SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 29, 2022 11:36:09 GMT -5
Does winning tonight make one iota of difference? This is a game between 9th & 10th place teams. A win is not going to create momentum or improve our stature. It prevents the Hoyas from going 0 for 22. The year, that is. |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 29, 2022 13:08:51 GMT -5
Does winning tonight make one iota of difference? This is a game between 9th & 10th place teams. A win is not going to create momentum or improve our stature. It prevents the Hoyas from going 0 for 22. The year, that is. I root for the kids. Doesn't mean one iota what I think of Ewing as a coach but man these poor kids could use a BE win and something positive on the court right now... |
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 29, 2022 13:11:02 GMT -5
It prevents the Hoyas from going 0 for 22. The year, that is. I root for the kids. Doesn't mean one iota what I think of Ewing as a coach but man these poor kids could use a BE win and something positive on the court right now... Bean, I always root for the players (even those who frustrate the h*ll out of me) as well. Ewing has failed to put them in a position to succeed. I will be watching the game tonight and will be at Cap One on Sunday night. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 29, 2022 13:26:20 GMT -5
I root for the kids. Doesn't mean one iota what I think of Ewing as a coach but man these poor kids could use a BE win and something positive on the court right now... Bean, I always root for the players (even those who frustrate the h*ll out of me) as well. Ewing has failed to put them in a position to succeed. I watching the game tonight and will be at Cap One on Sunday night. Exactly, and similar to what casual website posted earlier today, Ewing has not only wrecked the program which is whatever at this point because I am sure Ronny would've done it with or without Ewing but Pat has failed to be a true coach to these boys by putting all of them in uncomfortable spots where they cannot succeed (the starters are getting burnt out and risk injury playing so much, by also not controlling his staff if it is true that someone is giving contradictory instructions that confuse the boys, and the younger bench guys get discouraged by getting no real run/development even if their teammate is making mistakes and about to collapse from exhaustion on the court). All of that just to try to get him one miserable BE win in 2022 at the cost of the development and morale of the team that is supposed to look to him for guidance and help for them to succeed, it is frankly pathetic. I hope they get 2 wins this season so the boys don't need to be totally humiliated with a winless BE season (some it would be for the second time), we don't break another losing streak record, and it is still few enough wins to hopefully get this "coach" out of here |
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Post by prhoya on Dec 29, 2022 13:46:05 GMT -5
It prevents the Hoyas from going 0 for 22. The year, that is. I root for the kids. Doesn't mean one iota what I think of Ewing as a coach but man these poor kids could use a BE win and something positive on the court right now... Like a new head coach?  |
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Post by jamaicahoya on Dec 29, 2022 14:17:47 GMT -5
If the cohesion that has been building over the past few games continues, the boys will not only win this game but will make it a marker for their change in fortune going forward. Go Hoyas!
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 29, 2022 14:44:46 GMT -5
If the cohesion that has been building over the past few games continues, the boys will not only win this game but will make it a marker for their change in fortune going forward. Go Hoyas! Are we gelling yet? Asking for a friend that looked at the 5-8 record and NET ranking in the mid-200s. In all seriousness, I think we win tonight going away. DePaul is very bad and has been dealing with injuries on top of not having much talent. Seeing what we're facing in the Big East, we really should win at least 6-8 games - which will probably be enough for Jack D. and the Board to justify staying the course with Ewing. We'll then have a typical offseason under Ewing of high attrition and bringing in mercenaries from the portal. It's a terrible way to build and run a program, but keeping jobs by winning the games immediately in front of them is what currently drives every Ronny/Ewing activity. They're not building our existing roster for future success, they're not doing much/any recruiting, they're not engaging with the few fans that are left. They're in all-out survivor mode and at least for tonight, I think that buys them a victory in the South Loop of Chicago. |
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Post by calhoya on Dec 29, 2022 15:40:24 GMT -5
I understand and share the frustration among the diehards. I understand and share the desire for a new coach. But my desire to see these kids get some wins to justify the time and effort they have devoted, however maddening their play at times, far outweighs any fear that having anything other than another catastrophic BE season will lead to Ewing being retained. If the Administration is evaluating Ewing's performance in any credible way then nothing that occurs between now and March, barring something miraculous, could justify retaining the coach. If the Administration is not committed to a credible review of performance then whether the team goes 8-12 or 1-19 will not make a difference.
I hope the winning starts tonight and nothing that happens in the next two months will change my opinion that Ewing was and is the wrong coach for this program and needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Although I understand that a coaching change may be the ultimate silver lining to another horrible season, I cannot openly root against the team in any game, however frustrated with the coach.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 29, 2022 15:48:42 GMT -5
Gotta get a W tonight and Sunday. Two very winnable games. I'm less worried about the long term ramifications of winning a few and that justifying continued ineptness. We all know the current set-up is ridiculous. National outlets know the set-up is ridiculous. Ronny probably knows it is ridiculous but he is more interested in cashing checks then seeing a winning product.
