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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 21, 2023 17:45:20 GMT -5
This is not intended as as an argument against Coach Cooley, but the reality is we are now paying about 9 mil. annually for our head coaches. I’m just trying to figure out the trade offs for other student-athletes when someone says “who cares about the cost.” The only reason we are paying $9 million annually for head coaches is because Jack DeGioia gave Ewing a negligent extension in 2021. If not for that, it would be $5 million. That's not on Cooley. It's on DeGioia, who will hopefully have to answer to someone for that financial malfeasance. I do get your point on trade-offs, but I think frankly that's dependent on where the money comes from. If it's just benefactors of basketball who gave money to buy out Ewing and bring in Cooley (and any NIL money by definition is not the university's money) then there is no "trade-off" if those people otherwise wouldn't be donating the same sums to Georgetown for other reasons. That said, you could have given me any amount in the world, and I would not have used it to cover for DeGioia's mistake with the extension. It won't happen, but he should be the one paying for that. |
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 21, 2023 18:11:30 GMT -5
86-87 Frosh guards were Dwayne Bryant and Mark "Frogger" Tillmon My roommate loved to play Frogger in ‘86-‘87 in the Healey basement game room. 😎 My recollection from my buds in New South was that "Frogger" was a nickname given based on Mark's ups |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2023 18:43:45 GMT -5
My roommate loved to play Frogger in ‘86-‘87 in the Healey basement game room. 😎 My recollection from my buds in New South was that "Frogger" was a nickname given based on Mark's ups He could get up for sure. |
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 21, 2023 19:17:03 GMT -5
This is not intended as as an argument against Coach Cooley, but the reality is we are now paying about 9 mil. annually for our head coaches. I’m just trying to figure out the trade offs for other student-athletes when someone says “who cares about the cost.” The only reason we are paying $9 million annually for head coaches is because Jack DeGioia gave Ewing a negligent extension in 2021. If not for that, it would be $5 million. That's not on Cooley. It's on DeGioia, who will hopefully have to answer to someone for that financial malfeasance. I do get your point on trade-offs, but I think frankly that's dependent on where the money comes from. If it's just benefactors of basketball who gave money to buy out Ewing and bring in Cooley (and any NIL money by definition is not the university's money) then there is no "trade-off" if those people otherwise wouldn't be donating the same sums to Georgetown for other reasons. That said, you could have given me any amount in the world, and I would not have used it to cover for DeGioia's mistake with the extension. It won't happen, but he should be the one paying for that. Really, I agree. I certainly don't fault Cooley. It's just that I have a great deal of respect for our other sports, men and women, and hope Cooley and Pat's money does not adversely affect them. There are some coaches that we do not want to lose, and a prospective new hire for the women's program. Let's see a few bucks flow to them. |
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Post by thedragon on Mar 21, 2023 19:48:49 GMT -5
The level of theatrics from Providence is kind of amazing...
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 21, 2023 20:07:24 GMT -5
The level of theatrics from Providence is kind of amazing... Is this the PC student station? |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 21, 2023 20:45:39 GMT -5
The level of theatrics from Providence is kind of amazing... So the deal was done before March 3rd. Providence fabs can blame DeGioia for the way their season ended. |
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Post by thedragon on Mar 21, 2023 21:12:10 GMT -5
The level of theatrics from Providence is kind of amazing... Is this the PC student station? No. Local news. |
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Post by jackofjoy on Mar 21, 2023 21:25:40 GMT -5
This is not intended as as an argument against Coach Cooley, but the reality is we are now paying about 9 mil. annually for our head coaches. I’m just trying to figure out the trade offs for other student-athletes when someone says “who cares about the cost.” The only reason we are paying $9 million annually for head coaches is because Jack DeGioia gave Ewing a negligent extension in 2021. If not for that, it would be $5 million. That's not on Cooley. It's on DeGioia, who will hopefully have to answer to someone for that financial malfeasance. I do get your point on trade-offs, but I think frankly that's dependent on where the money comes from. If it's just benefactors of basketball who gave money to buy out Ewing and bring in Cooley (and any NIL money by definition is not the university's money) then there is no "trade-off" if those people otherwise wouldn't be donating the same sums to Georgetown for other reasons. That said, you could have given me any amount in the world, and I would not have used it to cover for DeGioia's mistake with the extension. It won't happen, but he should be the one paying for that. You’re an alum, so I know you know he won’t … |
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Post by jackofjoy on Mar 21, 2023 21:26:27 GMT -5
The level of theatrics from Providence is kind of amazing... Is this the PC student station? WHO CARES |
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 21, 2023 21:37:41 GMT -5
Is this the PC student station? WHO CARES Why all caps Jack? |
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Post by the_way on Mar 21, 2023 21:38:52 GMT -5
No cap. lol
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Post by bluegray79 on Mar 21, 2023 22:30:00 GMT -5
Haven't been reading all the posts here so please excuse any redundancies.
