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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 4, 2023 9:33:55 GMT -5
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Post by jackofjoy on Jul 4, 2023 14:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 5, 2023 12:42:42 GMT -5
For anyone who's interested Team Final & Sorber are gonna be on NBA TV in a bit(the prior game is in OT).
John Fanta & Adam Finklestein will be on the call
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 5, 2023 13:10:02 GMT -5
For anyone who's interested Team Final & Sorber are gonna be on NBA TV in a bit(the prior game is in OT). John Fanta & Adam Finklestein will be on the call Enjoyable to watch Sorber - the kid knows how to play. Uses his body well, fundamentally sound, good around the basket. He's a bit heavy-legged and doesn't stand out as a run/jump athlete, which is actually a plus from a Georgetown standpoint as I think it means he'll stay in college several years. Really excited about Sorber as a prospect. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 5, 2023 13:46:30 GMT -5
17 and 8 for Sorber at the beginning of the 4th quarter - dominating this game.
Elite screener on the PNR.
CP3 doesn't have anybody Sorber's size, so it will be interesting to watch him go up against somebody 6'9"+ and athletic. Reminds me of a combination of Sam Perkins, Elton Brand and Armando Bacot.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 5, 2023 14:02:07 GMT -5
Finished with 17 and 11 according to the announcers - Team Final is loaded, would love to see them match up against Team Takeover.
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Post by thedragon on Jul 5, 2023 14:09:32 GMT -5
Sorber was mighty impressive today against a solid CP3 team.
His hands are absolute hoovers. Sucks everything in. His touch around the rim is excellent. Finished via PnR dunk, lefty and one, baby hook/push shot. Missed a baseline 15 footer in and out - form looked solid.
His PnR defense was mostly excellent and his IQ on switches and replacements was better than I expected.
Team Final uses him as their pressure release middle look in press break which tells you what their staff thinks of his passing ability.
Also seems like a prime candidate to see some great body improvement in a college S&C program.
His only minus is probably his pure athleticism is lacking, but he defends and contests well and uses his frame well on the glass.
Hard to not get really excited about his future prospects as a Hoya.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 5, 2023 14:16:29 GMT -5
17 and 8 for Sorber at the beginning of the 4th quarter - dominating this game. Elite screener on the PNR. CP3 doesn't have anybody Sorber's size, so it will be interesting to watch him go up against somebody 6'9"+ and athletic. Reminds me of a combination of Sam Perkins, Elton Brand and Armando Bacot. I don't see the Perkins comp but agree with the Brand & Bacot. Impossible not to be excited about his potential.. |
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Post by thedragon on Jul 5, 2023 15:20:33 GMT -5
17 and 8 for Sorber at the beginning of the 4th quarter - dominating this game. Elite screener on the PNR. CP3 doesn't have anybody Sorber's size, so it will be interesting to watch him go up against somebody 6'9"+ and athletic. Reminds me of a combination of Sam Perkins, Elton Brand and Armando Bacot. I don't see the Perkins comp but agree with the Brand & Bacot. Impossible not to be excited about his potential.. He gave me Othella Harrington vibes. |
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Post by sweetness on Jul 5, 2023 19:24:34 GMT -5
This kid seems like someone to really build around. Would think a lot of recruits would be excited to play alongside him.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 6, 2023 7:50:50 GMT -5
I don't see the Perkins comp but agree with the Brand & Bacot. Impossible not to be excited about his potential.. He gave me Othella Harrington vibes. Taller than O. Better rim protector than O and seems better capable at switching. Finishes through context better than Othella. Much better passer than O. Can go over both shoulders better than O. Has even better hands than O. Doesn’t need to gather or over-pump to get off his shots next to the basket unlike O often did. Othella remains one of my all time Hoya faves and I frankly thought JT didn’t use him properly. He needed to be a PF working on his face up game and paired next to a long five (Rasheed Wallace would have been perfect if he picked the Hoyas). I think Othella’s rebounding numbers were outstanding in high school but it did not translate to that level of dominance in college. In short Sorber does not remind me of Othella at all. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 6, 2023 7:55:03 GMT -5
