the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 23, 2023 19:39:06 GMT -5
lol
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 23, 2023 20:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2023 21:33:34 GMT -5
It’s probably best that Etomic turned it off before Cooley started talking about how JTIII, Ronnie and Tiffany are great friends of his. Etomic would have been rolling in his bed. *as far as Ronnie, Cooley is a Killer and doesn’t play so if Ronnie interferes, Cooley will tell him to go get his shine box.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 23, 2023 21:51:29 GMT -5
Someone asked who was responsible. Credit where it’s due.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 23, 2023 22:20:20 GMT -5
I had to turn it off when he said he has a "strict no-contact rule until the season is over" smh.. Been a Cooley advocate for a looong time on this board but man that was a tough listen. Just say in hindsight I wished we'd have handled it better Cooley is a salesman. There’s certainly a part of his rhetoric that is more flash than substance. But most good college coaches have that in them. The line we were selling our house already seems too forced. But in a few weeks everyone will forget the circumstances in which he came here and focus on new players, new recruits, and the prospects for next year. I’m glad he’s our coach over pretty much any other candidate, but I do think he mishandled his exit and the narrative. After a few weeks, then months and years, some here believed there was a head coach national search in 2017. I wonder what some will say about the fantasy national search that led to Cooley.
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Post by nmarcot on Mar 23, 2023 23:08:45 GMT -5
Congratulations Coach Ed!! Your the MAN now to bring Georgetown basketball back to prominence and re-energize the Hoya community. Hoya nation is so excited to begin a new chapter, a new beginning. We have been wandering in the wildnerness way too long. Thank you for being our new coach and finally renewing hope to the hilltop. You are obviously a people person brimming with infectious energy as well as an excellent basketball coach of young men. Hopefully in the not too distant future "we can be them dudes."
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 24, 2023 6:00:11 GMT -5
Cooley is a salesman. There’s certainly a part of his rhetoric that is more flash than substance. But most good college coaches have that in them. The line we were selling our house already seems too forced. But in a few weeks everyone will forget the circumstances in which he came here and focus on new players, new recruits, and the prospects for next year. I’m glad he’s our coach over pretty much any other candidate, but I do think he mishandled his exit and the narrative. After a few weeks, then months and years, some here believed there was a head coach national search in 2017. I wonder what some will say about the fantasy national search that led to Cooley. Few will care if we start winning again. That possibility seems a lot better with Cooley than it did Ewing.
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617hoya
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Post by 617hoya on Mar 24, 2023 7:49:55 GMT -5
Someone asked who was responsible. Credit where it’s due. hm. It is ridiculous and irresponsible for you to share a tweet related to the offensive rumor that has been circulating among bitter PC fans. Do better.
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Post by cas92 on Mar 24, 2023 8:15:13 GMT -5
It is ridiculous and irresponsible for you to share a tweet related to the offensive rumor that has been circulating among bitter PC fans. Do better. A cursory glance @ the Twitter account would indicate that account holder is sympathetic to / MAGA adjacent (w/ a disposition prone to conspiracy theories). A feeble attempt (@ best) to besmirch Cooley's arrival.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 8:21:22 GMT -5
It is ridiculous and irresponsible for you to share a tweet related to the offensive rumor that has been circulating among bitter PC fans. Do better. A cursory glance @ the Twitter account would indicate that account holder is sympathetic to / MAGA adjacent (w/ a disposition prone to conspiracy theories). A feeble attempt (@ best) to besmirch Cooley's arrival. You can find the rumors in a lot more places than that single person's Twitter account.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 24, 2023 8:25:25 GMT -5
A cursory glance @ the Twitter account would indicate that account holder is sympathetic to / MAGA adjacent (w/ a disposition prone to conspiracy theories). A feeble attempt (@ best) to besmirch Cooley's arrival. You can find the rumors in a lot more places than that single person's Twitter account. Like other random 50 follower twitter accounts? Has there been a single reliable source that has uttered the rumor? If so, please post link! You giving it air is pretty gross.
