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Post by kettlehill on Apr 11, 2024 17:03:22 GMT -5
I think you meant Styles and Cook ( gone next year )
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 11, 2024 17:12:26 GMT -5
Older & experienced are two very different things in my opinion. If an older kid with no experience in a system isn't going to be that great of help to the younger players behind him. As I've stated often I'd rather play the youngsters If the squad was built to win next year, I'd be all for getting one year players. I don't think this fan base or program can handle another 10th place finish. We need to get to .500 in conference ASAP. If playing the youngsters means we can't do that, then we need to rent some older players regardless in my opinion. Speaking for myself, I won't be able to handle another year of disjointed & sloppy play. I can live with a team that's losing but giving a good disciplined effort. I'll repeat, Ed Cooley's success in the past has come through the continuity of the teams & players.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 11, 2024 17:14:30 GMT -5
I think you meant Styles and Cook ( gone next year ) This would be the 2025-2026 Outlook: Cook: No eligibility remaining. Styles: No eligibility remaining. Epps: 1 year remaining. Fielder: 2 years remaining. Sorber: 3 years remaining. McKenna: 3 years remaining. Mulready: 3 years remaining. Williams: 3 years remaining. Mutombo's status seems unknown, but this coming year will be his last, too. Two of the transfers being discussed--eligibility after 2024-2025: - Malik Mack: 2 years remaining. - Peavy: No eligibility remaining. Peavy would be 23 going into 2024-2025, so he'd be one of the types of players who would get us older and give us more experience.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 11, 2024 19:00:24 GMT -5
I don't think this fan base or program can handle another 10th place finish. We need to get to .500 in conference ASAP. If playing the youngsters means we can't do that, then we need to rent some older players regardless in my opinion. Speaking for myself, I won't be able to handle another year of disjointed & sloppy play. I can live with a team that's losing but giving a good disciplined effort. I'll repeat, Ed Cooley's success in the past has come through the continuity of the teams & players. Planning for that kind of continuity is a fool’s errand in 2024. Like it or not, those days are over. All the Elite 8 teams were dominated by juniors and senior starters.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 11, 2024 19:44:15 GMT -5
Speaking for myself, I won't be able to handle another year of disjointed & sloppy play. I can live with a team that's losing but giving a good disciplined effort. I'll repeat, Ed Cooley's success in the past has come through the continuity of the teams & players. Planning for that kind of continuity is a fool’s errand in 2024. Like it or not, those days are over. All the Elite 8 teams were dominated by juniors and senior starters. But outside of Alabama & NC State the other 6 teams in the Elite 8 had a number of rotation players who had been in their programs 2+ years. What does that tell us?
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Post by thedragon on Apr 11, 2024 19:58:11 GMT -5
Planning for that kind of continuity is a fool’s errand in 2024. Like it or not, those days are over. All the Elite 8 teams were dominated by juniors and senior starters. But outside of Alabama & NC State the other 6 teams in the Elite 8 had a number of rotation players who had been in their programs 2+ years. What does that tell us? You could just as easily couch it as Uconn had just as many Portalers in their top 6 as recruits. I happen to agree with you that continuity still matters to some degree, but the portal is just as relevant for us as a path back to relevancy as recruiting and retention.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 11, 2024 20:12:42 GMT -5
But outside of Alabama & NC State the other 6 teams in the Elite 8 had a number of rotation players who had been in their programs 2+ years. What does that tell us? You could just as easily couch it as Uconn had just as many Portalers in their top 6 as recruits. I happen to agree with you that continuity still matters to some degree, but the portal is just as relevant for us as a path back to relevancy as recruiting and retention. Not really because Newton & Diarra are multi-year transfers which is where this conversation started after my post about the Gillis kid. I'm not knocking the portal but until some type of core is developed using it for 1 year players seems more like they're chasing wins as opposed to building a program.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 12, 2024 9:26:49 GMT -5
This would be my ideal portal pick-up.
Legit shooter, and athletic with multiple years left.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 12, 2024 21:59:40 GMT -5
Speaks for itself:
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Apr 13, 2024 8:50:53 GMT -5
Disappointed in not adding Tyler Perkins, and doubly irked he's a Nova lean.
But a Mack addition - better talent at a position of greater need - would make me forget all about that.
That 3rd guard addition (after a PG add) will be another interesting situation. Can Ed coax an experienced/talented kid without the lure of a starting spot?
