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Post by TC on Mar 24, 2023 12:06:06 GMT -5
Can anyone imagine this happening 1972-2022? Every time I read this stuff I feel the warm fuzzies and feel like everything we have wanted this program to do is starting to happen.
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Post by TC on Mar 24, 2023 12:26:44 GMT -5
Can anyone imagine this happening 1972-2022? Every time I read this stuff I feel the warm fuzzies and feel like everything we have wanted this program to do is starting to happen. Boy he better win lol I don't understand why you think actually trying this stuff creates more pressure on winning - which one is going to help you win more? - promoting the program and trying to engage with your community so that people show up to your games and hopefully create a home court advantage - hiding away in the TAC and acting like students, fans, alumni, media etc are all a nuisance
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Post by TC on Mar 24, 2023 12:36:27 GMT -5
Class of 2028's moms are going to love Ed Cooley, how can you not love this?
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 24, 2023 12:42:44 GMT -5
Can anyone imagine this happening 1972-2022? Every time I read this stuff I feel the warm fuzzies and feel like everything we have wanted this program to do is starting to happen. Boy he better win lol Actually doing this type of outreach helps fans to have more patience with the team not less. This is a good strategy in many different ways. I’m sure Cooley is going thru culture shock seeing all the normal activities Gtown never bothered to engage with
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2023 13:04:28 GMT -5
Actually doing this type of outreach helps fans to have more patience with the team not less. This is a good strategy in many different ways. Exactly this. Student outreach and engagement is a good thing. Talking to the old-school media (newspaper/TV) is a good thing. Talking to blogs/online coverage (Hilltop Hoops, Casual Hoya) is a good thing. Obviously JT3's last two seasons were the catalyst for his departure, but I think his failure to interact with fans/students/alumni other than the "required" parts of the job (like the open practice, Midnight Madness, or the banquet) led to the toxic environment that ultimately led to his firing. If you give people access, they are going to like you, and it's going to affect how everyone perceives the program. For example, what's better? Scenario 1: Cooley gets hired. He gives a 5 minute press conference. Doesn't talk to fans or the media, unless forced. He refuses to take tough questions, including those about his departure. Makes short comments before/after games. Team struggles. Scenario 2: Cooley gets hired and gives a dynamite press conference. He goes to the cafeteria. He gives The Hoya a scoop about one of his assistants. He talks to The Voice, too, along with doing one-on-one interviews with John Fanta and others in the local media. He even answers hard questions about leaving Providence. He goes to GAAP weekend. Now, if the team struggles, sure fans may be frustrated but they'd be approaching the season having already had a lot of admiration for Cooley, and what he is trying to do, and much more likely to give him a longer time horizon before getting frustrated.' What Cooley is doing is unquestionably better than how the program was handled 1972-2023, and I look forward to continuing to see it. The press conference alone made me so much more optimistic, and even managed to get hoyaboya behind the cause (even with skepticism). That will go a long way in making people patient. The blunt fact is that when you are likeable and approachable like Cooley, people will be more patient. (As an aside, I love that Cooley said, if you see me on campus, come over and introduce yourself. I know for people who tend to be more shy, like I was in college, that would go a long way to giving me the courage to go up to him. You never got the vibe from John Thompson, JT3, or Ewing that they'd be happy to talk to a mere student on the walkway in front of Healy or by the Leavey Center.)
