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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 21, 2023 7:48:33 GMT -5
Maybe its just this board, but the Hoya fanbase is damaged goods. You guys can't enjoy any bit of good news, you would rather place an asterixis, a future warning perhaps, next to everything. I suppose this is the result of the dumpster fire the program had become. I can understand the weariness. But the non-stop negativity is ridiculous. I mean the person on this site who posts the most and types more words than half of the board combined, is a guy that many see as some sort of troll. What has become of this place? So now when we get a terrific recruit who plays terrifically, what you get on this board is more apprehension than anything. Worrying about if a recruit will remain true to his commitment. Thinking the player should reclassify and get to college a year earlier (missing his important senior year in high school in the process) just so us fans can feel secure that the player won't abandon his commitment to the Hoyas after giving time. Fretting that if a Hoya recruit actually does well he could actually rise in the rankings and draw attention from the Blue Bloods. It makes me think that people here would rather have our recruits play below expectations in order to ensure they do not draw any unwanted attention. But wait. If those recruits actually drop in ranking there will be even more concern in these parts that the staff isn't bringing in dudes who can help the team compete in the Big East. Which would lead to increased feelings of panic. A few of you guys have a no-win scenario mindset. Yes, the landscape of college athletics is changing again. It does not mean the current staff isn't prepared for that change. It doesn't mean other schools are interested, willing or able of poaching our best players whether its after they commit/sign with the Hoyas or after they play for the team. On this page participants appear to be more willing to wallow in low expectations and see only the potential catastrophes rather than celebrate when a recruit signs with Georgetown or plays well. We should be filling up the threads of individual recruits with excites responses when they play well, but those threads instead remain largely dormant. We would rather focus on the negative. Thankfully Cooley and his staff, on their own, are charismatic and convincing enough to knock it out of the park when it comes to recruiting for 2024 and beyond, because they definitely can't rely on enthusiastic fan support to help them out. No outstanding recruit would pick the Hoyas based on the vibes they get from this site. Too much negativity and skepticism. Here's a thought for all of us. Try enjoying good news instead of looking for all signs of pending doom that may await down the road. It is better for one's health. Talking about negativity, try reading back your post. There’s no need to be so dramatic and divisive. It’s simple. The GU fan base is suffering PTSD, or Post Thompson/Ewing Stress Disorder. And with good reason. Everyone knows it. I trust the recruits to be smarter than what you mention. I trust Cooley to be smarter than what you mention. They know winning will cure all. By the way, as to the poaching, it’s now part of the game and everyone knows it. You should buckle up because Georgetown’s poaching of one of our conference’s best coaches will be a talking point each and every game. Any horse looks high when the rest of the stable is so low. With that out of the way what exactly was your point? Because it seems foolish to argue that my pointing out all the negative doom & gloom attitudes is further spreading that negativity itself. Imagine if that type of thinking was applied to ANY scenario in which people wallowed in a mindset that had them believing only the worst possible outcomes. Envision planning a trip for a group of friends and all the friends did were gripe about the length of the journey, the cost, how they might not enjoy the experience, how something could go wrong, blah, blah, blah. You are telling me if someone came out and said they were all being too negative that that same person would be guilty of adding fuel to the fire by discussing those negative attitudes in the first place? Come on, sir. We are at the start of a new regime. Its okay to be cautiously optimistic rather than in an indefinite state of misery and panic. You spouting off about poaching is an example of the latter in my opinion. Poaching can just as easily be done by Georgetown against other teams as it is by other teams against Georgetown. Yet when I do my occasional checks around the other fanbases of college hoops, I don’t see anyone else fretting when a recruit that has chosen their team is doing well. They don’t go immediately to the doomsday scenario in their minds. Rather they bask in the performance of those recruits. At least for a little while. |
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Post by TC on Jun 21, 2023 7:49:06 GMT -5