Let's be honest: one month ago, if I told you that we were going to hire Ed Cooley to be our coach, most of you (even the Pitino hopefuls like me) would have been pretty darn satisfied with that. Not only that, but look how it happened:
Fired Patrick Ewing.
Immediately announced and "carried out" a search for a new coach.
By March 20, they announce the hiring of a bonafide, proven, very good coach.
We all worried that Jack and Co. would screw it up by waiting too long and generally fudging it all up by misreading the field of candidates and being left with a bunch of semi-proven mid-major candidates. You can argue that it didn't happen as professionally and efficiently as described above, but here we are in late March in really place to start the renaissance of our MBB program.
There's things not to like, esp. for us Pitino hopefuls, and those things will figure themselves out and/or come back to bite us as the next couple of seasons unfold.
I find myself ruminating a lot about how it all happened and about what "the Georgetown Way" really is. First, if I were a Friar fan, I would be Editeded and sad and betrayed right now, and those feelings would not be going away anytime soon. I find no joy in mocking their pain and outrage at this moment, and anyone who has understood what Cooley and PC had knows that Cooley coming here and the way it transpired is not the way these past 12 years should have ended. It should leave us wondering. The tweets and posts ridiculing Cooley's long-time devotees come off sounding smug, condescending, and cheap -- not our best look.
Second, if Jack's reason for not even calling Pitino is (partly) due to adhering to doing things "the Georgetown Way", then are the events of this past week (actually months since Cooley and GU officials have been talking since January) "the Georgetown Way"? When I heard that we were in hot pursuit of Cooley, I had mixed feelings (intra-conference coach, big sums of money, lots of secretive maneuvering, etc.), but I figured this is the way it is now in college ball. It's a business & sometimes it gets rough. But what I really regretted is the air of big, rich Georgetown wanting this coach and coming up with whatever it took to get him. Was there actually a legit search? Hard to say, but doesn't seem so. The talks had been going on secretly for months. We seem to be o.k. with letting our prestige and good name carry us as we sometimes act in ways that belie the so-called "Georgetown Way". In the end, I'm happy for our players and overall for the school that our basketball team will get better, etc, but I can't condone the way it all came about. If it is as it seems, I don't think we lived up to the values extolled at the school, what I think of as "the Georgetown Way".