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Post by bluechi on Mar 24, 2023 13:10:37 GMT -5
I don't understand why you think actually trying this stuff creates more pressure on winning - which one is going to help you win more? - promoting the program and trying to engage with your community so that people show up to your games and hopefully create a home court advantage - hiding away in the TAC and acting like students, fans, alumni, media etc are all a nuisance I'm not saying that creates pressure at all I'm just saying if he doesn't win and it loses the losing is going to look worse than it actually is but no I'm not saying all that there's a pressure it's always pressure he might say there's pressure so
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Post by bluechi on Mar 24, 2023 13:12:30 GMT -5
Actually doing this type of outreach helps fans to have more patience with the team not less. This is a good strategy in many different ways. Exactly this. Student outreach and engagement is a good thing. Talking to the old-school media (newspaper/TV) is a good thing. Talking to blogs/online coverage (Hilltop Hoops, Casual Hoya) is a good thing. Obviously JT3's last two seasons were the catalyst for his departure, but I think his failure to interact with fans/students/alumni other than the "required" parts of the job (like the open practice, Midnight Madness, or the banquet) led to the toxic environment that ultimately led to his firing. If you give people access, they are going to like you, and it's going to affect how everyone perceives the program. For example, what's better? Scenario 1: Cooley gets hired. He gives a 5 minute press conference. Doesn't talk to fans or the media, unless forced. He refuses to take tough questions, including those about his departure. Makes short comments before/after games. Team struggles. Scenario 2: Cooley gets hired and gives a dynamite press conference. He goes to the cafeteria. He gives The Hoya a scoop about one of his assistants. He talks to The Voice, too, along with doing one-on-one interviews with John Fanta and others in the local media. He even answers hard questions about leaving Providence. He goes to GAAP weekend. Now, if the team struggles, sure fans may be frustrated but they'd be approaching the season having already had a lot of admiration for Cooley, and what he is trying to do, and much more likely to give him a longer time horizon before getting frustrated.' What Cooley is doing is unquestionably better than how the program was handled 1972-2023, and I look forward to continuing to see it. The press conference alone made me so much more optimistic, and even managed to get hoyaboya behind the cause (even with skepticism). That will go a long way in making people patient. The blunt fact is that when you are likeable and approachable like Cooley, people will be more patient. (As an aside, I love that Cooley said, if you see me on campus, come over and introduce yourself. I know for people who tend to be more shy, like I was in college, that would go a long way to giving me the courage to go up to him. You never got the vibe from John Thompson, JT3, or Ewing that they'd be happy to talk to a mere student on the walkway in front of Healy or by the Leavey Center.) I agree I will really love it but the reality is the lack of winningWill make all of those good faith efforts look weaker than they should
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2023 13:13:26 GMT -5
I don't understand why you think actually trying this stuff creates more pressure on winning - which one is going to help you win more? - promoting the program and trying to engage with your community so that people show up to your games and hopefully create a home court advantage - hiding away in the TAC and acting like students, fans, alumni, media etc are all a nuisance I'm not saying that creates pressure at all I'm just saying if he doesn't win and it loses the losing is going to look worse than it actually is but no I'm not saying all that there's a pressure it's always pressure he might say there's pressure so Georgetown basketball fell so far under Ewing that I think Cooley could do virtually anything next year, and it'll be an enormous improvement. We finished at 223 in KenPom. Even if Cooley got us to 100, our on-court product would look immensely better, and we'd win a bunch more games. I think any heavier expectations will come in Year 2, but I think there won't be a ton of outside pressure next year given what Cooley is inheriting.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 24, 2023 13:13:39 GMT -5
Actually doing this type of outreach helps fans to have more patience with the team not less. This is a good strategy in many different ways. I’m sure Cooley is going thru culture shock seeing all the normal activities Gtown never bothered to engage with yes I know I'm the one that kept saying over and over that people will be impressed by him the alumni will love him the former players will love him the team will love him and school will love him I said that several times when people were bashing him but what I'm saying is if he does lose and all those good faith efforts will not look that's positive as they should I love it.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2023 13:26:04 GMT -5
Actually doing this type of outreach helps fans to have more patience with the team not less. This is a good strategy in many different ways. Exactly this. Student outreach and engagement is a good thing. Talking to the old-school media (newspaper/TV) is a good thing. Talking to blogs/online coverage (Hilltop Hoops, Casual Hoya) is a good thing. Obviously JT3's last two seasons were the catalyst for his departure, but I think his failure to interact with fans/students/alumni other than the "required" parts of the job (like the open practice, Midnight Madness, or the banquet) led to the toxic environment that ultimately led to his firing. If you give people access, they are going to like you, and it's going to affect how everyone perceives the program. For example, what's better? Scenario 1: Cooley gets hired. He gives a 5 minute press conference. Doesn't talk to fans or the media, unless forced. He refuses to take tough questions, including those about his departure. Makes short comments before/after games. Team struggles. Scenario 2: Cooley gets hired and gives a dynamite press conference. He goes to the cafeteria. He gives The Hoya a scoop about one of his assistants. He talks to The Voice, too, along with doing one-on-one interviews with John Fanta and others in the local media. He even answers hard questions about leaving Providence. He goes to GAAP weekend. Now, if the team struggles, sure fans may be frustrated but they'd be approaching the season having already had a lot of admiration for Cooley, and what he is trying to do, and much more likely to give him a longer time horizon before getting frustrated.' What Cooley is doing is unquestionably better than how the program was handled 1972-2023, and I look forward to continuing to see it. The press conference alone made me so much more optimistic, and even managed to get hoyaboya behind the cause (even with skepticism). That will go a long way in making people patient. The blunt fact is that when you are likeable and approachable like Cooley, people will be more patient. (As an aside, I love that Cooley said, if you see me on campus, come over and introduce yourself. I know for people who tend to be more shy, like I was in college, that would go a long way to giving me the courage to go up to him. You never got the vibe from John Thompson, JT3, or Ewing that they'd be happy to talk to a mere student on the walkway in front of Healy or by the Leavey Center.) No we need to win now. And we will
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 24, 2023 13:36:39 GMT -5
Agree that these efforts buy him a bit more patience, but he will need to win.