This kid seems like someone to really build around. Would think a lot of recruits would be excited to play alongside him. Recruits don’t necessarily think like that anymore unless the player is in their actual class. Players leave so quickly now when they are merely good that it’s hard to draw recruits in the following years with the promise of playing with the particular player. Instead one hopes that if a player leaves successfully for the NBA draft, recruits down the road will be drawn to the program’s ability to send guys to the pros. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 6, 2023 8:46:32 GMT -5
"Peach Jam: Day 3 Top Performers... 4. Four-star C Thomas Sorber (Georgetown) Thomas Sorber is a strong presence in the paint, but what makes him so successful is he is more nimble than you expect. He has good feet on the block, with soft hands and touch going over both shoulders. Sorber sets up a wide base when establishing position; he sits low and gives a big target. With the ball, Sorber is an excellent passer, going away from the double team, finding open teammates. If left with single coverage, he is patient on the block with a couple of go-to moves he is confident in with some counters to play off those moves. Sorber is a tough cover as a five, capable of making plaus consistently. Sorber is the No. 27 player in the 2024 On3 150. The 6-foot-10 Georgetown commitment finishd with 17 points and 11 rebounds in the win to move to 3-0 in Peach Jam." www.on3.com/news/peach-jam-day-3-top-performers-cooper-flagg/ |
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Post by Elvado on Jul 6, 2023 8:47:28 GMT -5
He gave me Othella Harrington vibes. Taller than O. Better rim protector than O and seems better capable at switching. Finishes through context better than Othella. Much better passer than O. Can go over both shoulders better than O. Has even better hands than O. Doesn’t need to gather or over-pump to get off his shots next to the basket unlike O often did. Othella remains one of my all time Hoya faves and I frankly thought JT didn’t use him properly. He needed to be a PF working on his face up game and paired next to a long five (Rasheed Wallace would have been perfect if he picked the Hoyas). I think Othella’s rebounding numbers were outstanding in high school but it did not translate to that level of dominance in college. Ok In short Sorber does not remind me of Othella at all. Othella always struck me as a superior basketball player without being a superior athlete. Put another way, his skills far outstripped his natural ability. Kind of a bizarro Macklin if you will. |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Jul 6, 2023 10:41:09 GMT -5
All the names mentioned as possible comps for Sorber were highly successful, if not dominant, college players. That should make Hoya fans excited to see him play.
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Post by kghoya on Jul 6, 2023 10:52:56 GMT -5
He gave me Othella Harrington vibes. Taller than O. Better rim protector than O and seems better capable at switching. Finishes through context better than Othella. Much better passer than O. Can go over both shoulders better than O. Has even better hands than O. Doesn’t need to gather or over-pump to get off his shots next to the basket unlike O often did. Othella remains one of my all time Hoya faves and I frankly thought JT didn’t use him properly. He needed to be a PF working on his face up game and paired next to a long five (Rasheed Wallace would have been perfect if he picked the Hoyas). I think Othella’s rebounding numbers were outstanding in high school but it did not translate to that level of dominance in college. In short Sorber does not remind me of Othella at all. Those teams needed more from Duane Spencer. |
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Post by thedragon on Jul 6, 2023 11:48:36 GMT -5
Taller than O. Better rim protector than O and seems better capable at switching. Finishes through context better than Othella. Much better passer than O. Can go over both shoulders better than O. Has even better hands than O. Doesn’t need to gather or over-pump to get off his shots next to the basket unlike O often did. Othella remains one of my all time Hoya faves and I frankly thought JT didn’t use him properly. He needed to be a PF working on his face up game and paired next to a long five (Rasheed Wallace would have been perfect if he picked the Hoyas). I think Othella’s rebounding numbers were outstanding in high school but it did not translate to that level of dominance in college. Ok In short Sorber does not remind me of Othella at all. Othella always struck me as a superior basketball player without being a superior athlete. Put another way, his skills far outstripped his natural ability. Kind of a bizarro Macklin if you will. And thus why the comp I made...not overly athletic but highly skilled. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 6, 2023 13:00:35 GMT -5
O wasn’t highly skilled though. Or he left all of those skills in his high school gym in order to fit Thompson’s style. Outside of one truly remarkable game at UConn in his freshman season during which he looked like he was going to be an offensive beast, he was mostly a standard style big man of that era.
