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Post by thedragon on Dec 8, 2023 10:26:26 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Dec 8, 2023 10:41:11 GMT -5
If there's a terrible take out there, hoyaboya will post it. Who should we trust - Fran Frachilla, who covers the Big 12 inside and out every year for ESPN, or TC, who probably never heard of Nae'Qwan Tomlin before yesterday? I don't have a take on Nae'Qwan Tomlin, and you are right, I've never heard of him before yesterday, but Fraschilla's take boils down to - "Not sure what happened" - "there was a sense of entitlement" - "Don’t @ me" Information-free opinions that you aren't willing to be held accountable for aren't worth expressing and shouldn't be respected.
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Post by concord on Dec 8, 2023 12:01:35 GMT -5
If Cooley and Tomlin see a mutual fit, I think we should be excited about the possibility. Certainly Coach has plenty of inside intel from Massoud to draw upon. This is not a situation where someone would be recruited over or pushed aside because we have AMPLE frontcourt minutes available at the moment and Tomlin would be playing pro ball by the time our (excellent) next recruiting class shows up.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 8, 2023 12:07:10 GMT -5
If Cooley and Tomlin see a mutual fit, I think we should be excited about the possibility. Certainly Coach has plenty of inside intel from Massoud to draw upon. This is not a situation where someone would be recruited over or pushed aside because we have AMPLE frontcourt minutes available at the moment and Tomlin would be playing pro ball by the time our (excellent) next recruiting class shows up. You just can't afford a Gardner/LeBlanc/Alexander situation blowing things up. That was honestly the beginning of the end of the Ewing era. If he could steady the ship and help you get another 2 or 3 BE wins, it might be worth it to be able to show the path to improvement (it doesn't change the overall trajectory but maybe you can get to the NIT). That has to be weighed against the overall team chemistry and possible slight delay in Fielder's minutes. It's not black & white at all so it will be interesting to see which way this may go.
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Post by jydhoya on Dec 8, 2023 12:17:47 GMT -5
Good Nae'Qwan coverage starts at the 11:05 mark.
Basic overview is Kurtz's sources say that Tang and Team wanted and expected Tomlin back after 8 game suspension due to a bar fight. President of KState (Linton) was the lone person holding up his return. Causing friction in relationship between basketball staff and Linton, and Kurtz expresses concern that it could create long term damage in relationship between Tang and the school.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 8, 2023 13:05:37 GMT -5
If there's a terrible take out there, hoyaboya will post it. Who should we trust - Fran Frachilla, who covers the Big 12 inside and out every year for ESPN, or TC, who probably never heard of Nae'Qwan Tomlin before yesterday? Fran Frachilla, said Nerlen Noels to the Hoyas was a done deal.
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 8, 2023 13:19:12 GMT -5
At this point, I’m trusting Cooley if he thinks a player is worth taking. He’s been very deliberate with how he’s building this program. We can certainly see the need/role for another big. If Cooley believes he’ll fit in, let’s role. He’s not a guy willing to sacrifice the program he’s building for a couple wins.
Also, sounds like some big time programs might want to start poking around on if Tang would leave after the year. Seems destined for bigger things.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 8, 2023 13:31:24 GMT -5
Good Nae'Qwan coverage starts at the 11:05 mark. Basic overview is Kurtz's sources say that Tang and Team wanted and expected Tomlin back after 8 game suspension due to a bar fight. President of KState (Linton) was the lone person holding up his return. Causing friction in relationship between basketball staff and Linton, and Kurtz expresses concern that it could create long term damage in relationship between Tang and the school. I am sure bigger programs are rubbing their hands together when hearing about this possible rift
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Post by guru on Dec 8, 2023 14:17:41 GMT -5
If there's a terrible take out there, hoyaboya will post it. Who should we trust - Fran Frachilla, who covers the Big 12 inside and out every year for ESPN, or TC, who probably never heard of Nae'Qwan Tomlin before yesterday? Don’t be so sensitive. Actually, you should really just stop posting.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 8, 2023 14:28:40 GMT -5
Nowell saying he needs to mature is not a great endorsement either especially for a veteran player
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Post by thedragon on Dec 8, 2023 14:44:23 GMT -5
Meh. A kid got into a barfight. I think it's pretty evident he needed to mature. Is he a good kid who made a bad decision? Is he a good teammate? I'd say the fact his teammates are defending him publicly is a good sign.
