ Power (Duke - recruited by PC from Mass.)
C: Ugonna Onyenso (at UK, recruited by PC previously). Danny Wolf (Yale - Rowans former teammate)
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Post by jpj on Feb 12, 2024 13:06:03 GMT -5
AND enough NIL money to bring one player at each position to Georgetown
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 12, 2024 13:43:25 GMT -5
I figured since we're under 10 games left in season and the offseason is sadly more exciting to look forward to than the conclusion of this season, that we could look at potential Portal fits (before knowing who's even in the portal - although essentially everyone is if the 2 time transfer rule is waived). As I've said elsewhere I think PG, PF and C should be the 3 transfer roles (IF noone from the Epps, Brumbaugh, Styles, Fielder group leaves). I should note that nearly every one of the players below is on Trilly Donovans discord channel (subscription) as sourced by him as likely to portal. PG: Dug McDaniel (DMV kid at Michigan). Malik Mack (DMV kid at Harvard). Brycen Goodine (more of a combo at Fairfield - former Providence player). Erik Reynolds (DMV kid at St Joes). PF: Hopkins (PC). TJ Power (Duke - recruited by PC from Mass.) C: Ugonna Onyenso (at UK, recruited by PC previously). Danny Wolf (Yale - Rowans former teammate) Re: McDaniel, rumor was that his suspension was academic-related. Not sure if we still have academic standards for our players, but would think that a guy that couldn't hack it academically at Michigan would have a difficult time at Georgetown. Additionally, not a huge fan of somebody who puts this kind of language into his public social media:
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2024 14:19:26 GMT -5
I figured since we're under 10 games left in season and the offseason is sadly more exciting to look forward to than the conclusion of this season, that we could look at potential Portal fits (before knowing who's even in the portal - although essentially everyone is if the 2 time transfer rule is waived). As I've said elsewhere I think PG, PF and C should be the 3 transfer roles (IF noone from the Epps, Brumbaugh, Styles, Fielder group leaves). I should note that nearly every one of the players below is on Trilly Donovans discord channel (subscription) as sourced by him as likely to portal. PG: Dug McDaniel (DMV kid at Michigan). Malik Mack (DMV kid at Harvard). Brycen Goodine (more of a combo at Fairfield - former Providence player). Erik Reynolds (DMV kid at St Joes). PF: Hopkins (PC). TJ Power (Duke - recruited by PC from Mass.) C: Ugonna Onyenso (at UK, recruited by PC previously). Danny Wolf (Yale - Rowans former teammate) Re: McDaniel, rumor was that his suspension was academic-related. Not sure if we still have academic standards for our players, but would think that a guy that couldn't hack it academically at Michigan would have a difficult time at Georgetown. Additionally, not a huge fan of somebody who puts this kind of language into his public social media: Pass.
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 12, 2024 16:16:32 GMT -5
I figured since we're under 10 games left in season and the offseason is sadly more exciting to look forward to than the conclusion of this season, that we could look at potential Portal fits (before knowing who's even in the portal - although essentially everyone is if the 2 time transfer rule is waived). As I've said elsewhere I think PG, PF and C should be the 3 transfer roles (IF noone from the Epps, Brumbaugh, Styles, Fielder group leaves). I should note that nearly every one of the players below is on Trilly Donovans discord channel (subscription) as sourced by him as likely to portal. PG: Dug McDaniel (DMV kid at Michigan). Malik Mack (DMV kid at Harvard). Brycen Goodine (more of a combo at Fairfield - former Providence player). Erik Reynolds (DMV kid at St Joes). PF: Hopkins (PC). TJ Power (Duke - recruited by PC from Mass.) C: Ugonna Onyenso (at UK, recruited by PC previously). Danny Wolf (Yale - Rowans former teammate) I think the PG discussion is interesting. I get it, Epps is certainly more of a scorer than traditional PG and would benefit from being able to play more off the ball. But pairing him with like a McDaniel is just a non-starter for me. We just can't play a backcourt that small together, at some point as a program we have to pretend to care about defense. It gives me way too strong of a Mackinjo vibe. So for me the ideal backcourt pair is a bigger sized PG who can handle guarding SG a little better but is a willing distributor...which is also what I think Brumbaugh should be as he improves? But you also can't go into next year hoping he develops into BE level starter. So that's the archetype but more experience.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 12, 2024 16:29:57 GMT -5
A one year big, a 2 year PF and a 1/2 year 1 to 2. So I'll go Mack, Hopkins, Onyenso, Power.