I'm hoping for some development to occur and for Anglin to get legit minutes (10+) as well as Riley.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 29, 2022 15:54:26 GMT -5
Gotta get a W tonight and Sunday. Two very winnable games. I'm less worried about the long term ramifications of winning a few and that justifying continued ineptness. We all know the current set-up is ridiculous. National outlets know the set-up is ridiculous. Ronny probably knows it is ridiculous but he is more interested in cashing checks then seeing a winning product. I'm hoping for some development to occur and for Anglin to get legit minutes (10+) as well as Riley. I'll take the under on that 10 minutes for either of them. Ewing has shown no inclination to play those guys any more than minimal minutes. I'd also like to see Mutombo get off the bench. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 29, 2022 16:05:50 GMT -5
I feel for the guys who came here as freshmen and are probably having a bad experience. I hope they can get Ewing out of their lives ASAP and salvage their college experience, hopefully at GU. I don’t really care about the mercenaries who transferred here. They knew what they were getting into by associating with Ewing (or should have at least) and they took the deal anyway. This team needs to lose and if it hurts their feelings that I’m pulling for that to happen, I don’t give a crap.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 29, 2022 16:11:07 GMT -5
Looking at the recruiting table, Mozone is the only player who cannot come back. These kids need a new coach.
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Post by bicentennial on Dec 29, 2022 16:15:35 GMT -5
I have always attended the GU Depaul game since Ray Meyer and John Thompson were the coaches. It gets me out and usually I take my family. I have not gone in 3 years. Just can't see spending the money to drive home after a loss. I will watch from home and hope for the best but we are only 2 games shy of joining Depaul's two 24 loss records in the Big East. 3 losses and Patrick Ewing will have the record to himself. I would never have imagined GU would let itself fall so far.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 29, 2022 17:27:07 GMT -5
Guys this game is HUGE. A loss and Patrick is a dead man walking - and he knows it. In fact a loss tonight and another on Sunday and there is no way Patrick isn't gone before February. As much as we disparage DeGoia there is no way looking at a 5-10 record, a 0-4 BE record and 24 consecutive BE losses with 2 NOVA games and Marquette coming up that DeGoia and Ewing don't come up with a "good for the program" announcement that Patrick is stepping down. While a win tonight and Sunday probably allows Ewing to finish out the season. So there is a lot riding on tonight's game.
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Post by jackofjoy on Dec 29, 2022 17:39:28 GMT -5
Guys this game is HUGE. A loss and Patrick is a dead man walking - and he knows it. In fact a loss tonight and another on Sunday and there is no way Patrick isn't gone before February. As much as we disparage DeGoia there is no way looking at a 5-10 record, a 0-4 BE record and 24 consecutive BE losses with 2 NOVA games and Marquette coming up that DeGoia and Ewing don't come up with a "good for the program" announcement that Patrick is stepping down. While a win tonight and Sunday probably allows Ewing to finish out the season. So there is a lot riding on tonight's game. You are giving Jack way too much credit imo … |
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Dec 29, 2022 18:11:07 GMT -5
Guys this game is HUGE. A loss and Patrick is a dead man walking - and he knows it. In fact a loss tonight and another on Sunday and there is no way Patrick isn't gone before February. As much as we disparage DeGoia there is no way looking at a 5-10 record, a 0-4 BE record and 24 consecutive BE losses with 2 NOVA games and Marquette coming up that DeGoia and Ewing don't come up with a "good for the program" announcement that Patrick is stepping down. While a win tonight and Sunday probably allows Ewing to finish out the season. So there is a lot riding on tonight's game. Stop giving me hope |
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Post by hoyajmw on Dec 29, 2022 18:42:32 GMT -5
Miami across 93-95 actually lost 23 games overall in conference if one counts BET games (21 regular season). So we are one behind in overall losses from tieing them for third behind the two DePaul 24 game regular season streaks (the latter of which is 25 overall if a BET loss is included). Rather quirkily, Hoyas are at 22 both regular season and including BET (overall streak started at 0 last season after magical tourney run in ‘21 but regular season streak was at 1 prior to then going 0-19 as a result of loss to UConn in last regular season game in 20-21 season) and of course our loss in BET last season means we have now lost 22 in a row regular season and 22 in a row including tournament
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 29, 2022 18:43:20 GMT -5
Gotta get a W tonight and Sunday. Two very winnable games. I'm less worried about the long term ramifications of winning a few and that justifying continued ineptness. We all know the current set-up is ridiculous. National outlets know the set-up is ridiculous. Ronny probably knows it is ridiculous but he is more interested in cashing checks then seeing a winning product. I'm hoping for some development to occur and for Anglin to get legit minutes (10+) as well as Riley. Hard for me to see a win against Butler on Sunday |
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 29, 2022 18:58:41 GMT -5
Gotta get a W tonight and Sunday. Two very winnable games. I'm less worried about the long term ramifications of winning a few and that justifying continued ineptness. We all know the current set-up is ridiculous. National outlets know the set-up is ridiculous. Ronny probably knows it is ridiculous but he is more interested in cashing checks then seeing a winning product. I'm hoping for some development to occur and for Anglin to get legit minutes (10+) as well as Riley. Hard for me to see a win against Butler on Sunday I think tonight is more winnable than Sunday's game, as Matta is a far better coach than Ewing, while Stubblefield hasn't really proven much. Plus, our guys will probably be more depressed playing in front of an empty home arena Sunday, whereas they won't care tonight since it's not a home game. |
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 29, 2022 19:01:43 GMT -5
This just feels like a win. Not a feeling I’m willing to put money behind though. It’s really hard to lose all these Big East games in a row when you have D1 talent. The odds are astronomical against it. I can’t wait until after the win for the “we are heading into 2023 on an upswing” or the “we are finally gelling” takes. If we don’t win tonight I’ll probably have the same feeling against Another pretty bad team in Butler.
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