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Post by Omega on Mar 24, 2023 10:00:33 GMT -5
Did he say that or are you making it up? I'm still a Cooley fan, as I've posted many times I like coaches who like to talk basketball. Having said that, I think he handled the move to Gtown terribly It was always going to be an impossible situation and I seriously wonder what people think he should have done differently. If he takes longer to make the move it hurts badly his new landing place (the Hilltop) as players enter the portal and get snarfed up, and Providence still is POed whenever he leaves (and maybe are madder because the delay hurts that school too) and if he says he was approached earlier etc it feeds into the whole “he quit on us and players quit on him” Provy Paranoia. If he was gonna leave and come here, doing it quickly and saying the things he has said was/is the way to do it. I understand the thought that says we never should have hired an intra conference coach (I have a bit of a queasy feeling myself still about that). But once one accepts that this is a business and perhaps he was ready for new pastures anyway (so a win/win for us/Ed), the whole “how he exited” strikes me as really just saying “it looked like an impossible situation that indeed proved to be impossible.” The house on the market thing was a bad move. Waiting another month would have only meant one more mortgage payment and it would have saved him and lot of the grief he is rightfully getting. Got to be smarter than that...
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 10:03:13 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree with this take. Cooley had a couple options once he knew he was leaving (which, if you look at the timeline of events, seems to be around late February when Providence visited Georgetown). First, he could have left the Friars right then and there, handing the reins to one of his assistants the rest of the way. For one thing, he'd have been able to avoid all the questions that came his way and he evaded during the last couple weeks of the season. Additionally, he could have given one of his loyal assistants a chance to make a run. Who knows, if the assistant does well, maybe he gets the full-time gig instead of Providence going to an outsider in Kim English, sort of like a Bill Frieder-Steve Fisher scenario. It would have been the right thing to do for Providence, the right thing to do for his staff and would have saved Cooley a lot of grief he's gotten for how he's handling things. Secondly, he should have stopped recruiting for Providence as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown. Doing a Zoom call with Eddie Lampkin when he should've been preparing for the NCAA Tournament game against Kentucky was reprehensible. Does anybody really believe Cooley was recruiting for Providence and had Providence's best interests in mind at that point? Ethically, I have a real problem with how Cooley handled the recruiting side of things once the decision was made. Finally, putting the house on the market the day same day as accepting the Georgetown job was just a dumb, unforced error. It shows that the decision had been in the works for some time, so clearly Cooley had been lying when telling media outlets that his mind wasn't made up. It's not like a guy making $6M/year is reliant on selling his $2M Providence house in order to finance his new place in DC. Just shows a lack of strategic thinking that is worrisome, in my opinion. You are out of your mind if you think he’d get less grief if he quit his job in February only to take the GU job as soon as the season was over. In that scenario he accepts the Georgetown job immediately because everybody already knows it was happening. Up to JDG/Reed/Ewing as to whether Ewing finishes the dreadful season or if they let Nickelberry or Baldwin coach a couple games.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 24, 2023 10:03:38 GMT -5
It is ridiculous and irresponsible for you to share a tweet related to the offensive rumor that has been circulating among bitter PC fans. Do better. Its ridiculous for you to interject your opinion on what i do and not the relevant subject of the team
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2023 10:04:46 GMT -5
He made it up… Cooley did mention them by name but all he said was he got to know them. “Great friends” lol Why would you bring up Ronny's name in a positive way, unsolicited, if you are about to fire him? Yup. He’s making it up about it being made up. Cooley, jt3, Ronnie and Tiffany have a great relationship. It’s all right there in the interview
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2023 10:06:37 GMT -5
It was always going to be an impossible situation and I seriously wonder what people think he should have done differently. If he takes longer to make the move it hurts badly his new landing place (the Hilltop) as players enter the portal and get snarfed up, and Providence still is POed whenever he leaves (and maybe are madder because the delay hurts that school too) and if he says he was approached earlier etc it feeds into the whole “he quit on us and players quit on him” Provy Paranoia. If he was gonna leave and come here, doing it quickly and saying the things he has said was/is the way to do it. I understand the thought that says we never should have hired an intra conference coach (I have a bit of a queasy feeling myself still about that). But once one accepts that this is a business and perhaps he was ready for new pastures anyway (so a win/win for us/Ed), the whole “how he exited” strikes me as really just saying “it looked like an impossible situation that indeed proved to be impossible.” Respectfully disagree with this take. Cooley had a couple options once he knew he was leaving (which, if you look at the timeline of events, seems to be around late February when Providence visited Georgetown). First, he could have left the Friars right then and there, handing the reins to one of his assistants the rest of the way. For one thing, he'd have been able to avoid all the questions that came his way and he evaded during the last couple weeks of the season. Additionally, he could have given one of his loyal assistants a chance to make a run. Who knows, if the assistant does well, maybe he gets the full-time gig instead of Providence going to an outsider in Kim English, sort of like a Bill Frieder-Steve Fisher scenario. It would have been the right thing to do for Providence, the right thing