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Post by dense on Feb 12, 2024 20:06:36 GMT -5
I don't think Mack and McDaniel fit well for defensive reasons. Also they are multi-year players which make our backcourt static for a long time as a small backcourt. Reynolds is a senior next year and though he will cost alot is a nba level player and can play on or off ball.
I've seen several people saying that Hopkins is going to leave. I don't know anything about that to be true. I do know that in his games this season his numbers were way down playing in English's system.
TJ Power I see as the backup option to Hopkins. Both are 3/4s that if they both were here would mean zero playing time to McKenna or Fielder. So I think you can only take 1. Power is more exclusively a perimeter player which would work well with Sorber. Also I don't want to put that much of the low scoring burden on Sorber immediately so maybe Power isn't an option.
Oneyso of UK. Is the type of player we need in the portal. I suggested Okpara of Ohio St if Holtzman gets fired. We definitely need that type of player even if it's the expense of Cook staying. Both of them have 2 years left. Which is in the sweet spot of what we need. Wolf will have a bag thrown at him by Uconn.
Another name I don't know if Trilly Donavan has mentioned by Myles Rice of Washington St. Since the Pac-12 is imploding and basically is going to become part of the Mountain West. Plus he is from Georgia, maybe he would like for his parents to actually be able to see his games at a decent hour. He fits the tall enough that we don't have 2 midgets guards at 6'3 and has 3 years left which isn't ideal. But he is much older because he has been in college for 3 years. Don't know if he would leave Wazzu because of his circumstances with the overcoming cancer and how they supported him though.
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Post by thedragon on Feb 12, 2024 23:38:21 GMT -5
"Another name I don't know if Trilly Donavan has mentioned by Myles Rice of Washington St."
Not on the current list but it updates almost daily.
Brandon Gardner (USC) Dylan Cardwell (Auburn) KD Johnson (Auburn) Devin Askew (Cal) Pop Isaacs (Texas Tech) Kerwin Walton (Texas Tech) Chris Lockett (Boise State) Jaden Schutt (Duke) Matt Cross (UMass) Jordan Pope (Oregon State) Danny Wolf (Yale) TJ Power (Duke) Zeke Mayo (South Dakota State) Terrence Edwards (James Madison) Michael Eley (Siena) Wade Taylor IV (Texas A&M) Nolan Hickman (Gonzaga) Zhuric Phelps (SMU) Langston Love (Baylor) Chris Johnson (Texas) Baye Fall (Arkansas) Lee Dort (Vandy) Trazerian White (UNC Wilmington) Terrance Arceneaux (Houston) Connor Essegian (Wisconsin) Rubin Jones (North Texas) Chaunce Jenkins (Old Dominion) Brandon Huntley-Hatfield (Louisville) Donovan Dent (New Mexico) Dug McDaniel (Michigan) Ezra Ausar (East Carolina) Achor Achor (Samford) CJ Gunn (Indiana) Tarris Reed (Michigan) Judah Mintz (Syracuse) Erik Reynolds (St. Joe’s) Khalil Brantley (La Salle) Brandon Angel (Stanford) Vasean Allete (Old Dominion) Riley Kugel (Florida) JaKobe Coles (TCU) Alston Mason (Missouri State) Xavier Booker (Michigan State) Ugonna Onyenso (Kentucky) Amari Williams (Drexel) Jonathan Mogbo (San Francisco) Will Tschetter (Michigan) Jalen Blackmon (Stetson) Jonathan Beagle (Albany) Layden Blocker (Arkansas) AJ Hoggard (Michigan State)
Hopkins was on the list but Trilly took him off after he got injured and said too many unknowns following injury.
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Post by dense on Feb 13, 2024 6:31:47 GMT -5
Shocked to see Mintz on it. Great player would fit a need but too worried he would go hero ball mode. If we had Hopkins too, then yes I'm for it. Really would love to see Reynolds here though. We need that kind of shooting.
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Post by raleighfriar on Feb 13, 2024 9:51:02 GMT -5
The Hoyas will have the best luck with either McDaniel, Mintz or Hoggard.
As I stated before, Hopkins was a potential to transfer out pre-injury, but the school we were clocking was not Georgetown. It was the usual suspect for PC tampering from my understanding. I’ve heard that Ugonna’s circle is frustrated with how little Ed paid attention to him / recruited him, but can’t say whether or not that’s fact. He will likely get top dollar wherever he goes though, so unless GTown has a significant war chest, it will likely be him and not much else coming in in that situation
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 13, 2024 10:06:45 GMT -5
Too early for me to have strong feelings on specific players yet, though I wholeheartedly agree that the importance of this transfer class cannot be overstated. Make or break.