In the movie "The Mission" (Deniro, Neeson, Irons - a bunch of others -- great film -- see it if you haven't), 2 Jesuit priests are taking stock of some tragic events for which they were culpable in big ways. In an effort to console and perhaps explain what has happened, one priest says, "Thus is the world." (i.e., "hey, that's how things are. What can you do?") The older Jesuit replies "Thus have we made the world." I want to be matter-of-fact and say that this is the way things are now and everyone does it and who cares as long as we win and get things going again and however else we might justify it all. But, despite the hiring of a coach that will likely turn around the MBB program and make Georgetown basketball fun -- and maybe even great -- again, I feel like maybe we've lost a little something of what we all left campus with after our time and education on the Hilltop, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not sure Jack & Co. didn't screw this thing up in some more important ways.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 21, 2023 22:34:25 GMT -5
Haven't been reading all the posts here so please excuse any redundancies. Let's be honest: one month ago, if I told you that we were going to hire Ed Cooley to be our coach, most of you (even the Pitino hopefuls like me) would have been pretty darn satisfied with that. Not only that, but look how it happened: Fired Patrick Ewing. Immediately announced and "carried out" a search for a new coach. By March 20, they announce the hiring of a bonafide, proven, very good coach. We all worried that Jack and Co. would screw it up by waiting too long and generally fudging it all up by misreading the field of candidates and being left with a bunch of semi-proven mid-major candidates. You can argue that it didn't happen as professionally and efficiently as described above, but here we are in late March in really place to start the renaissance of our MBB program. There's things not to like, esp. for us Pitino hopefuls, and those things will figure themselves out and/or come back to bite us as the next couple of seasons unfold. I find myself ruminating a lot about how it all happened and about what "the Georgetown Way" really is. First, if I were a Friar fan, I would be Editeded and sad and betrayed right now, and those feelings would not be going away anytime soon. I find no joy in mocking their pain and outrage at this moment, and anyone who has understood what Cooley and PC had knows that Cooley coming here and the way it transpired is not the way these past 12 years should have ended. It should leave us wondering. The tweets and posts ridiculing Cooley's long-time devotees come off sounding smug, condescending, and cheap -- not our best look. Second, if Jack's reason for not even calling Pitino is (partly) due to adhering to doing things "the Georgetown Way", then are the events of this past week (actually months since Cooley and GU officials have been talking since January) "the Georgetown Way"? When I heard that we were in hot pursuit of Cooley, I had mixed feelings (intra-conference coach, big sums of money, lots of secretive maneuvering, etc.), but I figured this is the way it is now in college ball. It's a business & sometimes it gets rough. But what I really regretted is the air of big, rich Georgetown wanting this coach and coming up with whatever it took to get him. Was there actually a legit search? Hard to say, but doesn't seem so. The talks had been going on secretly for months. We seem to be o.k. with letting our prestige and good name carry us as we sometimes act in ways that belie the so-called "Georgetown Way". In the end, I'm happy for our players and overall for the school that our basketball team will get better, etc, but I can't condone the way it all came about. If it is as it seems, I don't think we lived up to the values extolled at the school, what I think of as "the Georgetown Way". In the movie "The Mission" (Deniro, Neeson, Irons - a bunch of others -- great film -- see it if you haven't), 2 Jesuit priests are taking stock of some tragic events for which they were culpable in big ways. In an effort to console and perhaps explain what has happened, one priest says, "Thus is the world." (i.e., "hey, that's how things are. What can you do?") The older Jesuit replies "Thus have we made the world." I want to be matter-of-fact and say that this is the way things are now and everyone does it and who cares as long as we win and get things going again and however else we might justify it all. But, despite the hiring of a coach that will likely turn around the MBB program and make Georgetown basketball fun -- and maybe even great -- again, I feel like maybe we've lost a little something of what we all left campus with after our time and education on the Hilltop, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not sure Jack & Co. didn't screw this thing up in some more important ways. Thank you for this post and being 1000X more articulate than I could be in summarizing the same feelings I have. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2023 22:54:45 GMT -5
The level of theatrics from Providence is kind of amazing... Marty Hershboredom seems butt hurt. Cooley even gave his former cohost the scoop on leaving for Georgetown . |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2023 22:59:59 GMT -5
