DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2023 13:35:05 GMT -5
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 21, 2023 13:40:18 GMT -5
Either way it's good. Glad he recognized it if that's the case Who cares who is doing it... Y'all just a bunch of whiners.. Lol it’s not about whining my dude, the program has been broken internally for a long time, you just have to look at the other sports at gtown that run really well internally and externally for fans. If reed is the one doing it then it is going to continue to improve and him and cooley working together could make a world of difference in fan engagement, operations, etc |
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Post by bluechi on Mar 21, 2023 13:48:59 GMT -5
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Post by bluechi on Mar 21, 2023 13:53:54 GMT -5
Sounds good. But, call me cynical, because I’ll need more than Goodman and his “source” to take it to the bank. Then there’s also the issue of other financial commitments, such as the amount of money for assistants. On a side note he and Cooley are friends or at least they text back and forth |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 21, 2023 13:56:10 GMT -5
If he brings us a winning program and makes us forget the Ewing years, I really don't care what they pay him.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 21, 2023 14:01:52 GMT -5
Sounds good. But, call me cynical, because I’ll need more than Goodman and his “source” to take it to the bank. Then there’s also the issue of other financial commitments, such as the amount of money for assistants. And, if you look at it that way, there is the offsetting amount of money we can get from Nike if Cooley gets the program back where it belongs. We already get much more than PC does, but that can go way up too if he gets it done. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2023 14:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by ksf42001 on Mar 21, 2023 14:06:32 GMT -5
Providence fans online are getting really scummy about this move (more so than even yesterday)...
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 21, 2023 14:11:04 GMT -5
Sounds good. But, call me cynical, because I’ll need more than Goodman and his “source” to take it to the bank. Then there’s also the issue of other financial commitments, such as the amount of money for assistants. Right, but that's not money for Cooley. Neither is NLI money. It seems pretty obvious to me that while the extra money is nice, the real reason for the move ranged between something different, a new challenge and the upside of Georgetown over what he could do at Providence. I understand why people are hung up on other options. But I don't give a crap about how much the University pays him. I don’t really care either as long as it doesn’t affect commitments to other programs, now and in the future, which is the unspoken issue in these salary discussions. Because of the ridiculous extension handed out to Patrick, our immediate spending on a head coach is Cooley + Ewing, not just Cooley. |
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 21, 2023 14:12:42 GMT -5
Providence fans online are getting really scummy about this move (more so than even yesterday)... That's to be expected. Just imagine what people on this board would be saying if we lost a winning coach to another Big East school for a reportedly $500,000 more per year. |
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 21, 2023 14:20:03 GMT -5
Providence fans online are getting really scummy about this move (more so than even yesterday)... That's to be expected. Just imagine what people on this board would be saying if we lost a winning coach to another Big East school for a reportedly $500,000 more per year. They are likely coming to the realization that Cooley wanted the move because of a perceived ceiling at PC. |
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 21, 2023 14:21:11 GMT -5
Edwards must have been great to get double digit assists 2 years before he arrived… Your aged memory is better than mine. I thought we were the same year, but apparently not. 86-87 Frosh guards were Dwayne Bryant and Mark "Frogger" Tillmon |
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2023 14:22:25 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2023 14:31:17 GMT -5
Q & A in the WaPo with Svrluga and Kilgore with three questions re: Hoyas. Both give positive responses re: the Cooley hiring. 1. Am I the only one who thinks Georgetown paying Calipari money to a guy with three NCAA tournament wins in 17 seasons isn't exactly wise? And I thought the plan was to move past the John Thompson tree? Instead, they solely targeted one of the few still-active coaches whom Thompson spoke well of (they even share attorneys, allegedly). How is this a fresh start, other than getting rid of a disaster in Patrick Ewing? Is this school ever going to learn its lessons? They needed to blow up the program, and that means someone with zero ties to the Thompson family. 2. Will any reporters have the guts to ask Georgetown why they did such a low-class move poaching a coach from within the conference? This is the Big East, not the SEC. 3. Is Ed Cooley a good hire? Georgetown grad here. It's really sad that apparently the greatest player in school history just can't coach. I'm sure that any other coach without that name would have been fired at least two years ago, if not sooner. I'm sure I'm like a lot of folks that lost interest in following closely over the past several years. I hope I can get that back. I'm more of a casual basketball fan than a real fanatic about it, but I can't even remember bothering to check the game scores recently. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/03/21/march-madness-ncaa-tournament/ |
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Post by drquigley on Mar 21, 2023 14:31:23 GMT -5