By the way, as to the poaching, it’s now part of the game and everyone knows it. You should buckle up because Georgetown’s poaching of one of our conference’s best coaches will be a talking point each and every game. That would be awesome and a huge boost to our program and the vibes. I hope they do talk about that each and every game. Yes, poaching is an issue in college basketball, yes it happens even at the HS recruit level, but if you look at the decommits that happened this year in 2023's, most of them were : - college program made a coaching change / assistants left - they were recruited over / recruiting promises broken Most HS commitments stick. I understand why people are worried - the quiet part here is that he's really really really good and people realize that. This is the best player we've successfully recruited in a decade, since Otto Porter, and unlike Otto Porter, this recruitment isn't a late blooming under-the-radar commitment. I'm sure someone will "but Isaac Copeland" or "but Aminu Mohammed" this statement but get out of here with that nonsense. The great thing about this commitment being early and open and Sorber's rise in the rankings is that we're hopefully going to be able to use it to snowball some more 2024 commitments. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jun 21, 2023 8:13:13 GMT -5
Ok fine. Be ready to match or beat whatever offers he gets after his freshman year. Point is, in the current landscape of college basketball, no roster player should be considered safe on a yearly basis unless we’re willing to put our money where our mouth is. Maybe its just this board, but the Hoya fanbase is damaged goods. You guys can't enjoy any bit of good news, you would rather place an asterixis, a future warning perhaps, next to everything. I suppose this is the result of the dumpster fire the program had become. I can understand the weariness. But the non-stop negativity is ridiculous. I mean the person on this site who posts the most and types more words than half of the board combined, is a guy that many see as some sort of troll. What has become of this place? So now when we get a terrific recruit who plays terrifically, what you get on this board is more apprehension than anything. Worrying about if a recruit will remain true to his commitment. Thinking the player should reclassify and get to college a year earlier (missing his important senior year in high school in the process) just so us fans can feel secure that the player won't abandon his commitment to the Hoyas after giving time. Fretting that if a Hoya recruit actually does well he could actually rise in the rankings and draw attention from the Blue Bloods. It makes me think that people here would rather have our recruits play below expectations in order to ensure they do not draw any unwanted attention. But wait. If those recruits actually drop in ranking there will be even more concern in these parts that the staff isn't bringing in dudes who can help the team compete in the Big East. Which would lead to increased feelings of panic. A few of you guys have a no-win scenario mindset. Yes, the landscape of college athletics is changing again. It does not mean the current staff isn't prepared for that change. It doesn't mean other schools are interested, willing or able of poaching our best players whether its after they commit/sign with the Hoyas or after they play for the team. On this page participants appear to be more willing to wallow in low expectations and see only the potential catastrophes rather than celebrate when a recruit signs with Georgetown or plays well. We should be filling up the threads of individual recruits with excites responses when they play well, but those threads instead remain largely dormant. We would rather focus on the negative. Thankfully Cooley and his staff, on their own, are charismatic and convincing enough to knock it out of the park when it comes to recruiting for 2024 and beyond, because they definitely can't rely on enthusiastic fan support to help them out. No outstanding recruit would pick the Hoyas based on the vibes they get from this site. Too much negativity and skepticism. Here's a thought for all of us. Try enjoying good news instead of looking for all signs of pending doom that may await down the road. It is better for one's health. I’m not saying I’m not happy to have the kid. Just recognizing that long gone are the days when you could celebrate a prized recruit knowing he’d be a building block for the program for the next 3-4 years. I’m not going to assume any recruit or transfer is going to be a Hoya for more than 1 year. Because to assume anything otherwise is ignoring the currant state of college athletics. For me, it has nothing to do with what’s happened to the program over the last decade. It has everything to do with the landscape of college basketball “free agency”. Maybe the poaching has gone down among HS recruits, but that’s only because college freshmen are now the most sought after “recruits”. Why on earth would I assume a top 50 potential 5 star kid wouldn’t get offers from other schools after his freshman year when he can transfer for free? My point is that if you want to contend in this environment you better be ready to put up the money. We just saw this off season on two separate occasions what happens when bidding wars for transfers start and we don’t want to play ball. We need to be prepared for that now that we have guys on the roster and in the pipeline that other teams may actually want. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 21, 2023 8:20:02 GMT -5