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cas92
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Post by cas92 on Mar 24, 2023 8:29:49 GMT -5
A cursory glance @ the Twitter account would indicate that account holder is sympathetic to / MAGA adjacent (w/ a disposition prone to conspiracy theories). A feeble attempt (@ best) to besmirch Cooley's arrival. You can find the rumors in a lot more places than that single person's Twitter account. A plausible, reputable (independent, w/o any vested interest) source would hold more weight, be more credible than jilted Providence College fans.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 24, 2023 8:32:29 GMT -5
It’s probably best that Etomic turned it off before Cooley started talking about how JTIII, Ronnie and Tiffany are great friends of his. Etomic would have been rolling in his bed. *as far as Ronnie, Cooley is a Killer and doesn’t play so if Ronnie interferes, Cooley will tell him to go get his shine box. Did he say that or are you making it up? I'm still a Cooley fan, as I've posted many times I like coaches who like to talk basketball. Having said that, I think he handled the move to Gtown terribly
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2023 8:42:35 GMT -5
It’s probably best that Etomic turned it off before Cooley started talking about how JTIII, Ronnie and Tiffany are great friends of his. Etomic would have been rolling in his bed. *as far as Ronnie, Cooley is a Killer and doesn’t play so if Ronnie interferes, Cooley will tell him to go get his shine box. Did he say that or are you making it up? I'm still a Cooley fan, as I've posted many times I like coaches who like to talk basketball. Having said that, I think he handled the move to Gtown terribly Watch the full interview
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bluechi
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Post by bluechi on Mar 24, 2023 9:11:36 GMT -5
You can find the rumors in a lot more places than that single person's Twitter account. A plausible, reputable (independent, w/o any vested interest) source would hold more weight, be more credible than jilted Providence College fans. yes i know. and they're adults until one adult says they were violated.
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Mar 24, 2023 9:14:40 GMT -5
It’s probably best that Etomic turned it off before Cooley started talking about how JTIII, Ronnie and Tiffany are great friends of his. Etomic would have been rolling in his bed. *as far as Ronnie, Cooley is a Killer and doesn’t play so if Ronnie interferes, Cooley will tell him to go get his shine box. Did he say that or are you making it up? I'm still a Cooley fan, as I've posted many times I like coaches who like to talk basketball. Having said that, I think he handled the move to Gtown terribly It was always going to be an impossible situation and I seriously wonder what people think he should have done differently. If he takes longer to make the move it hurts badly his new landing place (the Hilltop) as players enter the portal and get snarfed up, and Providence still is POed whenever he leaves (and maybe are madder because the delay hurts that school too) and if he says he was approached earlier etc it feeds into the whole “he quit on us and players quit on him” Provy Paranoia. If he was gonna leave and come here, doing it quickly and saying the things he has said was/is the way to do it. I understand the thought that says we never should have hired an intra conference coach (I have a bit of a queasy feeling myself still about that). But once one accepts that this is a business and perhaps he was ready for new pastures anyway (so a win/win for us/Ed), the whole “how he exited” strikes me as really just saying “it looked like an impossible situation that indeed proved to be impossible.”
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 24, 2023 9:34:34 GMT -5
It’s probably best that Etomic turned it off before Cooley started talking about how JTIII, Ronnie and Tiffany are great friends of his. Etomic would have been rolling in his bed. *as far as Ronnie, Cooley is a Killer and doesn’t play so if Ronnie interferes, Cooley will tell him to go get his shine box. Did he say that or are you making it up? I'm still a Cooley fan, as I've posted many times I like coaches who like to talk basketball. Having said that, I think he handled the move to Gtown terribly He made it up… Cooley did mention them by name but all he said was he got to know them. “Great friends” lol
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 9:39:46 GMT -5
Did he say that or are you making it up? I'm still a Cooley fan, as I've posted many times I like coaches who like to talk basketball. Having said that, I think he handled the move to Gtown terribly He made it up… Cooley did mention them by name but all he said was he got to know them. “Great friends” lol Why would you bring up Ronny's name in a positive way, unsolicited, if you are about to fire him?