The hiring of Cooley was a long time in the making. JDG didn’t get his guy, JT2 did. That doesn’t mean we can’t be successful, it just means we haven’t made a clean break from the past. I’m going to be optimistic and hope to take in some live games next season.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2023 23:02:04 GMT -5
The hiring of Cooley was a long time in the making. JDG didn’t get his guy, JT2 did. That doesn’t mean we can’t be successful, it just means we haven’t made a clean break from the past. I’m going to be optimistic and hope to take in some live games next season. Agreed. I believe he was the chosen successor if Ewing didn’t work out. Nothing wrong with that. |
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 21, 2023 23:26:08 GMT -5
Haven't been reading all the posts here so please excuse any redundancies. Let's be honest: one month ago, if I told you that we were going to hire Ed Cooley to be our coach, most of you (even the Pitino hopefuls like me) would have been pretty darn satisfied with that. Not only that, but look how it happened: Fired Patrick Ewing. Immediately announced and "carried out" a search for a new coach. By March 20, they announce the hiring of a bonafide, proven, very good coach. We all worried that Jack and Co. would screw it up by waiting too long and generally fudging it all up by misreading the field of candidates and being left with a bunch of semi-proven mid-major candidates. You can argue that it didn't happen as professionally and efficiently as described above, but here we are in late March in really place to start the renaissance of our MBB program. There's things not to like, esp. for us Pitino hopefuls, and those things will figure themselves out and/or come back to bite us as the next couple of seasons unfold. I find myself ruminating a lot about how it all happened and about what "the Georgetown Way" really is. First, if I were a Friar fan, I would be Editeded and sad and betrayed right now, and those feelings would not be going away anytime soon. I find no joy in mocking their pain and outrage at this moment, and anyone who has understood what Cooley and PC had knows that Cooley coming here and the way it transpired is not the way these past 12 years should have ended. It should leave us wondering. The tweets and posts ridiculing Cooley's long-time devotees come off sounding smug, condescending, and cheap -- not our best look. Second, if Jack's reason for not even calling Pitino is (partly) due to adhering to doing things "the Georgetown Way", then are the events of this past week (actually months since Cooley and GU officials have been talking since January) "the Georgetown Way"? When I heard that we were in hot pursuit of Cooley, I had mixed feelings (intra-conference coach, big sums of money, lots of secretive maneuvering, etc.), but I figured this is the way it is now in college ball. It's a business & sometimes it gets rough. But what I really regretted is the air of big, rich Georgetown wanting this coach and coming up with whatever it took to get him. Was there actually a legit search? Hard to say, but doesn't seem so. The talks had been going on secretly for months. We seem to be o.k. with letting our prestige and good name carry us as we sometimes act in ways that belie the so-called "Georgetown Way". In the end, I'm happy for our players and overall for the school that our basketball team will get better, etc, but I can't condone the way it all came about. If it is as it seems, I don't think we lived up to the values extolled at the school, what I think of as "the Georgetown Way". In the movie "The Mission" (Deniro, Neeson, Irons - a bunch of others -- great film -- see it if you haven't), 2 Jesuit priests are taking stock of some tragic events for which they were culpable in big ways. In an effort to console and perhaps explain what has happened, one priest says, "Thus is the world." (i.e., "hey, that's how things are. What can you do?") The older Jesuit replies "Thus have we made the world." I want to be matter-of-fact and say that this is the way things are now and everyone does it and who cares as long as we win and get things going again and however else we might justify it all. But, despite the hiring of a coach that will likely turn around the MBB program and make Georgetown basketball fun -- and maybe even great -- again, I feel like maybe we've lost a little something of what we all left campus with after our time and education on the Hilltop, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not sure Jack & Co. didn't screw this thing up in some more important ways. Thank you for this post and being 1000X more articulate than I could be in summarizing the same feelings I have. You are right that this was an incredibly thoughtful post. But you didn't want Cooley because you think he is mediocre. To suggest anything other than that based upon what you have posted here for months is just silly. |
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Post by jackofjoy on Mar 22, 2023 6:28:48 GMT -5
I’m old and cranky. Remembering when a little hate/fear/despising was good for the conference. |
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Post by bluechi on Mar 22, 2023 6:37:59 GMT -5
The hiring of Cooley was a long time in the making. JDG didn’t get his guy, JT2 did. That doesn’t mean we can’t be successful, it just means we haven’t made a clean break from the past. I’m going to be optimistic and hope to take in some live games next season. Source? |
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