What’s the name of your high horse?Talking about negativity, try reading back your post. There’s no need to be so dramatic and divisive. It’s simple. The GU fan base is suffering PTSD, or Post Thompson/Ewing Stress Disorder. And with good reason. Everyone knows it. I trust the recruits to be smarter than what you mention. I trust Cooley to be smarter than what you mention. They know winning will cure all. By the way, as to the poaching, it’s now part of the game and everyone knows it. You should buckle up because Georgetown’s poaching of one of our conference’s best coaches will be a talking point each and every game. Any horse looks high when the rest of the stable is so low. With that out of the way what exactly was your point? Because it seems foolish to argue that my pointing out all the negative doom & gloom attitudes is further spreading that negativity itself. Imagine if that type of thinking was applied to ANY scenario in which people wallowed in a mindset that had them believing only the worst possible outcomes. Envision planning a trip for a group of friends and all the friends did were gripe about the length of the journey, the cost, how they might not enjoy the experience, how something could go wrong, blah, blah, blah. You are telling me if someone came out and said they were all being too negative that that same person would be guilty of adding fuel to the fire by discussing those negative attitudes in the first place? Come on, sir. We are at the start of a new regime. Its okay to be cautiously optimistic rather than in an indefinite state of misery and panic. You spouting off about poaching is an example of the latter in my opinion. Poaching can just as easily be done by Georgetown against other teams as it is by other teams against Georgetown. Yet when I do my occasional checks around the other fanbases of college hoops, I don’t see anyone else fretting when a recruit that has chosen their team is doing well. They don’t go immediately to the doomsday scenario in their minds. Rather they bask in the performance of those recruits. At least for a little while. I think that’s where we are as a fan base. After the Thompson/Ewing debacle, it’s understandable. I don’t know what other fan bases have gone through, but everyone knows what we went through. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 21, 2023 15:04:11 GMT -5
First, to keep this on track, I am very excited about Sorber joining us eventually, and I feel pretty confident he will. Obviously, things happen, but I also think Cooley is a very different person than Ewing was. He's way more charismatic, and he's got his fingers on the pulse of his guys in ways that Ewing simply never did. Of course, over time, Cooley will lose players, just as he'll recruit (or dare I say, poach) players from other schools. At least we know Cooley is playing the game.
Second, the negativity is absolutely because of the past regime. Keep in mind that Hoyas fans only know the transfer portal/NIL era while Ewing was the coach of the Hoyas. During that 6 year period, we had a sum total of three guys who lasted four years--Jahvon Blair (who graduated), Pickett (who may have graduated, still unclear), and Malcom Wilson (who was tossed from a scholarship to make room for transfers, but then got it back). Those three are also the only ones who lasted 4 years (and even of his younger players, Mutomobo is the only one who could last 4 years, and who know sif Mutombo would have stayed without his father's connection to the university). That's truly an abysmal record and ridiculously high roster upheaval, but it's the only thing we have known from Ewing over the last several years.
I mean, the list over the 6 years is extremely long, so I really don't blame fans who are accustomed to this. Sodom, Antwan Walker, Akinjo, Grayson Carter, Josh LeBlanc, Mac McClung, Galen Alexander, Myron Gardner, Wahab, Berger, Donald Carey, Kobe Clark, Dante Harris, Collin Holloway, Timothy Ighoefe, Jamari Sibley, Tyler Beard, Jalen Billingsley, Jordan Riley, Denver Anglin, D'Ante Bass, Bradley Ezewiro, Brandon Murray, Primo Spears. And while a graduate transfer, Wilson. I think that's the full list of transfers, plus you've got Tre King who transferred but never played.
With King, that's 26 guys who left Georgetown over Ewing's 6 seasons (or the immediate aftermath of his firing). I don't care about transfer portals or NIL deals, that is an absurdly high amount of turnover. So, are Georgetown fans traumatized? Absolutely. Because since Ewing came on board, all we have known is constant transfers and losing virtually every player Ewing brought in over six years. To me, one of the frustrating things under Ewing, especially the last few years, was having to learn a whole new roster. While some of that will continue with the transfer portal and NIL, I don't think it will be nearly as bad as what we have witnesses over the last several years going forward. But, I cut our fans some slack for this reason.
That said, I am very confident things will be very different under Cooley. He has a strong record, I think he is much more of a player's coach than Ewing, and more simply, Cooley knows what he's doing. I think it's going to be a good ride, and Sorber will be an important piece after this season.
