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Post by thedragon on Jan 30, 2024 10:40:18 GMT -5
Sorber will not be the #4 big.
The thing to me that stands out about Sorbers blocked shots is the use of both hands. At the HS level, blocking with your off hand or even both hands is a hard skill to find instinctually. Shoot, I'm not sure theres a current player on this year's Gtown roster who has the skillset.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Jan 30, 2024 11:01:58 GMT -5
For the most part, I'm just using the number as the distinction where i think he'll fall (inside the rotation) vs Drew (just outside) in a 4-bigman setup.
Unless he's unexpectedly UNready, he's going to play a bunch next year. But counting on him to be a starter is silly.
He may be our big man with the most talent/potential, but the odds that he's 100% physically & mentally ready to excel at the 2nd hardest position in the floor - against 22 & 23 year old men - is almost nil.
If it's the talented 4 + Cook starting in that scenario, it simply means that he & the big 5 are bench guys. Call him #3 or #4 if you want... that's just the total number of frontcourt guys we're going to need to be a really competitive team IME.
We need both offense & defense up front in the offseason, and I'm not sure how we're gonna get that in a single package via the portal. Hence the two additions.
My gut says it's maybe just as likely that we'll only add 1 rotation/starter big - and Drew will be #4 - but I don't personally see how somebody that talented (another Dickinson type) is going to fall into our laps. With that foursome, you're still counting on question marks, and we need to move beyond that ASAP.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 30, 2024 12:59:16 GMT -5
We need four bigs next year. If Cook returns, there's one. I've got Sorber penciled in as the #4 big to start the year, and Drew as #5. I'm looking for a well-rounded 4 who can play both ends but skews 4/5, instead of 4/3. So... a Hopkins type - at least the bigger version of BH. Also - a big defender 5, who could play anywhere from 5-25 minutes if need be. Think Onyenso, Bediako type. These guys are a dime a dozen, really. YMMV on production here, but this spot is not about that. Lots of flexibility in that foursome. Depth, too. Gives Fielder another year to develop, and hopefully take that next step. Allows you to bring Sorber along at whatever pace he needs. I don't see any scenario where Drew is "#5" next year. If we bring in TWO transfer bigs AND Sorber and he's the 5th big in the pecking order, I'd guess there's a near 100% chance he goes elsewhere. I wouldn't blame him, and I'd expect that he'd have several P6 options. You may not mind if we lose him, or think it's a sacrifice worth making if we can land two other quality big guys--that much is certainly arguable. But I don't think there's any scenario where he hangs around to be the 5th big guy in the pecking order, so if you're projecting out the roster I think you can scrap that idea. In fact I think it's very questionable whether he hangs around to be the 4th big in the rotation, let alone the 5th. In this day in age it is very difficult to stack talent on talent. If you have a 4 man front court rotation, the 4th man is probably going to be either a) a freshman who is confident he will move into the first or second slot in the pecking order by next year or b) somebody who is a fringe high major talent, who doesn't have a ton of options to jump to another high major situation (or perhaps who transferred in from a low or mid-major and is just happy to be playing at a high major). You MIGHT be able to convince a strong soph or junior with options to hang in there, but that usually only works if the team is very successful. Jay Wright's teams at Villanova were really good at this, but that kind of culture is something of an outlier. Guys tend to be a little more patient and willing to wait their turn if the vibes are great and the team is winning at the highest level, but in general it's tough to do. And as charismatic as Cooley is, I'm not sure anybody will go into this off-season thinking "there's no way I could leave this program" just given the on-court results. This thread is about Sorber, and I don't see him being #4 in the rotation either really. It would be great if we were at the point where a Top 50 freshman could be our 4th big, maybe the 9th man on the team, getting spot minutes here and there to get acclimated but not being depended on for anything. But I just don't see it, I can't imagine us bringing in not one but TWO bigs who are better than him via the portal. I think the realistic best case would be that we add one high quality big guy who can protect the rim a bit via the portal + Cooley convinces Fielder to stay, and we have Cook + Transfer + Sorber + Fielder. Would be a solid rotation next year--not the best front court in the country by any means, but solid--and would put us in a decent position for the following year too. |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 30, 2024 13:38:11 GMT -5
Sorber gonna start Day 1 (or damn close to it if Cooley wants him to "earn" the starting spot after a game or 2). No one on the current roster is taking time away from Sorber and my strong suspicion is that Cooley is not going to use the transfer portal to recruit over Sorber.
If done properly, this re-boot is going to be built on the successful recruiting and multi-year retention of top-flight high school recruits and using the transfer portal to fill gaps and add around the edges to enhance the team's current talent.