I hate to seem like the guy who is overly negative on the current players. But there seems to be a lot of sentiment in the previous posts along the lines of "We can't take McDaniel, a McDaniel + Epps backcourt is too small" or "We can't take Mack, a Mack + Epps backcourt is too weak defensively" etc... And my thought on that is, are we sure we want to make Epps a centerpiece and build a team around him and all his strengths and weaknesses? He obviously has potential to go off for big scoring nights, which is seductive. But he's shooting 33.1% from the field in Big East play on a high volume of shots, he's not facilitator enough to play point guard and he's small to play shooting guard and not a great defender (like most everyone on this team). AND, he's probably expecting a lot in NIL. I'm not trying to bash him, he seemed like a nice guy in his interview with Bobby B. But strictly on the court, he profiles as one of those tweener guards who can put up a lot of points but is not actually helping a team win. He's not someone who is going to be good in a supporting role because he needs too many shots and he's not great in other areas of the game, but if you are handing him the keys you're probably not going to be a really good team despite him having an impressive PPG stat on the surface.
I am not saying run the kid out of town or anything. Just that I'm not sure that we should be disqualifying potentially good transfers because they don't fit nicely next to him. If a lot of the good potential PG transfers are getting crossed off because they don't adequately compensate for the shortcomings of our current SG, maybe time to examine whether that SG is really good enough to warrant that. I mean what are the odds that we find a really good point guard, who actually WANTS to come to this team in its current state, and who also just so happens to compliment Epps perfectly? Most likely you'd have to compromise on something--either taking a more traditional point guard who does not compliment Epps well and makes for a "too small" back court, or find a tall point guard who can distribute and defend but who is not a highly sought after transfer and is more of a role player [and by the way, we arguably already have that guy on the roster and we're not thrilled with the idea of relying on Brumbaugh + Epps starting backcourt next year].
I know we all hate the perpetual roster turnover, but after yet another disappointing season, I don't think we can go into the offseason with anybody from the current team's spot for next year etched in stone. We need to get the best players that we can at whatever positions we can get them, and if that rubs any of the current guys the wrong way, best of luck to them at their next stop.
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Post by TC on Feb 13, 2024 10:29:34 GMT -5
If I'm Ed Cooley, priority #1 is Hopkins.
You have a relationship there, you absolutely need the first domino to fall especially after this year to convince your portal targets to follow, and you need to bring in a name - Sorber is a giant talent increase but you're going to need to bring in an established college basketball name - I don't think Sorber is going to help move the needle with your portal targets. You bring in Hopkins, your case to your #2/#3 targets for "how good are you going to be" is a much better one - you have X core, you are bringing in a great freshman class, and Hopkins has signed on.
Plus on every level - AD, fans, city - they've been absolute dicks and dealing that program a deathblow would be fun.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Feb 13, 2024 10:38:55 GMT -5
I figured since we're under 10 games left in season and the offseason is sadly more exciting to look forward to than the conclusion of this season, that we could look at potential Portal fits (before knowing who's even in the portal - although essentially everyone is if the 2 time transfer rule is waived). As I've said elsewhere I think PG, PF and C should be the 3 transfer roles (IF noone from the Epps, Brumbaugh, Styles, Fielder group leaves). I should note that nearly every one of the players below is on Trilly Donovans discord channel (subscription) as sourced by him as likely to portal. PG: Dug McDaniel (DMV kid at Michigan). Malik Mack (DMV kid at Harvard). Brycen Goodine (more of a combo at Fairfield - former Providence player). Erik Reynolds (DMV kid at St Joes). PF: Hopkins (PC). TJ Power (Duke - recruited by PC from Mass.) C: Ugonna Onyenso (at UK, recruited by PC previously). Danny Wolf (Yale - Rowans former teammate) Re: McDaniel, rumor was that his suspension was academic-related. Not sure if we still have academic standards for our players, but would think that a guy that couldn't hack it academically at Michigan would have a difficult time at Georgetown. Additionally, not a huge fan of somebody who puts this kind of language into his public social media: Careful, Michigan is one of the top 3 or 4 public universities in the USA and at least on par with Georgetown. The question is which type school can be more lenient with athletes, and I think the answer is private schools. So, it becomes more of a "fit" thing with McDaniel.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Feb 13, 2024 10:44:57 GMT -5