to do for his staff and would have saved Cooley a lot of grief he's gotten for how he's handling things. Secondly, he should have stopped recruiting for Providence as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown. Doing a Zoom call with Eddie Lampkin when he should've been preparing for the NCAA Tournament game against Kentucky was reprehensible. Does anybody really believe Cooley was recruiting for Providence and had Providence's best interests in mind at that point? Ethically, I have a real problem with how Cooley handled the recruiting side of things once the decision was made. Finally, putting the house on the market the day same day as accepting the Georgetown job was just a dumb, unforced error. It shows that the decision had been in the works for some time, so clearly Cooley had been lying when telling media outlets that his mind wasn't made up. It's not like a guy making $6M/year is reliant on selling his $2M Providence house in order to finance his new place in DC. Just shows a lack of strategic thinking that is worrisome, in my opinion. A few quick thoughts: First, while there is probably an example out there, I cannot think of any high major coach doing what you outlined above--essentially leaving your team with a month left to go (and the tournament) because you are taking another job. Had he done that, I could also easily envision both Georgetown fans and Providence fans saying that Cooley quit on the team, etc. I don't think it'd be right for him to just get up and leave either (which would be quitting on his players and staff), and I do believe that there was no "official" contact between the parties at the time, even if it was in the works behind the scenes. DeGioia clearly wanted to let Ewing ride the season out to the end, too, and so your scenario above about Cooley taking the job in late February was just not a realistic option. Second, on recruiting, saying he should have stopped recruiting "as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown" assumes that Cooley knew for sure he'd leave. But, we don't know that. Look at Shaka Smart's first flirtation with Marquette - it looked to everyone like he was leaving, and then he didn't. The same could have happened here (in fact, I think if Providence had made a run in the tournament, I think it could have happened). Coaches who move jobs are always recruiting until they leave. The transfer portal and timing has made it impossible to do it any differently. Lastly, Cooley was asked about the house. He said that the decision to sell the house was made last year, that they were downsizing given his daughter being out of the house, and him and his wife were spending more time in their Providence apartment. Now, I know nobody is going to believe that, but it could be true and nobody would believe it anyway. That said, I agree signing the house thing at that point was a mistake. He easily could have waited a few weeks.
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Post by 617hoya on Mar 24, 2023 10:09:05 GMT -5
It is ridiculous and irresponsible for you to share a tweet related to the offensive rumor that has been circulating among bitter PC fans. Do better. Its ridiculous for you to interject your opinion on what i do and not the relevant subject of the team Pretty sure that hasn’t stopped you from dishing your opinion on anything and everything here before.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 24, 2023 10:14:46 GMT -5
It was always going to be an impossible situation and I seriously wonder what people think he should have done differently. If he takes longer to make the move it hurts badly his new landing place (the Hilltop) as players enter the portal and get snarfed up, and Providence still is POed whenever he leaves (and maybe are madder because the delay hurts that school too) and if he says he was approached earlier etc it feeds into the whole “he quit on us and players quit on him” Provy Paranoia. If he was gonna leave and come here, doing it quickly and saying the things he has said was/is the way to do it. I understand the thought that says we never should have hired an intra conference coach (I have a bit of a queasy feeling myself still about that). But once one accepts that this is a business and perhaps he was ready for new pastures anyway (so a win/win for us/Ed), the whole “how he exited” strikes me as really just saying “it looked like an impossible situation that indeed proved to be impossible.” The house on the market thing was a bad move. Waiting another month would have only meant one more mortgage payment and it would have saved him and lot of the grief he is rightfully getting. Got to be smarter than that... Real estate agents: If he signed his agency form on 3/2 then where does listing his house 3 weeks later come into play. When we signed with our agency to sell our house we could list it immediately or take our time before listing it. He says they were downsizing which could make sense since they have 2 20-something kids.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 10:18:46 GMT -5
The house on the market thing was a bad move. Waiting another month would have only meant one more mortgage payment and it would have saved him and lot of the grief he is rightfully getting. Got to be smarter than that... Real estate agents: If he signed his agency form on 3/2 then where does listing his house 3 weeks later come into play. When we signed with our agency to sell our house we could list it immediately or take our time before listing it. He says they were downsizing which could make sense since they have 2 20-something kids. If you listen to his interviews, he actually says his wife signed the real estate document, implying that she was the one making the mistake. It's at the beginning of this interview, around the 15-second mark:
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Post by Omega on Mar 24, 2023 10:20:07 GMT -5
The house on the market thing was a bad move. Waiting another month would have only meant one more mortgage payment and it would have saved him and lot of the grief he is rightfully getting. Got to be smarter than that... Real estate agents: If he signed his agency form on 3/2 then where does listing his house 3 weeks later come into play. When we signed with our agency to sell our house we could list it immediately or take our time before listing it. He says they were downsizing which could make sense since they have 2 20-something kids. Regardless of reasoning the optics are bad...