That said, I hope by now people realize that 1984 is long gone. Much of toxicity around JTIII was centered around Georgetown being a recruiting behemoth, or playing a very specific way -- a way that actually put the nails into JT, Jr.'s success as well. There was basically this idea that we should be the program that existed in 1984.
And that's done. It's lost and gone forever. We can still do well, and we can still win, but we are not going to be that. No one can even be *that* anymore in a variety of ways.
And hopefully these Ewing year will make people realize that there's FAR worse things that making the tournament most years and contending for BE titles.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2023 13:39:54 GMT -5
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Post by depressedsjufan on Mar 24, 2023 13:45:16 GMT -5
Congrats to GT program for dumping Ewing. I always said a strong SJU and GT teams are needed for the Big East.
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 24, 2023 13:50:00 GMT -5
Congrats to GT program for dumping Ewing. I always said a strong SJU and GT teams are needed for the Big East. Congrats on dumping Anderson and getting the coach our president couldn’t swallow his ego for but I’m pretty happy with Cooley so far. We took different paths but hopefully we both get better maybe even meet for titles and add on to the great BE showing the in the tournament this season. Get the other conferences scared.
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Post by depressedsjufan on Mar 24, 2023 13:54:31 GMT -5
Congrats to GT program for dumping Ewing. I always said a strong SJU and GT teams are needed for the Big East. Congrats on dumping Anderson and getting the coach our president couldn’t swallow his ego for but I’m pretty happy with Cooley so far. We took different paths but hopefully we both get better maybe even meet for titles and add on to the great BE showing the in the tournament this season. Get the other conferences scared. I was surprised SJU got Pitino considering our illogical moves that past 25+ years. You guys will be in great hands with Cooley as he is a proven winner. No point in gambling on an up and comer or a has been, SJU road map has proven these. Time for both programs to make some noise next year. Down with PUKONN!
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 24, 2023 14:08:03 GMT -5
Exactly this. Student outreach and engagement is a good thing. Talking to the old-school media (newspaper/TV) is a good thing. Talking to blogs/online coverage (Hilltop Hoops, Casual Hoya) is a good thing. Obviously JT3's last two seasons were the catalyst for his departure, but I think his failure to interact with fans/students/alumni other than the "required" parts of the job (like the open practice, Midnight Madness, or the banquet) led to the toxic environment that ultimately led to his firing. If you give people access, they are going to like you, and it's going to affect how everyone perceives the program. For example, what's better? Scenario 1: Cooley gets hired. He gives a 5 minute press conference. Doesn't talk to fans or the media, unless forced. He refuses to take tough questions, including those about his departure. Makes short comments before/after games. Team struggles. Scenario 2: Cooley gets hired and gives a dynamite press conference. He goes to the cafeteria. He gives The Hoya a scoop about one of his assistants. He talks to The Voice, too, along with doing one-on-one interviews with John Fanta and others in the local media. He even answers hard questions about leaving Providence. He goes to GAAP weekend. Now, if the team struggles, sure fans may be frustrated but they'd be approaching the season having already had a lot of admiration for Cooley, and what he is trying to do, and much more likely to give him a longer time horizon before getting frustrated.' What Cooley is doing is unquestionably better than how the program was handled 1972-2023, and I look forward to continuing to see it. The press conference alone made me so much more optimistic, and even managed to get hoyaboya behind the cause (even with skepticism). That will go a long way in making people patient. The blunt fact is that when you are likeable and approachable like Cooley, people will be more patient. (As an aside, I love that Cooley said, if you see me on campus, come over and introduce yourself. I know for people who tend to be more shy, like I was in college, that would go a long way to giving me the courage to go up to him. You never got the vibe from John Thompson, JT3, or Ewing that they'd be happy to talk to a mere student on the walkway in front of Healy or by the Leavey Center.) No we need to win now. And we will I think the team needs to play well as quickly as possible, if they can do that consistently the wins will come.