I think all we Hoya fans have to acknowledge that RIGHT NOW we don't need a head coach who will get us to the final four. Rather we need a head coach who can get this program back to "normalcy" and by that I mean 10+ BE wins a year, occasional win over top 10 teams, meaningful games in February, and maybe an NCAA bid in the next 3-4 years. Also restore some of the "glow" associated with Hoya basketball and definitely get the student body and alumni excited again about the program. I think Cooley can do that and maybe position his successor the get us back to the mountaintop. To use a lame analogy, right now we don't need someone who can get this train to NCAA glory, we just need someone who can get it back on the tracks. I can agree with this if the Salary is under $6 million a year. Cause you don't give that type of money for a Sweet 16 every 12 years and maybe an NCAA bid in the next 3 to 4 years. For $6 million a year, got to see some Final 4's and a Championship banner. Not just being happy to get to the tournament cause as a coach that's your job to at least get to the tournament Example is Purdue's Matt Painter $3.58 million/year Will Purdue Fire Coach Matt Painter With $16M Contract
We have all seen Purdue and Matt Painter for 3 straight years with #3, #2,, #1, Seeds and underwhelm in the NCAA Tournament. Granted if Matt Painer is at Georgetown he can stay forever as long has gets to the tournament but he is not getting $6 million per year either. The more you get paid the higher should be the expectation of results, I think that's a fair assessment. I can see where you're coming from but you have to step back and see where we are right now. Right now not just the team but the whole program is in the crapper. My point is that a guy like Cooley might be just the right person to elevate the program itself to a point where the the Final Four and a Championship banner will come but for right now...baby steps. |
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Post by practice on Mar 21, 2023 14:53:02 GMT -5
Who cares how much Cooley is paid? The last 24 hours has taught us that Georgetown believes it was affordable to pay Ewing off, presumably buy out Cooley, likely commit to rustling up significant NIL and signing Cooley to a multi-year deal that is probably guaranteed at $5M ... guess what ... Georgetown can afford it. The school has plenty of wealthy donors and a $3.2B endowment. None of us need to lose any sleep over affordability. If Cooley wins, whatever we pay him will soon seem like a distant memory ... if he loses, whatever he's paid will seem wildly out of whack. Last I checked, this was an opinion message board and not a crowdsourcing website.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 21, 2023 14:58:02 GMT -5
Who cares how much Cooley is paid? The last 24 hours has taught us that Georgetown believes it was affordable to pay Ewing off, presumably buy out Cooley, likely commit to rustling up significant NIL and signing Cooley to a multi-year deal that is probably guaranteed at $5M ... guess what ... Georgetown can afford it. The school has plenty of wealthy donors and a $3.2B endowment. None of us need to lose any sleep over affordability. If Cooley wins, whatever we pay him will soon seem like a distant memory ... if he loses, whatever he's paid will seem wildly out of whack. Last I checked, this was an opinion message board and not a crowdsourcing website. Is this because of the history of fiscal responsibility in the basketball program? Do you have any interest in the effect on financial support for any other programs? |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 21, 2023 15:29:09 GMT -5
Who cares how much Cooley is paid? The last 24 hours has taught us that Georgetown believes it was affordable to pay Ewing off, presumably buy out Cooley, likely commit to rustling up significant NIL and signing Cooley to a multi-year deal that is probably guaranteed at $5M ... guess what ... Georgetown can afford it. The school has plenty of wealthy donors and a $3.2B endowment. None of us need to lose any sleep over affordability. If Cooley wins, whatever we pay him will soon seem like a distant memory ... if he loses, whatever he's paid will seem wildly out of whack. Last I checked, this was an opinion message board and not a crowdsourcing website. Is this because of the history of fiscal responsibility in the basketball program? Do you have any interest in the effect on financial support for any other programs? Many wealthy donors are not interested in ponying up for general scholarship funds or Olympic sports, but are very interested in ponying up to secure a spot in DeGioia's suite at basketball games, some one-on-one time with the coach (especially if the coach is *personable*), etc. etc. Most funds are not truly fungible. |
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 21, 2023 16:21:43 GMT -5
Is this because of the history of fiscal responsibility in the basketball program? Do you have any interest in the effect on financial support for any other programs? Many wealthy donors are not interested in ponying up for general scholarship funds or Olympic sports, but are very interested in ponying up to secure a spot in DeGioia's suite at basketball games, some one-on-one time with the coach (especially if the coach is *personable*), etc. etc. Most funds are not truly fungible. Thanks for the answer, esp. because I know you to be knowledgeable about this stuff. Is it fair to say that expenditures for men’s basketball have no effect on money spent for other sports? This is not intended as as an argument against Coach Cooley, but the reality is we are now paying about 9 mil. annually for our head coaches. I’m just trying to figure out the trade offs for other student-athletes when someone says “who cares about the cost.” |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2023 16:21:58 GMT -5
Your aged memory is better than mine. I thought we were the same year, but apparently not. 86-87 Frosh guards were Dwayne Bryant and Mark "Frogger" Tillmon My roommate loved to play Frogger in ‘86-‘87 in the Healey basement game room. 😎 |
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