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 30, 2024 15:03:41 GMT -5
Sorber gonna start Day 1 (or damn close to it if Cooley wants him to "earn" the starting spot after a game or 2). No one on the current roster is taking time away from Sorber and my strong suspicion is that Cooley is not going to use the transfer portal to recruit over Sorber. If done properly, this re-boot is going to be built on the successful recruiting and multi-year retention of top-flight high school recruits and using the transfer portal to fill gaps and add around the edges to enhance the team's current talent. You think he’s going to start over Cook day one? |
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Post by dense on Jan 30, 2024 17:12:38 GMT -5
Sorber gonna start Day 1 (or damn close to it if Cooley wants him to "earn" the starting spot after a game or 2). No one on the current roster is taking time away from Sorber and my strong suspicion is that Cooley is not going to use the transfer portal to recruit over Sorber. If done properly, this re-boot is going to be built on the successful recruiting and multi-year retention of top-flight high school recruits and using the transfer portal to fill gaps and add around the edges to enhance the team's current talent. You think he’s going to start over Cook day one? I've probably seen him the most of anyone on this board and I don't think that. I think he will be by mid-season a starter either beside him or in front of him. He provides something Cook doesn't. Cook doesn't have the hands or the game to make a difficult catch in traffic and finish consistently. Sorber is very graceful and has great hands. Also he does something Cook can't do at all, pass out of the post and block shots. |
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 30, 2024 20:01:07 GMT -5
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 30, 2024 22:07:44 GMT -5
You think he’s going to start over Cook day one? I've probably seen him the most of anyone on this board and I don't think that. I think he will be by mid-season a starter either beside him or in front of him. He provides something Cook doesn't. Cook doesn't have the hands or the game to make a difficult catch in traffic and finish consistently. Sorber is very graceful and has great hands. Also he does something Cook can't do at all, pass out of the post and block shots. They seem very complimentary and will play side by side to anchor the post. Epps and Styles. Then probably a new face good shooter to swing the 2/3. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 30, 2024 23:51:04 GMT -5
People really focus too much on who will start. When freshman first come in, it's fairly common for them to start off the bench as they get acclimated. If Sorber is even close to as good as the reports indicate, he is going to play substantial minutes next year regardless of whether he starts. Cook has upped his offensive game this year, but he's still abysmal on defense. There is a lot of room for Sorber. And he will not be the 4th big in line.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 31, 2024 0:01:45 GMT -5
Sorber is a starter next year for us. Period.
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Post by dense on Jan 31, 2024 0:11:07 GMT -5
I saw the game where he played Queen and he didn't back down to him. Played well thru foul trouble. He also wasn't in shape like he is now when that game occurred. |
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Post by bills on Jan 31, 2024 9:16:39 GMT -5
People really focus too much on who will start. When freshman first come in, it's fairly common for them to start off the bench as they get acclimated. If Sorber is even close to as good as the reports indicate, he is going to play substantial minutes next year regardless of whether he starts. Cook has upped his offensive game this year, but he's still abysmal on defense. There is a lot of room for Sorber. And he will not be the 4th big in line. I agree with you |
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Post by thedragon on Jan 31, 2024 20:11:17 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 31, 2024 23:54:47 GMT -5
We need four bigs next year. If Cook returns, there's one. I've got Sorber penciled in as the #4 big to start the year, and Drew as #5. I'm looking for a well-rounded 4 who can play both ends but skews 4/5, instead of 4/3. So... a Hopkins type - at least the bigger version of BH. Also - a big defender 5, who could play anywhere from 5-25 minutes if need be. Think Onyenso, Bediako type. These guys are a dime a dozen, really. YMMV on production here, but this spot is not about that. Lots of flexibility in that foursome. Depth, too. Gives Fielder another year to develop, and hopefully take that next step. Allows you to bring Sorber along at whatever pace he needs. Drew is not starting. He’s a role player only. |
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Post by dense on Feb 1, 2024 8:08:52 GMT -5
We need four bigs next year. If Cook returns, there's one. I've got Sorber penciled in as the #4 big to start the year, and Drew as #5. I'm looking for a well-rounded 4 who can play both ends but skews 4/5, instead of 4/3. So... a Hopkins type - at least the bigger version of BH. Also - a big defender 5, who could play anywhere from 5-25 minutes if need be. Think Onyenso, Bediako type. These guys are a dime a dozen, really. YMMV on production here, but this spot is not about that. Lots of flexibility in that foursome. Depth, too. Gives Fielder another year to develop, and hopefully take that next step. Allows you to bring Sorber along at whatever pace he needs. Drew is not starting. He’s a role player only. Can't make that determination yet. He needs to lift all summer. If the S&C coach does his job he will could be something sooner rather than later. All his problems on the court come from not being physical enough. |
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Post by reformation on Feb 1, 2024 9:40:41 GMT -5
Would think no way Sorber does not start next year. I guess it's possible Cooley does not start him day 1, more of a coaching philosophy + player personality--if he is comfortable day 1 I suspect he starts. He seems like he is improving quickly, and talent wise I don't think it's really a question.
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Post by practice on Feb 1, 2024 13:14:12 GMT -5
I think Sorber is 5 -- but Cooley needs to find some of JT3's old stuff for Monroe at the top of the key passing -- and Drew should work on his quickness and be a ridiculous stretch 4. He's shooting 40% from 3 this season and it's no fluke. He's a 3 point threat.
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Post by thedragon on Feb 1, 2024 20:08:48 GMT -5
1. I think Sorber starts or starts soon after season begins.
2. I think he plays the 4 position as his main spot.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 2, 2024 17:25:48 GMT -5
1. I think Sorber starts or starts soon after season begins. 2. I think he plays the 4 position as his main spot. I think of Sorber playing the 4 and I start worrying about mismatches where he doesn't have the lateral mobility to guard a wing. Instead I wish I could focus on our mismatches. If Sorber is guarded by a wing (like a Massoud or Styles or Bristol), he drops to the paint, posts up and dominates. If the opponent big switches to Sorber, Sorbers comes back to the high post and the 5 (say Fielder or Cook) posts up the wing on the switch. I hope Sorber continues his fitness trend and takes it as seriously as Mourning did. I use to see him jogging all over Georgetown. |
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Post by dense on Feb 2, 2024 22:36:40 GMT -5
Sorber played tremendously tonight but unfortunately looks like he got a hard shot in the back from a kid and left the game midway thru the 3rd quarter up by 15 points. Didn't return, they didn't need him. Had about 20pts 12 reb 3 blocks before he left. Announcer mentioned that he was averaging 7 blocks per game this year. Didn't look serious the injury. He was taking pictures with fans after the game.
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