If I'm Ed Cooley, priority #1 is Hopkins. You have a relationship there, you absolutely need the first domino to fall especially after this year to convince your portal targets to follow, and you need to bring in a name - Sorber is a giant talent increase but you're going to need to bring in an established college basketball name - I don't think Sorber is going to help move the needle with your portal targets. You bring in Hopkins, your case to your #2/#3 targets for "how good are you going to be" is a much better one - you have X core, you are bringing in a great freshman class, and Hopkins has signed on. Plus on every level - AD, fans, city - they've been absolute dicks and dealing that program a deathblow would be fun. He's just another question mark, though. This year most of our coin flips failed. We can't afford that again. Hopkins at 100%... sure. Easy sell. Great addition. Hopkins beginning to get back to full fitness by the late summer or fall, just 5-8 months removed from knee surgery? Maybe not REALLY game comfortable for longer? Maybe not even playing his best ball until February? And you're going to have to make that call & commit to that $$$ by April, way before you likely have any idea how the recovery is going to shake out. If our bank is unlimited and Ed is skilled enough to acquire the depth we'd need to cover a total miss, I'm all for it. But I can't imagine BH is the surefire portal add he would've been on January 1.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 13, 2024 10:49:59 GMT -5
Too early for me to have strong feelings on specific players yet, though I wholeheartedly agree that the importance of this transfer class cannot be overstated. Make or break. I hate to seem like the guy who is overly negative on the current players. But there seems to be a lot of sentiment in the previous posts along the lines of "We can't take McDaniel, a McDaniel + Epps backcourt is too small" or "We can't take Mack, a Mack + Epps backcourt is too weak defensively" etc... And my thought on that is, are we sure we want to make Epps a centerpiece and build a team around him and all his strengths and weaknesses? He obviously has potential to go off for big scoring nights, which is seductive. But he's shooting 33.1% from the field in Big East play on a high volume of shots, he's not facilitator enough to play point guard and he's small to play shooting guard and not a great defender (like most everyone on this team). AND, he's probably expecting a lot in NIL. I'm not trying to bash him, he seemed like a nice guy in his interview with Bobby B. But strictly on the court, he profiles as one of those tweener guards who can put up a lot of points but is not actually helping a team win. He's not someone who is going to be good in a supporting role because he needs too many shots and he's not great in other areas of the game, but if you are handing him the keys you're probably not going to be a really good team despite him having an impressive PPG stat on the surface. I am not saying run the kid out of town or anything. Just that I'm not sure that we should be disqualifying potentially good transfers because they don't fit nicely next to him. If a lot of the good potential PG transfers are getting crossed off because they don't adequately compensate for the shortcomings of our current SG, maybe time to examine whether that SG is really good enough to warrant that. I mean what are the odds that we find a really good point guard, who actually WANTS to come to this team in its current state, and who also just so happens to compliment Epps perfectly? Most likely you'd have to compromise on something--either taking a more traditional point guard who does not compliment Epps well and makes for a "too small" back court, or find a tall point guard who can distribute and defend but who is not a highly sought after transfer and is more of a role player [and by the way, we arguably already have that guy on the roster and we're not thrilled with the idea of relying on Brumbaugh + Epps starting backcourt next year]. I know we all hate the perpetual roster turnover, but after yet another disappointing season, I don't think we can go into the offseason with anybody from the current team's spot for next year etched in stone. We need to get the best players that we can at whatever positions we can get them, and if that rubs any of the current guys the wrong way, best of luck to them at their next stop. RBHoya is probably not going to like that I agree with him, but what he's posted is extremely well-stated. In particular, the staff needs to decide if Epps is truly somebody you want to build around for the next two years and if he's worth the money. I think ultimately they decide to keep him, in large part due to the relationship between Ivan Thomas and Epps' camp, but I'm not sure that is the right decision. He's a shoot first combo guard who has proven that he's not a particularly good shooter, especially against high major competition that can match his quickness and put size on him. The only two guys I'd put in the "etch in stone" return category are Cook and Styles. Each one only has a year left, has seen their career prospects improve since becoming Hoyas, and won't be very expensive from an NIL standpoint. Fielder would be the next on the list, but you'd have to be certain that you can build him into a player that can defend somebody next season. Again, he's a guy that won't be that expensive, so that's a plus. Brumbaugh would be next, and while he's had a disappointing season, he should be easy to keep given his connection to Georgetown and is also cheap.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 13, 2024 10:53:45 GMT -5