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Post by drjimcooper on Mar 24, 2023 10:23:55 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree with this take. Cooley had a couple options once he knew he was leaving (which, if you look at the timeline of events, seems to be around late February when Providence visited Georgetown). First, he could have left the Friars right then and there, handing the reins to one of his assistants the rest of the way. For one thing, he'd have been able to avoid all the questions that came his way and he evaded during the last couple weeks of the season. Additionally, he could have given one of his loyal assistants a chance to make a run. Who knows, if the assistant does well, maybe he gets the full-time gig instead of Providence going to an outsider in Kim English, sort of like a Bill Frieder-Steve Fisher scenario. It would have been the right thing to do for Providence, the right thing to do for his staff and would have saved Cooley a lot of grief he's gotten for how he's handling things. Secondly, he should have stopped recruiting for Providence as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown. Doing a Zoom call with Eddie Lampkin when he should've been preparing for the NCAA Tournament game against Kentucky was reprehensible. Does anybody really believe Cooley was recruiting for Providence and had Providence's best interests in mind at that point? Ethically, I have a real problem with how Cooley handled the recruiting side of things once the decision was made. Finally, putting the house on the market the day same day as accepting the Georgetown job was just a dumb, unforced error. It shows that the decision had been in the works for some time, so clearly Cooley had been lying when telling media outlets that his mind wasn't made up. It's not like a guy making $6M/year is reliant on selling his $2M Providence house in order to finance his new place in DC. Just shows a lack of strategic thinking that is worrisome, in my opinion. A few quick thoughts: First, while there is probably an example out there, I cannot think of any high major coach doing what you outlined above--essentially leaving your team with a month left to go (and the tournament) because you are taking another job. Had he done that, I could also easily envision both Georgetown fans and Providence fans saying that Cooley quit on the team, etc. I don't think it'd be right for him to just get up and leave either (which would be quitting on his players and staff), and I do believe that there was no "official" contact between the parties at the time, even if it was in the works behind the scenes. DeGioia clearly wanted to let Ewing ride the season out to the end, too, and so your scenario above about Cooley taking the job in late February was just not a realistic option. Second, on recruiting, saying he should have stopped recruiting "as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown" assumes that Cooley knew for sure he'd leave. But, we don't know that. Look at Shaka Smart's first flirtation with Marquette - it looked to everyone like he was leaving, and then he didn't. The same could have happened here (in fact, I think if Providence had made a run in the tournament, I think it could have happened). Coaches who move jobs are always recruiting until they leave. The transfer portal and timing has made it impossible to do it any differently. Lastly, Cooley was asked about the house. He said that the decision to sell the house was made last year, that they were downsizing given his daughter being out of the house, and him and his wife were spending more time in their Providence apartment. Now, I know nobody is going to believe that, but it could be true and nobody would believe it anyway. That said, I agree signing the house thing at that point was a mistake. He easily could have waited a few weeks. It seems completely credible to me that a decision to sell the house was made at least a year ago and possibly for multiple reasons (some of which relating to his potential desire to leave for a new job). I believe he said in one of the video clips that Georgetown had been approaching him for years- so why not downsize, especially since you have another nice place to live closer to where you work. So in long term financial planning the thought process may have been a combo of 1. this house really is too big for us now and we have a nice place in downtown Providence and 2. if/when we decide to move for a new job, selling this house needs to happen, so might as well get it started. I think it's also possible (maybe even likely) that some combo of the family's lawyers/financial adivsors/accountants, etc. are the ones doing the day to day when it comes to getting an expensive house ready for sale (a thing that takes time in the best of circumstances) and one of those representatives had them sign the forms on 3/3 because that's when they were finally ready to get things moving and that Cooley didn't think twice about "the optics" of that date when he signed it. Should he have considered that? Sure, I guess? Does it speak to his character? Doubtful, imo.