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Post by TC on Dec 8, 2023 15:17:24 GMT -5
Fraschilla backpedalling so hard he's falling over
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 8, 2023 15:45:57 GMT -5
Meh. A kid got into a barfight. I think it's pretty evident he needed to mature. Is he a good kid who made a bad decision? Is he a good teammate? I'd say the fact his teammates are defending him publicly is a good sign. The point was that even Nowell in his defense of the kid acknowledged that he needed to mature some more. Gtown in the recent past booted Chris Sodom for getting into a bar fight. I don't know anything about the kid but if the reports are correct that he went to the protest about his reinstatement in front of the President's house that will also make me question how much he's learned or developed/matured during his suspension.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2023 16:02:28 GMT -5
If recently married, mature man Ish gives his ok, let’s get him. Whiners gonna whine…
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Post by xpathoya on Dec 8, 2023 16:04:01 GMT -5
Nowell saying he needs to mature is not a great endorsement either especially for a veteran player I wouldn't expect Ish to say any different. How about we just leave it to Ish to be a judge of this young man's character and maturity level. Let's wait and see before jumping to conclusions.
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Post by xpathoya on Dec 8, 2023 16:19:46 GMT -5
Others wasting no time.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 8, 2023 16:44:59 GMT -5
I find the concerns about Fielder's minutes being impacted by adding Tomlin curious. Until he transferred just before the season started wouldn't Akok have been part of the Hoya frontcourt? Freshman Fielder would definitely have played behind him, no?
We're undermanned in the frontcourt. Basketball-wise adding a player of Tomlin's ability makes a ton of sense. If the staff agrees I'm sure it will do the necessary due diligence to determine if the young man is a fit for GU on and off the court. I find the prospect enticing!
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 8, 2023 16:45:24 GMT -5
Nowell saying he needs to mature is not a great endorsement either especially for a veteran player I read Nowell's comment a bit differently given the context. I think all Nowell is saying is that someone with more maturity knows to remove themselves from situations like the one in question even if he isn't the person who instigated it. What I don't think Nowell is saying is that Tomlin is a bad team mate, or selfish, etc. In any event, this is pretty likely all academic. I don't think its likely he's coming here.
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 8, 2023 17:33:05 GMT -5
K State just makes it harder on itself with all the cover up. We are left to assume what a bar fight looks like, and there are only a hundred possible versions of that. Without knowing more, I say we apply the same standard that I/we gave to Pitino as a possible addition to our program: did he make a mistake? (in Pitino's case a whole bunch of mistakes and much more egregious than a bar fight). Can a person redeem him/her/themselves after making a stupid decision or simply doing something wrong or stupid? (and I give this kid way more leeway than I gave Pitino as this kid is still a kid. Pitino knew better). If the answer to these questions is "yes", then why aren't we more understanding in giving someone a second chance? A kid gets into a scrape at a college bar? Yeah, so, and what? Wow. The issues of what it looks like to our school or program and PT for whomever are legit, but let's get by the judging and talk real about what it means to entertain adding this young man to our team and take it step by rational step.
TBS, it would help a whole lot to have more real info on the incident, why K State prez won't take him back, and what his status is today.
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Post by Retro_hoya on Dec 8, 2023 17:38:05 GMT -5
I find the concerns about Fielder's minutes being impacted by adding Tomlin curious. Until he transferred just before the season started wouldn't Akok have been part of the Hoya frontcourt? Freshman Fielder would definitely play behind him, no? We're undermanned in the frontcourt. Basketball-wise adding a player of Tomlin's ability makes a ton of sense. If the staff agrees I'm sure it will do the necessary due diligence to determine if the young man is a fit for GU on and off the court. I find the prospect enticing! I’d agree. Also wanted to point how how much better competing against someone like Tomlin day in and day out would make Fielder and Cook (Cool still has a year left next year, right?). It would allow fielder to come in and work on very specific skills and focus on doing that skill perfectly rather than trying to juggle too much, especially once against BE play. The developmental boost from playing against NBA athleticism and skill (I’ll leave that to others, I know nothing about Tomlin but apparently he’s an NBA prospect) I think the development for fielder would far outweigh the lost minutes. If interested, a fresh start away from whatever poor influence or interaction caused the bar fight would be a good thing for him and for the Hoyas.
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