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Post by Elvado on Mar 21, 2023 9:44:37 GMT -5
I had watched or listened to every Georgetown men's basketball game since the 1987 exhibition when David Edwards when went off for double-digit assists until this year when I just couldn't follow the program anymore. I completely checked out sometime after New Year's Day. Ewing was truly in over his head. Either he couldn't get those players to do what he wanted to do or what he wanted them to do was a really bad idea. I have never disliked Hoya players always finding a redeeming quality until this year when I couldn't stand some for their selfish, boneheaded, and lazy play. For everything Ewing did for the Georgetown program, he absolutely and unequivocally ran it into the ground. There is one word I would use to describe the Cooley hire - competent. It is not an unexpected reaction to the last two years. Ewing never demonstrated competence in so many aspects of the job. Cooley is the exact opposite. He has demonstrated he is capable in every dimension of running a big-time program. Hopefully, the thesis that the Georgetown platform provides Cooley the resources to have even greater success proves true. He has certainly paid his dues and is ready for perhaps the biggest spotlight in the conference. Edwards must have been great to get double digit assists 2 years before he arrived… |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 21, 2023 9:55:53 GMT -5
Pitino was always going to stay in NYC. No, he was not. I can not stress this enough, he wanted to come to GU and was making contact months ago. Can confirm the same thing - I had heard as early as last summer that interest was being made known. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 21, 2023 9:59:59 GMT -5
No, he was not. I can not stress this enough, he wanted to come to GU and was making contact months ago. Can confirm the same thing - I had heard as early as last summer that interest was being made known. I mean, Pitino all but came out and said it in the interview with Norlander of CBS Sports. And then a few days later, Norlander wrote that Georgetown was probably the best fit. Norlander doesn't write that without Pitino's influence. I realize there are some people who cannot believe Pitino would have wanted to coach Georgetown, but he did, and our administration turned him down. Hopefully, Cooley works out better than anybody can imagine. I think he'll be a really good hire and choice. But, if St. John's hits huge heights and we do not, you bet people are going to be talking about it. DeGioia had a once-in-a-program opportunity to hire a Hall of Fame coach, and chose not to. I am not going to dwell on it here, as I am excited to have Cooley on board, but this whole episode makes me fundamentally question DeGioia's leadership. At least the choice to bring Cooley on was a good one. |
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bluechi
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Post by bluechi on Mar 21, 2023 10:02:28 GMT -5
[Click on the Lee Reed image to see the whole thing. I don't want to take anything away from Ed Cooley here because I think he'll do a much better job with relationships with all stakeholders (alumni, fans, students, players, MSG security personnel who check IDs, his own assistants, etc etc), but this looks like Lee Reed stepping in right away to try to fix some of the stuff he knows is broken and that he may not have been empowered to do anything about in the last six years. If Lee Reed now has some degree of control to work on the basketball program that would be a huge step in the right direction. Either way it's good. Glad he recognized it if that's the case |
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Post by guru on Mar 21, 2023 10:06:13 GMT -5
Pitino was always going to stay in NYC. No, he was not. I can not stress this enough, he wanted to come to GU and was making contact months ago. Don’t you get it? People don’t believe you. |
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 21, 2023 10:07:02 GMT -5
I would take Cooley in a heartbeat. Ed hasnt had Shakas Texas resources and I want to see what he can do with them. I know Shaka ha 1 year run at VCU…..other than that, what has he ever done? Shakas run was with Antony Grants guys/recruits. Impressive motivator but has never been able to replicate that run with his own recruits. Kind of like Kevin Ollie winning the National Championship with Jim Calhoun recruits. You have to give Ollie Credit for winning six straight games but there are still questions Guess this can also be applied with JT3’s lone successful post-seasons with Esh’s recruits |
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 21, 2023 10:09:00 GMT -5
No, he was not. I can not stress this enough, he wanted to come to GU and was making contact months ago. Don’t you get it? People don’t believe you. Not believing vs. not wanting to believe are two different things imho |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2023 10:10:28 GMT -5