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Post by astrohoya on Mar 24, 2023 14:25:00 GMT -5
Cooley quitting mid-year would have been even worse. That was not an option.
Nor would it have helped. Yes Provy slumped, but there is no reason to think it was because they are distracted by Cooley. This situation happens every year, and plenty of teams have no issues. Iona streaked down the stretch even after Pitino was making it known he was gone. Last year everybody knew Holloway would leave St. Peter’s and they made the Elite 8. There is no evidence this was not a coincidence.
Also, the Bill Frieder situation is overblown. Frieder took the Arizona St. job but still planned on coaching Michigan in the tournament, until Michigan AD Bo Schembechler fired him immediately because “only a Michigan man will coach Michigan”. Two things are forgotten here. One, the players did not him to be fired immediately. Two, the next fall Schembechler himself (the football coach), took a job as the President of the Detroit Tigers (where he infamously bombed), but did not announce it so he could coach his team through the Rose Bowl.
The only real lesson from the story is understanding why coaches are so coy until they make a final decision.
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 24, 2023 14:52:49 GMT -5
Cooley's outreach to ALL of the hoop alumnae is so important. I had heard that Reggie Williams felt unwelcome in the past few years and you could tell from JYD and Sweetney's comments that it was an issue for many former players. Reggie Williams? I mean without Reggie and Wingate and Martin and Graham and all of them, there is no National Championship. And I always thought that Duren and Sleepy and Big Sky and those guys were the foundation: if they hadn't taken the Hoyas to within 2 points of the Final 4 in 1980, there would probably be no Patrick Ewing at Georgetown. Coach Ewing couldn't recognize his teammates...and where was his Chief of staff? Good Riddance. Sorry, this is an issue that infiuriates me....there is more to Georgetown hoop than Patrick Ewing.
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Post by jackofjoy on Mar 24, 2023 15:26:17 GMT -5
I'm not saying that creates pressure at all I'm just saying if he doesn't win and it loses the losing is going to look worse than it actually is but no I'm not saying all that there's a pressure it's always pressure he might say there's pressure so Georgetown basketball fell so far under Ewing that I think Cooley could do virtually anything next year, and it'll be an enormous improvement. We finished at 223 in KenPom. Even if Cooley got us to 100, our on-court product would look immensely better, and we'd win a bunch more games. I think any heavier expectations will come in Year 2, but I think there won't be a ton of outside pressure next year given what Cooley is inheriting. Yeah, this ^^ It's Hoyatalk and all so there will be predictions of a 12 and 13 win BE season for Cooley's first year, but honestly ... pencil me in for a decent OOC schedule where we beat the teams we should and lose to the the teams we should, with maybe a surprise win, and 6-7 BE wins with what will likely be a significant roster overlap and integrating some transfer kids and I say improvement. Low bar but here we start ...
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Post by bluechi on Mar 24, 2023 15:32:07 GMT -5
Cooley's outreach to ALL of the hoop alumnae is so important. I had heard that Reggie Williams felt unwelcome in the past few years and you could tell from JYD and Sweetney's comments that it was an issue for many former players. Reggie Williams? I mean without Reggie and Wingate and Martin and Graham and all of them, there is no National Championship. And I always thought that Duren and Sleepy and Big Sky and those guys were the foundation: if they hadn't taken the Hoyas to within 2 points of the Final 4 in 1980, there would probably be no Patrick Ewing at Georgetown. Coach Ewing couldn't recognize his teammates...and where was his Chief of staff? Good Riddance. Sorry, this is an issue that infiuriates me....there is more to Georgetown hoop than Patrick Ewing. Sign Mike Sweetney up for SOMETHING. He's good lol Was hoping Etan would say how he really wanted to come to GU to Mike
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