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Post by hoyas315 on Jun 23, 2023 14:51:59 GMT -5
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Post by madmike on Jun 23, 2023 16:17:07 GMT -5
Congrats Thomas. Can’t wait to see him on the hilltop |
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Post by DallasHoya on Jun 23, 2023 17:09:34 GMT -5
Congrats Thomas. Can’t wait to see him on the hilltop Archbishop Ryan Basketball really needs to change its Twitter handle. I half-expected its players to look like the 1970s Boston Celtics. |
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Post by dense on Jun 24, 2023 11:41:07 GMT -5
When he said he wanted to be like Jokic and Embiid in terms of impact in all faces, I thought "Kids will say that because they are THE players now" This kid is really got alot of "skills" with passing and handle to be that kind of player down the line.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 24, 2023 14:09:53 GMT -5
When he said he wanted to be like Jokic and Embiid in terms of impact in all faces, I thought "Kids will say that because they are THE players now" This kid is really got alot of "skills" with passing and handle to be that kind of player down the line. I took him seriously because even when he said it a month or so ago I don't think most kids would even think of trying to emulate Jokic. All the commentary I read about him in terms of his high IQ and his true passing ability is very intriguing. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 26, 2023 5:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 27, 2023 17:18:10 GMT -5
He’s a beast..
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 27, 2023 19:09:18 GMT -5
Nice to see Sorber invited to the top 100 camp. Mulready and Williams did not get invites.
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Post by thedragon on Jun 27, 2023 19:20:06 GMT -5
Nice to see Sorber invited to the top 100 camp. Mulready and Williams did not get invites. Imagine if you had ended the comment after the first sentence. Might have been cathartic. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 27, 2023 19:20:14 GMT -5
The Top 100 for this camp is not limited to a single class. There are dozens of 2025 guys (maybe a 2026 here and there too) thrown in.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 28, 2023 16:53:08 GMT -5
"Four-star C Thomas Sorber (Archbishop Ryan/PA) scored from multiple levels, which he has shown throughout his EYBL play this summer. The Georgetown commitment is a wide-bodied big who can carve out space on the block and finish over his right and left shoulder. He also knocked down multiple pick-and-pop threes here. A lot to like about his continued trajectory." www.on3.com/news/nbpa-top-100-camp-day-1-top-performers/ |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 28, 2023 17:47:21 GMT -5
An offensive juggernaut.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 29, 2023 11:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 1, 2023 12:27:56 GMT -5
I’m kinda over the “Bigman U” narrative but I love everything about this kid!!
Being noted for setting solid screens is very very very rare at the HS level especially for highly regarded players…
Sorber has been bought into playing big all summer with Team Final. His starring in his role has resulted in his travel team boasting one of the best winning records in all of grassroots. He brought that mentality to camp. It seemed as if he was bought into everything required of a player at his position. He set meaningful screens, ran the floor, finished plays, and was a true defensive presence patrolling the paint. His mindset to the game fits an Ed Cooley type of identity. The Hoyas are known for their big men, and Sorber is bound to live up to the prestigious standard in his own way.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 3, 2023 10:13:40 GMT -5
"10 must-see matchups at this year's Nike Peach Jam The Nike Peach Jam tips off on Monday and will feature a plethora of big time match ups... TEAM CPC V. TEAM FINAL When: Wednesday 1:30 PM ET What to watch for: Talk about perimeter firepower. Both of these teams are loaded. CP3 will roll out five-stars Drake Powell and Isaiah Evans who are ticketed for North Carolina and Duke along with four-star Bishop Boswell. Yet, Team Final won’t be entering the game outmanned. Shooting guard Jalil Bethea is among the purest scorers in the class of 2024, Baylor bound Rob Wright is a stud at the point and physical scorer Ahmad Nowell will pose a serious challenge. Nowell is set to decide between Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Tennessee and UConn in the near future. As for Bethea, he has all of the country’s top programs chasing after him. While all eyes are going to be on the elite perimeter players, this game will also give a guy like Final’s Georgetown-bound big man, Thomas Sorber, a chance to make another jump in the rankings." 247sports.com/longformarticle/college-basketball-recruiting-10-match-ups-to-watch-at-nike-peac-212378170/#2192024 |
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