If I'm Ed Cooley, priority #1 is Hopkins. You have a relationship there, you absolutely need the first domino to fall especially after this year to convince your portal targets to follow, and you need to bring in a name - Sorber is a giant talent increase but you're going to need to bring in an established college basketball name - I don't think Sorber is going to help move the needle with your portal targets. You bring in Hopkins, your case to your #2/#3 targets for "how good are you going to be" is a much better one - you have X core, you are bringing in a great freshman class, and Hopkins has signed on. Plus on every level - AD, fans, city - they've been absolute dicks and dealing that program a deathblow would be fun. He's just another question mark, though. This year most of our coin flips failed. We can't afford that again. Hopkins at 100%... sure. Easy sell. Great addition. Hopkins beginning to get back to full fitness by the late summer or fall, just 5-8 months removed from knee surgery? Maybe not REALLY game comfortable for longer? Maybe not even playing his best ball until February? And you're going to have to make that call & commit to that $$$ by April, way before you likely have any idea how the recovery is going to shake out. If our bank is unlimited and Ed is skilled enough to acquire the depth we'd need to cover a total miss, I'm all for it. But I can't imagine BH is the surefire portal add he would've been on January 1. 100% agree on this - Hopkins is far from a no-brainer. Not a particularly dynamic athlete before the knee injury, what will he be like afterward? You're not going to get him healthy in time for summer workouts/Kenner/a potential overseas trip. So now all of a sudden you've committed a bunch of money to somebody that you won't be able to have on the court at 100% until the season starts, if then? Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for a Hoyas team that will likely want to have success out of the gate next year. I also think it's sleazy for Cooley to raid conference mate Providence again like that, but I recognize there is a portion of the fan base that doesn't care about things like that.
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Post by TC on Feb 13, 2024 10:57:40 GMT -5
If our bank is unlimited and Ed is skilled enough to acquire the depth we'd need to cover a total miss, I'm all for it. But I can't imagine BH is the surefire portal add he would've been on January 1. I don't think Hopkins is a sure thing either, but I think he's worth the gamble because if you get the first domino to fall, your job convincing others becomes a lot easier. We need to get over the hump on the first name though, and we need to do it early in the portal. The scenario you do not want is to chase a couple of game changers around for all of April. The "it's sleazy" argument is absolutely dumb. This is the game - you build and you leverage your relationships, or you can be unemployed with people with no relationships like Pat Ewing. Kim English took everything not nailed down with him when he left George Mason (Oduro, Gaines, Fernandez). If you can get Hopkins, you get him. Providence isn't some special place that has to be handled with kid gloves and weird special rules even if Providence fans make them up.
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Post by raleighfriar on Feb 13, 2024 11:39:25 GMT -5
If our bank is unlimited and Ed is skilled enough to acquire the depth we'd need to cover a total miss, I'm all for it. But I can't imagine BH is the surefire portal add he would've been on January 1. I don't think Hopkins is a sure thing either, but I think he's worth the gamble because if you get the first domino to fall, your job convincing others becomes a lot easier. We need to get over the hump on the first name though, and we need to do it early in the portal. The scenario you do not want is to chase a couple of game changers around for all of April. The "it's sleazy" argument is absolutely dumb. This is the game - you build and you leverage your relationships, or you can be unemployed with people with no relationships like Pat Ewing. Kim English took everything not nailed down with him when he left George Mason (Oduro, Gaines, Fernandez). If you can get Hopkins, you get him. Providence isn't some special place that has to be handled with kid gloves and weird special rules even if Providence fans make them up. You can certainly try, TC, but he just got a chip endorsement so good luck! www.on3.com/nil/news/kyle-filipowski-bryce-hopkins-release-chips-through-nil-deal-with-snack-fanatics/
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 13, 2024 11:41:56 GMT -5
Re: McDaniel, rumor was that his suspension was academic-related. Not sure if we still have academic standards for our players, but would think that a guy that couldn't hack it academically at Michigan would have a difficult time at Georgetown. Additionally, not a huge fan of somebody who puts this kind of language into his public social media: Careful, Michigan is one of the top 3 or 4 public universities in the USA and at least on par with Georgetown. The question is which type school can be more lenient with athletes, and I think the answer is private schools. So, it becomes more of a "fit" thing with McDaniel. Michigan is a good school. But if you think it’s easier hide a non-academic athlete at a small private school than at a massive state school with a huge athletic program—including a premier FBS football program—I have a bridge to sell you.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 13, 2024 12:15:49 GMT -5
While I would welcome Hopkins with open airs, as others have said, there's no guarantee how he'll play given the ACL injury. They take a long time to heal, and some people never really reach their previous potential either. Yes, I know medicine has improved and plenty of guys come back from ACL injuries and are fine. But others aren't. That said, I think he'd be a big get.
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