hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Mar 24, 2023 16:14:09 GMT -5
Cooley quitting mid-year would have been even worse. That was not an option. Nor would it have helped. Yes Provy slumped, but there is no reason to think it was because they are distracted by Cooley. This situation happens every year, and plenty of teams have no issues. Iona streaked down the stretch even after Pitino was making it known he was gone. Last year everybody knew Holloway would leave St. Peter’s and they made the Elite 8. There is no evidence this was not a coincidence. Also, the Bill Frieder situation is overblown. Frieder took the Arizona St. job but still planned on coaching Michigan in the tournament, until Michigan AD Bo Schembechler fired him immediately because “only a Michigan man will coach Michigan”. Two things are forgotten here. One, the players did not him to be fired immediately. Two, the next fall Schembechler himself (the football coach), took a job as the President of the Detroit Tigers (where he infamously bombed), but did not announce it so he could coach his team through the Rose Bowl. The only real lesson from the story is understanding why coaches are so coy until they make a final decision. This is a time to come together as a fan base so I will let my comment about it all being an impossible situation go with only one added thought in support of the above: remember in February there was no guarantee the GU job was gonna open up — we all hoped it would but certainly there was much worry that if we got on a roll perhaps it doesn’t — so the idea that Ed should’ve just quit on his team then makes zero sense to me and talk about fostering conspiracy/tampering theories if he had and then ended up at GU!
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astrohoya
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Post by astrohoya on Mar 24, 2023 16:18:15 GMT -5
Been working a lot the last few days so have not posted. But so far Cooley is doing everything right, and I think the improved outreach and PR will be a huge breath of fresh air.
I was a Pitino guy but it was clear our admin was never going to do that. In the world our admin inhabits, this was the best possible hire, and it is a good hire, and I am excited.
All of that does not matter now. Cooley is our coach and I will give him multiple years of support to turn this mess around. I am optimistic he will and am genuinely eager to see this team for the first time in years.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 24, 2023 16:18:40 GMT -5
Georgetown basketball fell so far under Ewing that I think Cooley could do virtually anything next year, and it'll be an enormous improvement. We finished at 223 in KenPom. Even if Cooley got us to 100, our on-court product would look immensely better, and we'd win a bunch more games. I think any heavier expectations will come in Year 2, but I think there won't be a ton of outside pressure next year given what Cooley is inheriting. Yeah, this ^^ It's Hoyatalk and all so there will be predictions of a 12 and 13 win BE season for Cooley's first year, but honestly ... pencil me in for a decent OOC schedule where we beat the teams we should and lose to the the teams we should, with maybe a surprise win, and 6-7 BE wins with what will likely be a significant roster overlap and integrating some transfer kids and I say improvement. Low bar but here we start ... We have to remember this league will be a lot tougher now with the return of UConn and a good SJU and Marquette. For years this league has pretty much been Nova, Creighton, PC, and Xavier. So I expect PC to step back and Nova seems like an unknown without Wright. I think the tiers of this conference over the next 2-3 years are: Tier 1 UConn Xavier Creighton Marquette Tier 2 SJU Nova Gtown Tier 3 Butler PC SHU Tier 4 DePaul I think any of the teams in Tier 2 can move up to Tier 1 and vice versa. But even if we are good, there’s always going to be 5-7 really good teams, kinda like the 2008-2013 expanded BE era, but they’re a few easy games. Even Butler I expect to be better under Matta in his second year. So without knowing our roster, my realistic expectation would be 7-8 wins and 6th or 7th in the league. But that also means going into late Feb, you might be a stretch bubble team. Which would exciting at least to have meaningful games.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 24, 2023 17:02:49 GMT -5
We need to get to tier 3 before tier 2...
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2023 17:15:43 GMT -5
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 24, 2023 18:00:01 GMT -5
We need to get to tier 3 before tier 2... I’m just saying over the next 2-3 years. I’d expect at worst we are better than DePaul next year and in Tier 3.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 24, 2023 18:38:36 GMT -5
I love the conference right now. Can't wait for November.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 24, 2023 20:26:46 GMT -5
Conference is just getting better.
Shows you the power of the Big East. With football running everything, it is nice to see a basketball only conference thriving the way it is.
Heck, even UCONN wanted to come back on the basketball side of things.
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wolveribe
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Post by wolveribe on Mar 25, 2023 12:52:04 GMT -5
Cooley quitting mid-year would have been even worse. That was not an option. Nor would it have helped. Yes Provy slumped, but there is no reason to think it was because they are distracted by Cooley. This situation happens every year, and plenty of teams have no issues. Iona streaked down the stretch even after Pitino was making it known he was gone. Last year everybody knew Holloway would leave St. Peter’s and they made the Elite 8. There is no evidence this was not a coincidence. Also, the Bill Frieder situation is overblown. Frieder took the Arizona St. job but still planned on coaching Michigan in the tournament, until Michigan AD Bo Schembechler fired him immediately because “only a Michigan man will coach Michigan”. Two things are forgotten here. One, the players did not him to be fired immediately. Two, the next fall Schembechler himself (the football coach), took a job as the President of the Detroit Tigers (where he infamously bombed), but did not announce it so he could coach his team through the Rose Bowl. The only real lesson from the story is understanding why coaches are so coy until they make a final decision. Providence fans just need something to hold on to fuel their anger for Cooley. There is no chance he stopped trying to win.
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nbhoya
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Post by nbhoya on Mar 25, 2023 13:40:41 GMT -5
The Cooley hire confirmed to me that Providence fans are even weirder than previously thought.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Mar 25, 2023 14:29:09 GMT -5
Conference is just getting better. Shows you the power of the Big East. With football running everything, it is nice to see a basketball only conference thriving the way it is. Heck, even UCONN wanted to come back on the basketball side of things. How can one not love the Big East now. All the way through the tourney our teams kept an even pace at about 25-30% of the teams left. Now we have 2 of the Elite Eight. And neither of them are our highest ranked and seeded team which dropped out. Take a look. No SEC teams, No Big 10 teams, No Pac 12 teams, ONE ACC team and its Miami: but 2 BEAST teams....Gotta love it.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 25, 2023 15:28:16 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2023 7:19:29 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2023 11:52:31 GMT -5
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Mar 26, 2023 12:00:33 GMT -5
Kudos to all the bitter twatwaddles up at Providence, who triad to register every Georgetown Cooley related Twitter handle, but completely failed to get the simple @hoyacoachcooley
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 26, 2023 12:09:38 GMT -5
Kudos to all the bitter twatwaddles up at Providence, who triad to register every Georgetown Cooley related Twitter handle, but completely failed to get the simple @hoyacoachcooley #Providunce
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2023 14:19:44 GMT -5
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hoyas315
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 27, 2023 8:26:51 GMT -5
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Mar 27, 2023 8:33:08 GMT -5
We need to get to tier 3 before tier 2... This.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 27, 2023 9:09:30 GMT -5
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