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Post by TC on Mar 24, 2023 10:24:41 GMT -5
Why would you bring up Ronny's name in a positive way, unsolicited, if you are about to fire him? Yup. He’s making it up about it being made up. Cooley, jt3, Ronnie and Tiffany have a great relationship. It’s all right there in the interview He said he got to know them in a question Fanta asked about JT2. Big deal. Ronny is not Beetlejuice - he is not a malevolent mystical entity who is summoned if you say his name three times. Ed Cooley has been on a Men's Basketball Reconciliation Tour specifically trying to fix relationships that it sounds like Ronny screwed up. I can't see the program taking this tone out of the gate AND Ronny playing an active role. On the same token, I don't think anyone wants to make Ronny mad and they aren't going to publicly embarrass him or address his role or lack thereof, because let's be honest, he was quite litigious on his way out of Ball State.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 10:26:41 GMT -5
Yup. He’s making it up about it being made up. Cooley, jt3, Ronnie and Tiffany have a great relationship. It’s all right there in the interview He said he got to know them in a question Fanta asked about JT2. Big deal. Ronny is not Beetlejuice - he is not a malevolent mystical entity who is summoned if you say his name three times. Ed Cooley has been on a Men's Basketball Reconciliation Tour specifically trying to fix relationships that it sounds like Ronny screwed up. I can't see the program taking this tone out of the gate AND Ronny playing an active role. On the same token, I don't think anyone wants to make Ronny mad and they aren't going to publicly embarrass him or address his role or lack thereof. Why not? Who cares about Ronny Thompson's feelings at this point? Why would anybody associated with Georgetown University be concerned about making Ronny mad?
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 24, 2023 10:27:19 GMT -5
A cursory glance @ the Twitter account would indicate that account holder is sympathetic to / MAGA adjacent (w/ a disposition prone to conspiracy theories). A feeble attempt (@ best) to besmirch Cooley's arrival. You can find the rumors in a lot more places than that single person's Twitter account. It doesn't matter. You can't run from those type of problems. If Cooley did something inappropriate it'll get out and admin will react accordingly. You think whatever it is will end just because he relocated to DC?
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Post by bluechi on Mar 24, 2023 10:29:44 GMT -5
Real estate agents: If he signed his agency form on 3/2 then where does listing his house 3 weeks later come into play. When we signed with our agency to sell our house we could list it immediately or take our time before listing it. He says they were downsizing which could make sense since they have 2 20-something kids. Regardless of reasoning the optics are bad... [br True even if the optics are media created
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Post by TC on Mar 24, 2023 10:31:51 GMT -5
Why not? Who cares about Ronny Thompson's feelings at this point? Why would anybody associated with Georgetown University be concerned about making Ronny mad? This is about the dumbest question I've ever seen. Ronny sued his last employer on the way out, so yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone involved is walking on eggshells when asked about Ronny and no one wants to make Ronny mad.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2023 10:32:12 GMT -5
Let's elevate the discussion here above the level of repeating internet rumors that have nothing to do with Ed Cooley's position as Georgetown Basketball Coach. If you want to feed into the mud being slung on the internet by people in Rhode Island, do it there. Don't import it here.You can find the rumors in a lot more places than that single person's Twitter account. This is neither justification nor evidence moving this past twitter rumor level. It does not belong here.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 10:32:54 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree with this take. Cooley had a couple options once he knew he was leaving (which, if you look at the timeline of events, seems to be around late February when Providence visited Georgetown). First, he could have left the Friars right then and there, handing the reins to one of his assistants the rest of the way. For one thing, he'd have been able to avoid all the questions that came his way and he evaded during the last couple weeks of the season. Additionally, he could have given one of his loyal assistants a chance to make a run. Who knows, if the assistant does well, maybe he gets the full-time gig instead of Providence going to an outsider in Kim English, sort of like a Bill Frieder-Steve Fisher scenario. It would have been the right thing to do for Providence, the right thing to do for his staff and would have saved Cooley a lot of grief he's gotten for how he's handling things. Secondly, he should have stopped recruiting for Providence