Getting ahead of myself... but I don't even wanna think about where we turn if MM doesn't come here.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 13, 2024 9:37:58 GMT -5
Disappointed in not adding Tyler Perkins, and doubly irked he's a Nova lean. But a Mack addition - better talent at a position of greater need - would make me forget all about that. That 3rd guard addition (after a PG add) will be another interesting situation. Can Ed coax an experienced/talented kid without the lure of a starting spot? Getting ahead of myself... but I don't even wanna think about where we turn if MM doesn't come here. If it's really down to us and UVA and can't close with MM that would be a giant red flag to me. A kid focused on academics and seemingly staying close to home. A former TTO kid with supposedly KJ now in the fold. And a supposed big bag of NIL. This is as close to a MUST get as we've had in a long time.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 13, 2024 10:16:17 GMT -5
Disappointed in not adding Tyler Perkins, and doubly irked he's a Nova lean. But a Mack addition - better talent at a position of greater need - would make me forget all about that. That 3rd guard addition (after a PG add) will be another interesting situation. Can Ed coax an experienced/talented kid without the lure of a starting spot? Getting ahead of myself... but I don't even wanna think about where we turn if MM doesn't come here. If it's really down to us and UVA and can't close with MM that would be a giant red flag to me. A kid focused on academics and seemingly staying close to home. A former TTO kid with supposedly KJ now in the fold. And a supposed big bag of NIL. This is as close to a MUST get as we've had in a long time. I wonder whether Mack has talked with Dante Harris about both, even though Harris's experience at Georgetown must be viewed as sui generis with a high and a low with perhaps only limited insight into how the Hoyas are now.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 13, 2024 14:52:33 GMT -5
This is the thought I have for Mack committing to Gtown.
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 13, 2024 23:17:44 GMT -5
So we got one defensive machine in Micah, what’s left?
Pg Front court shot blocker And what else?
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Post by thedragon on Apr 13, 2024 23:20:24 GMT -5
So we got one defensive machine in Micah, what’s left? Pg Front court shot blocker And what else? Backup Guard
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Post by dense on Apr 14, 2024 0:51:51 GMT -5
So we got one defensive machine in Micah, what’s left? Pg Front court shot blocker And what else? Backup Guard I'd look for someone who might have a look toward coaching or a GU graduate degree like Bacote. After seeing Mulready today he needs to play all the reserve minutes if it's Mack and Epps in the backcourt.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 14, 2024 5:52:27 GMT -5
Shooter. Maybe the kid from Fairfield?
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 14, 2024 7:54:41 GMT -5
We need a 20 mpg rim protecting center and a 4th guard who is a ball handler. Neither of those should be mission impossible. A quality guard willing to take a small role could be the hardest part in this new era.
More than 2 weeks to find them too.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 14, 2024 10:45:16 GMT -5
I'm hoping Hoyas land a solid seasoned true point guard (rumors are tipping that way, but it isn't real until it happens).
The largest need is a power big who can fill the middle better and deal with the large bigs in the BE that many teams have or are adding. Cook struggled defending them as he got moved around, stuggled to rim protect, and didn't have the length to have solid offensive games against them. Rutgers senior / grad transfer Clifford Omoruyi is still available and his 6'10" and 230 build did well against other bigger bigs. He could be a good add. Long term that role may need a solution depending on how Fielder's game progresses (Sorber doesn't look like he has the frame to add the bulk and he just dropped a lot of weight before this season to improve his game and physical issues from the weight. Fielder with his outside shooting and more work on his lateral defensive movement will be a difficult match for other teams as a big stretch 4 or outside in small big. Then add Sorber's agility, scoring, and length and rim protection against anything but big bigs that will be a scary pairing down the road.
The last slot I would sort of like to see Montgomery get a scholarship as he was a really good 3 shooter and seemed to defend well.
The Hoyas if they pick up a really good point guard already have Peavy, Williams, and Mulready who can take minutes with good solid point play in larger bodies. All three are an upgrade on Epps at point. Mulready needs to get court time and gym time to get back to where he was before his injury and get his shot back.
After seeing Acaden Lewis from Sidwell play (really solid point skill a good agile and quick athleticism, solid court vision, ease to get to the basket, and quite good outside shooting, plus seems to really want to come to the Hilltop in a year, I don't know how much I'd want to see invested in another point guard. In 2025 he would be 2 years behind a potential incoming point guard and may pressure them. The only player I've seen close to him in a while is Mikey Lewis who was top scorer at Cap Classic yesterday out of Prolific Prep and headed to the St. Mary's Gaels (St. Mary's will be stacked with four really good point guards next year).
Players only have a couple more weeks to enter the portal. There may be knock on entries from teams that have recruited over others or the dominos falling from late top coaching changes. The Hoyas could have a solid roster of guards and wings who can shoot with a lot of depth and options to change things up.
The one player who's role may change the most is Epps. How he fits and feels with all of this would be something to watch. Epps best game was the last game of the season as he was finding teammates and when sticking to the smallest guard on defense he did alright. But, ball dominant small guard who isn't long, fast, or quick and struggles with consistent offensive consistency could shrink his time. If Epps shooting efficiency improves to where he was in the Hoyas preseason and not need to be on ball to have success, that could bode well. The big question and concern is covering BE bigger and longer guards.
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 14, 2024 16:34:16 GMT -5
Shooter. Maybe the kid from Fairfield? Interesting look, it’d be his final year which is good, was teammates with Cook for a year, coached by Cooley at Providence before transferring, shoots over 46% from 3, he’d need to be ok with cutting down from 25 minutes (to what 15ish?), does anyone have insight into his handles and defense? It might be harder to get a high major transfer to be a bench guy. I’m sure the staff will pick wisely and who else they get will paint a picture on where they see the freshmen fitting in. But absolutely need a defensive big. Will still have more portalers to come
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