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 9:55:35 GMT -5
Did he say that or are you making it up? I'm still a Cooley fan, as I've posted many times I like coaches who like to talk basketball. Having said that, I think he handled the move to Gtown terribly It was always going to be an impossible situation and I seriously wonder what people think he should have done differently. If he takes longer to make the move it hurts badly his new landing place (the Hilltop) as players enter the portal and get snarfed up, and Providence still is POed whenever he leaves (and maybe are madder because the delay hurts that school too) and if he says he was approached earlier etc it feeds into the whole “he quit on us and players quit on him” Provy Paranoia. If he was gonna leave and come here, doing it quickly and saying the things he has said was/is the way to do it. I understand the thought that says we never should have hired an intra conference coach (I have a bit of a queasy feeling myself still about that). But once one accepts that this is a business and perhaps he was ready for new pastures anyway (so a win/win for us/Ed), the whole “how he exited” strikes me as really just saying “it looked like an impossible situation that indeed proved to be impossible.” Respectfully disagree with this take. Cooley had a couple options once he knew he was leaving (which, if you look at the timeline of events, seems to be around late February when Providence visited Georgetown). First, he could have left the Friars right then and there, handing the reins to one of his assistants the rest of the way. For one thing, he'd have been able to avoid all the questions that came his way and he evaded during the last couple weeks of the season. Additionally, he could have given one of his loyal assistants a chance to make a run. Who knows, if the assistant does well, maybe he gets the full-time gig instead of Providence going to an outsider in Kim English, sort of like a Bill Frieder-Steve Fisher scenario. It would have been the right thing to do for Providence, the right thing to do for his staff and would have saved Cooley a lot of grief he's gotten for how he's handling things. Secondly, he should have stopped recruiting for Providence as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown. Doing a Zoom call with Eddie Lampkin when he should've been preparing for the NCAA Tournament game against Kentucky was reprehensible. Does anybody really believe Cooley was recruiting for Providence and had Providence's best interests in mind at that point? Ethically, I have a real problem with how Cooley handled the recruiting side of things once the decision was made. Finally, putting the house on the market the day same day as accepting the Georgetown job was just a dumb, unforced error. It shows that the decision had been in the works for some time, so clearly Cooley had been lying when telling media outlets that his mind wasn't made up. It's not like a guy making $6M/year is reliant on selling his $2M Providence house in order to finance his new place in DC. Just shows a lack of strategic thinking that is worrisome, in my opinion.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 24, 2023 9:57:35 GMT -5
It was always going to be an impossible situation and I seriously wonder what people think he should have done differently. If he takes longer to make the move it hurts badly his new landing place (the Hilltop) as players enter the portal and get snarfed up, and Providence still is POed whenever he leaves (and maybe are madder because the delay hurts that school too) and if he says he was approached earlier etc it feeds into the whole “he quit on us and players quit on him” Provy Paranoia. If he was gonna leave and come here, doing it quickly and saying the things he has said was/is the way to do it. I understand the thought that says we never should have hired an intra conference coach (I have a bit of a queasy feeling myself still about that). But once one accepts that this is a business and perhaps he was ready for new pastures anyway (so a win/win for us/Ed), the whole “how he exited” strikes me as really just saying “it looked like an impossible situation that indeed proved to be impossible.” Respectfully disagree with this take. Cooley had a couple options once he knew he was leaving (which, if you look at the timeline of events, seems to be around late February when Providence visited Georgetown). First, he could have left the Friars right then and there, handing the reins to one of his assistants the rest of the way. For one thing, he'd have been able to avoid all the questions that came his way and he evaded during the last couple weeks of the season. Additionally, he could have given one of his loyal assistants a chance to make a run. Who knows, if the assistant does well, maybe he gets the full-time gig instead of Providence going to an outsider in Kim English, sort of like a Bill Frieder-Steve Fisher scenario. It would have been the right thing to do for Providence, the right thing to do for his staff and would have saved Cooley a lot of grief he's gotten for how he's handling things. Secondly, he should have stopped recruiting for Providence as soon as he knew he was leaving for Georgetown. Doing a Zoom call with Eddie Lampkin when he should've been preparing for the NCAA Tournament game against Kentucky was reprehensible. Does anybody really believe Cooley was recruiting for Providence and had Providence's best interests in mind at that point? Ethically, I have a real problem with how Cooley handled the recruiting side of things once the decision was made. Finally, putting the house on the market the day same day as accepting the Georgetown job was just a dumb, unforced error. It shows that the decision had been in the works for some time, so clearly Cooley had been lying when telling media outlets that his mind wasn't made up. It's not like a guy making $6M/year is reliant on selling his $2M Providence house in order to finance his new place in DC. Just shows a lack of strategic thinking that is worrisome, in my opinion. You are out of your mind if you think he’d get less grief if he quit his job in February only to take the GU job as soon as the season was over.
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