as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown. Doing a Zoom call with Eddie Lampkin when he should've been preparing for the NCAA Tournament game against Kentucky was reprehensible. Does anybody really believe Cooley was recruiting for Providence and had Providence's best interests in mind at that point? Ethically, I have a real problem with how Cooley handled the recruiting side of things once the decision was made. Finally, putting the house on the market the day same day as accepting the Georgetown job was just a dumb, unforced error. It shows that the decision had been in the works for some time, so clearly Cooley had been lying when telling media outlets that his mind wasn't made up. It's not like a guy making $6M/year is reliant on selling his $2M Providence house in order to finance his new place in DC. Just shows a lack of strategic thinking that is worrisome, in my opinion. A few quick thoughts: First, while there is probably an example out there, I cannot think of any high major coach doing what you outlined above--essentially leaving your team with a month left to go (and the tournament) because you are taking another job. Had he done that, I could also easily envision both Georgetown fans and Providence fans saying that Cooley quit on the team, etc. I don't think it'd be right for him to just get up and leave either (which would be quitting on his players and staff), and I do believe that there was no "official" contact between the parties at the time, even if it was in the works behind the scenes. DeGioia clearly wanted to let Ewing ride the season out to the end, too, and so your scenario above about Cooley taking the job in late February was just not a realistic option. Second, on recruiting, saying he should have stopped recruiting "as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown" assumes that Cooley knew for sure he'd leave. But, we don't know that. Look at Shaka Smart's first flirtation with Marquette - it looked to everyone like he was leaving, and then he didn't. The same could have happened here (in fact, I think if Providence had made a run in the tournament, I think it could have happened). Coaches who move jobs are always recruiting until they leave. The transfer portal and timing has made it impossible to do it any differently. Lastly, Cooley was asked about the house. He said that the decision to sell the house was made last year, that they were downsizing given his daughter being out of the house, and him and his wife were spending more time in their Providence apartment. Now, I know nobody is going to believe that, but it could be true and nobody would believe it anyway. That said, I agree signing the house thing at that point was a mistake. He easily could have waited a few weeks.
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Post by the_way on Mar 24, 2023 11:09:22 GMT -5
I can't root for Cooley because he sold his house too early. Shame on him.
Ronny probably told him to sell it and then told Jack to hire Cooley.
Ronny is Thanos.
We need to go back in time to fix this. Where is Ant-Man when you need him.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2023 11:26:43 GMT -5
After that tweet from Fanta, there were multiple other reports indicating that while Cooley was likely to go to Georgetown he hadn't made a final decision yet. That's why I am saying, we will never know. Had Shaka Smart gone to Marquette in 2014, people saying Marquette had their man would have been right. Except, they weren't. To be clear, even if Fanta is right, I don't think it's a big deal. Coaches literally do this sort of thing every cycle of coaching changes. Does anybody think that Pitino stopped coaching/recruiting at Iona in the last month because he knew he was likely to leave? Granted, Pitino was fairly open about that, but I also think Pitino was also in a unique position because Iona would not extend him and he clearly wanted to upgrade to a better job. Which would almost make his recruiting for Iona in that period even worse in your view. I also highly doubt Cooley was recruiting for Georgetown in that period. He is too smart, and people run their mouths too much, for that to happen and nobody to know it. There's also no reason. Cooley could continue recruiting to Providence as he had all along, knowing that if he moved, he could just try to bring the same guys over to Georgetown--which again, almost every coach does. Again, Pitino brought at least one assistant from Iona with him to St. John's, and I am sure that assistant was recruiting for Iona too. This happens all the time.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 24, 2023 11:28:25 GMT -5
You are out of your mind if you think he’d get less grief if he quit his job in February only to take the GU job as soon as the season was over. In that scenario he accepts the Georgetown job immediately because everybody already knows it was happening. Up to JDG/Reed/Ewing as to whether Ewing finishes the dreadful season or if they let Nickelberry or Baldwin coach a couple games. You are in fantasy land if you think this would have gone over better.
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