Like virtually all of the top Hoya bigs he wasn’t a good passer.. His ball- handling was nonexistent and his jumpsuit seemed to be put away in storage because it barely made an appearance in college. And his footwork was pedestrian. So how could he be highly skilled? He had good hands and a soft touch. He had a wide and strong body. But he needed to work on his skills and face up game more because he lacked height (probably closer to 6’7), lacked lift and lacked speed. Back in the day during his soph and junior seasons, people like Wilbon were saying that Don Reid would possibly be the better pro because he was quicker, more athletic and was the superior defender. Don had zero touch with his hands though, could never make a shot past three feet and had zero post moves. O had at least a couple of post moves. Problem was that just like Alonzo, Othella could only go one way. And he had no counter if defenses took that away. Which is why Othella’s first season was easily his best statistically. Defenses figured out his limitations eventually . And then of course by his junior year Iverson arrives and he was mostly incompatible with Othella’s style (there is a reason why O would praise Joey Brown’s name long after his days at GU).
Othella was resilient though. Worked his butt off, still put up decent numbers and barely whined about how he was being used his final two seasons, despite playing for a coach who seemed incapable or unwilling to put him in a better position to maximize his abilities. That last part cost O from being a first round pick imo; he became the first pick in the second round. Travis Knight of UConn went one spot in the draft ahead of O, taking that last first round slot. O ended up having the better pro career than Knight however.
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Post by thedragon on Jul 6, 2023 13:16:38 GMT -5
He gave me Othella Harrington vibes. Taller than O. Better rim protector than O and seems better capable at switching. Finishes through context better than Othella. Much better passer than O. Can go over both shoulders better than O. Has even better hands than O. Doesn’t need to gather or over-pump to get off his shots next to the basket unlike O often did. Othella remains one of my all time Hoya faves and I frankly thought JT didn’t use him properly. He needed to be a PF working on his face up game and paired next to a long five (Rasheed Wallace would have been perfect if he picked the Hoyas). I think Othella’s rebounding numbers were outstanding in high school but it did not translate to that level of dominance in college. In short Sorber does not remind me of Othella at all. Agree to disagree MCI. Othella averaged 27 points, 25 board, and 6 blocks per game in Jackson, MS while having the offense run through him at the HS level. Theres a great NYT write-up from 1992 that you can find on the interwebs. He was a mid athlete, but had soft hands and constantly improving footwork. He and Sorber are an inch apart in height. O was a better rim protector in HS than Sorber. And his wide body frame allowed him to absorb contact, although as his career unfolded and his lack of size and lack of footspeed played a more prominent role, his faceup game became the priority. Exactly what Sorber and his coaches are now emphasizing for similar reasons. At the end of the day, if Sorber ended up being a late 1st round NBA pick and would have a 12 year NBA career I think all parties would sign up for that. But getting back on thread, Sorber is a very talented big that will earn minutes (like Big O) from day 1 and excited to see him continue to grow his game this season. |
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Post by bostonfan on Jul 6, 2023 13:30:09 GMT -5
Othella always struck me as a superior basketball player without being a superior athlete. Put another way, his skills far outstripped his natural ability. Kind of a bizarro Macklin if you will. And thus why the comp I made...not overly athletic but highly skilled. Sounds like another past Hoya, Jessie Govan!!! Jessie was a very good college player |
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