Shakas run was with Antony Grants guys/recruits. Impressive motivator but has never been able to replicate that run with his own recruits. Kind of like Kevin Ollie winning the National Championship with Jim Calhoun recruits. You have to give Ollie Credit for winning six straight games but there are still questions Guess this can also be applied with JT3’s lone successful post-seasons with Esh’s recruits Yes one could make that argument. All three were only able to do it with someone else’s recruits though in IIIs case they were JT2s recruits since JT2 was still running the show from all accounts. |
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Post by drquigley on Mar 21, 2023 10:11:08 GMT -5
I think all we Hoya fans have to acknowledge that RIGHT NOW we don't need a head coach who will get us to the final four. Rather we need a head coach who can get this program back to "normalcy" and by that I mean 10+ BE wins a year, occasional win over top 10 teams, meaningful games in February, and maybe an NCAA bid in the next 3-4 years. Also restore some of the "glow" associated with Hoya basketball and definitely get the student body and alumni excited again about the program. I think Cooley can do that and maybe position his successor the get us back to the mountaintop. To use a lame analogy, right now we don't need someone who can get this train to NCAA glory, we just need someone who can get it back on the tracks.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 21, 2023 10:15:23 GMT -5
Pitino was always going to stay in NYC. No, he was not. I can not stress this enough, he wanted to come to GU and was making contact months ago. Who actually knows? I've had very credible sources say the opposite. Regardless it doesn't matter because the admin was almost certainly not making that hire regardless what happened with Cooley. He's not here, move on. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 11:02:37 GMT -5
No, he was not. I can not stress this enough, he wanted to come to GU and was making contact months ago. Who actually knows? I've had very credible sources say the opposite. Regardless it doesn't matter because the admin was almost certainly not making that hire regardless what happened with Cooley. He's not here, move on. I do know and I know this directly from the subject. |
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 21, 2023 11:04:54 GMT -5
I had watched or listened to every Georgetown men's basketball game since the 1987 exhibition when David Edwards when went off for double-digit assists until this year when I just couldn't follow the program anymore. I completely checked out sometime after New Year's Day. Ewing was truly in over his head. Either he couldn't get those players to do what he wanted to do or what he wanted them to do was a really bad idea. I have never disliked Hoya players always finding a redeeming quality until this year when I couldn't stand some for their selfish, boneheaded, and lazy play. For everything Ewing did for the Georgetown program, he absolutely and unequivocally ran it into the ground. There is one word I would use to describe the Cooley hire - competent. It is not an unexpected reaction to the last two years. Ewing never demonstrated competence in so many aspects of the job. Cooley is the exact opposite. He has demonstrated he is capable in every dimension of running a big-time program. Hopefully, the thesis that the Georgetown platform provides Cooley the resources to have even greater success proves true. He has certainly paid his dues and is ready for perhaps the biggest spotlight in the conference. Edwards must have been great to get double digit assists 2 years before he arrived… Your aged memory is better than mine. I thought we were the same year, but apparently not. |
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 21, 2023 11:06:55 GMT -5
Who actually knows? I've had very credible sources say the opposite. Regardless it doesn't matter because the admin was almost certainly not making that hire regardless what happened with Cooley. He's not here, move on. I do know and I know this directly from the subject. Ok well tell Rick I said Hi. I'm going to focus on Cooley and this program, not a failed pipedream. |
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Post by thebin on Mar 21, 2023 11:08:05 GMT -5
2. Who influenced Georgetown's Administration to pay this much for Ed Cooley?..... It is not "who" but "what" influences Georgetown to pay this much for Cooley. The answer is unbelievably obvious: circumstances do. All of them. We are a hopeless DUMPSTER FIRE at the moment... or rather we were hopeless until yesterday. The other circumstance? Cooley was well paid in his home town in a top league and would be safely for the rest of his life. Those 2 combined facts create a perfect rationale for paying "this much" for him, whatever it was, in order to get him and start putting out the fire immediately. With an accomplished coach who wins cleanly in the northeast without big football and who just happens to be the Naismith COY and knows everything about all of our conference opponents already. |
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Post by Omega on Mar 21, 2023 11:11:06 GMT -5
I don't want to take anything away from Ed Cooley here because I think he'll do a much better job with relationships with all stakeholders (alumni, fans, students, players, MSG security personnel who check IDs, his own assistants, etc etc), but this looks like Lee Reed stepping in right away to try to fix some of the stuff he knows is broken and that he may not have been empowered to do anything about in the last six years. If Lee Reed now has some degree of control to work on the basketball program that would be a huge step in the right direction. Either way it's good. Glad he recognized it if that's the case Who cares who is doing it... Y'all just a bunch of whiners.. |
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Post by seaweed on Mar 21, 2023 11:13:03 GMT -5
Pitino is a scumbag and I am glad the school wanted nothing to do with him. I am not a stodgy old man quite yet but come on, this guy literally has a program to get recruits laid! If you wanted him, what you are saying is you are willing to have some of those asterisk wins that were later vacated by the league or the NCAA after the discovery of the shady ways they were obtained. Banging waitresses on restaurant tables while your wife is sleeping at home is one thing, but getting girls for recruits - high school kids dammit - is just beyond what our program should be associated with. Heck, Patrick w his baggage wouldn’t have been hired if he wasn’t a program legend and if anybody could actually remember what he did at the Gold Club. (deleted) Pitino is a classic “do anything to win” guy and we need wins, but not so badly that we get in bed w fleas and definitely not w guys who proudly spread fleas wherever they go. Hard pass and glad the school did the right thing w a high character hire.
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Post by Omega on Mar 21, 2023 11:14:25 GMT -5
I think all we Hoya fans have to acknowledge that RIGHT NOW we don't need a head coach who will get us to the final four. Rather we need a head coach who can get this program back to "normalcy" and by that I mean 10+ BE wins a year, occasional win over top 10 teams, meaningful games in February, and maybe an NCAA bid in the next 3-4 years. Also restore some of the "glow" associated with Hoya basketball and definitely get the student body and alumni excited again about the program. I think Cooley can do that and maybe position his successor the get us back to the mountaintop. To use a lame analogy, right now we don't need someone who can get this train to NCAA glory, we just need someone who can get it back on the tracks. Cooley can do both... |
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Mar 21, 2023 11:19:04 GMT -5
I'm very pleased with this hire. Cooley is a grade-A coach who will build this program upon a solid foundation rather than trying for flash-in-the-pan success immediately (as I feared some candidates might have done). His teams are well-prepared and well-coached, with several of his former players significantly developing under his (and his staff's) tutelage. Great hire.
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bluechi
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Post by bluechi on Mar 21, 2023 11:19:55 GMT -5
Either way it's good. Glad he recognized it if that's the case Who cares who is doing it... Y'all just a bunch of whiners.. Not a whiner. I don't care either. |
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Post by This Just In on Mar 21, 2023 11:20:09 GMT -5
I think all we Hoya fans have to acknowledge that RIGHT NOW we don't need a head coach who will get us to the final four. Rather we need a head coach who can get this program back to "normalcy" and by that I mean 10+ BE wins a year, occasional win over top 10 teams, meaningful games in February, and maybe an NCAA bid in the next 3-4 years. Also restore some of the "glow" associated with Hoya basketball and definitely get the student body and alumni excited again about the program. I think Cooley can do that and maybe position his successor the get us back to the mountaintop. To use a lame analogy, right now we don't need someone who can get this train to NCAA glory, we just need someone who can get it back on the tracks. I can agree with this if the Salary is under $6 million a year. Cause you don't give that type of money for a Sweet 16 every 12 years and maybe an NCAA bid in the next 3 to 4 years. For $6 million a year, got to see some Final 4's and a Championship banner. Not just being happy to get to the tournament cause as a coach that's your job to at least get to the tournament Example is Purdue's Matt Painter $3.58 million/year Will Purdue Fire Coach Matt Painter With $16M Contract
We have all seen Purdue and Matt Painter for 3 straight years with #3, #2,, #1, Seeds and underwhelm in the NCAA Tournament. Granted if Matt Painer is at Georgetown he can stay forever as long has gets to the tournament but he is not getting $6 million per year either. The more you get paid the higher should be the expectation of results, I think that's a fair assessment. |
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