RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 10, 2023 10:46:23 GMT -5
I have no interest in wading into the discussion about the race of our future coach, except to say that I don't think it should matter. The best person should be chosen. But, since we are talking about the cultural impact of Georgetown in the African American community, I do think it's interesting to note that in 1980, 70% of Washington DC's population was African American, whereas the latest Census estimates are 45.8%. So, the DC of John Thompson's heydey is very different than DC now. It's drastically changed even since I graduated 20 years ago. In addition to the demographic changes to the city, I would also just add that college basketball has changed dramatically since the heyday as well. It used to be that elite players like Ewing or Mourning would stay in school for 4 years. It had evolved a bit by the 90s, but a generational talent like Iverson still stayed 2 years, which never happens anymore. Nowadays, the top players are one-and-done AT BEST. An increasing number of top prospects are going to G League Ignite, Overtime Elite, playing in New Zealand, whatever. Grassroots basketball has gotten so much more sophisticated too, because of all the money on the line. Back in the 80s or early 90s good coaches actually used to go to playgrounds in inner cities to scout for prospects. Today it's so much more sophisticated, with AAU coaches, trainers, handlers, all sorts of fancy prep schools (IMG, et. al) and so on. And nobody really has much loyalty to anyone, at the high school or the college level, anymore. Players are always on the move looking for the best deal. Plus the media landscape has changed a ton. Everybody's not sitting around the tv watching Big Monday every week--there are more options than ever vying for consumers attention, not just on tv, but streaming, gaming, social media, etc. To me, when you take all these different things together, it just makes it exponentially more difficult to craft a true identity or brand today compared to yesteryear. Some coaches have done it to an extent, ie. being known for good defense, or being known as a good school to attend if you're an aspiring one-and-done, but nothing that compared to the identity that JT2 and the Hoyas had in the 80s. I'm not sure if you'll ever see something like that again. I'd love to have tremendous support from non-alumni fans, whether they're local people coming to games or not. But I don't see it happening to anywhere close to the level it used to be no matter who we hire. The landscape is just too different today, and so pursuing an old formula in hopes of restoring us to a certain position in the sports world feels like a recipe for disappointment. Best bet is to just find the surest path toward winning games, and get as many people on the bandwagon that way as we can. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 10, 2023 11:01:52 GMT -5
Does anyone think Reed has done anything to keep his job? From the moment we plucked him from noted aspirational/peer program at Cleveland St? Think he and Pat both need to go day 1 off the offseason imo. Lee Reed has done well at Georgetown in a job that is not as easy as some might think. He's responsible for 30 teams and works to maintain a positive experience for 780 student athletes and, by extension, their parents. Many, many things are not under his control (men's basketball, poor facilities for most teams, number of scholarships, etc.) so he has to work with what Georgetown gives him. Nonetheless, he's been recognized by his peers and wants to be at Georgetown. Institutionally, Georgetown takes a dim view of administrators who come to GU largely to land a better job elsewhere, and such was the case with Reed's predecessor, Bernard Muir. Another example of this was Juan Gonzalez, who was VP of Student Affairs for just three years before bolting to Arizona State. nacda.com/news/2018/7/25/Lee_Reed_Announced_as_First_Former_NACDA_Intern_to_Become_Association_amp_8217_s_President.aspxWhen you hire talent you always run the risk that they will leave. Being fearful of that and settling with safe options is not the way to go. You end up with mediocre lifers. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 10, 2023 11:25:56 GMT -5
Lee Reed has done well at Georgetown in a job that is not as easy as some might think. He's responsible for 30 teams and works to maintain a positive experience for 780 student athletes and, by extension, their parents. Many, many things are not under his control (men's basketball, poor facilities for most teams, number of scholarships, etc.) so he has to work with what Georgetown gives him. Nonetheless, he's been recognized by his peers and wants to be at Georgetown. Institutionally, Georgetown takes a dim view of administrators who come to GU largely to land a better job elsewhere, and such was the case with Reed's predecessor, Bernard Muir. Another example of this was Juan Gonzalez, who was VP of Student Affairs for just three years before bolting to Arizona State. nacda.com/news/2018/7/25/Lee_Reed_Announced_as_First_Former_NACDA_Intern_to_Become_Association_amp_8217_s_President.aspxWhen you hire talent you always run the risk that they will leave. Being fearful of that and settling with safe options is not the way to go. You end up with mediocre lifers. Geoff Chatas C' 85, former VP COO at Georgetown bolted for Michigan within six months after Ewing's extension. He lasted less than 4 years at Georgetown . . . He lasted February 2018 to August 2021. Was there any connection between the contract extension and his departure? We'll never know but Budget & Finance as well as HR in his portfolio, right at the intersection of Ewing's contract extension. In this role, Geoff will provide executive leadership for our University’s major operational functions, including Budget and Finance, Planning and Facilities Management, Human Resources, Information Services, Investment, and Internal Audit. president.georgetown.edu/messages/announcing-geoff-chatas-as-senior-vice-president-and-chief-operating-officer/news.umich.edu/u-m-selects-geoffrey-chatas-as-new-executive-vice-president-and-chief-financial-officer/H |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 10, 2023 11:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 10, 2023 11:44:19 GMT -5
And this negates any involvement in Ewing's contract extension how? His stated job description certainly seems to encompass more than what you've suggested unless you mean to say that Georgetown habitually misdescribes university positions in such a blatantly inaccurate manner. Not an administrator yet described as the Chief Operating Officer?? That's curious at best. I have no doubt you know more about the internal machinations of Georgetown University than I but to state he is not an "administrator" seems a bit of a stretch. So who was the university "administrator" who signed off on the contract extension and gave it a big thumbs up back in 2021?? Jack D alone with Board approval?? |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 10, 2023 12:05:47 GMT -5
Lee Reed has done well at Georgetown in a job that is not as easy as some might think. He's responsible for 30 teams and works to maintain a positive experience for 780 student athletes and, by extension, their parents. Many, many things are not under his control (men's basketball, poor facilities for most teams, number of scholarships, etc.) so he has to work with what Georgetown gives him. Nonetheless, he's been recognized by his peers and wants to be at Georgetown. Institutionally, Georgetown takes a dim view of administrators who come to GU largely to land a better job elsewhere, and such was the case with Reed's predecessor, Bernard Muir. Another example of this was Juan Gonzalez, who was VP of Student Affairs for just three years before bolting to Arizona State. nacda.com/news/2018/7/25/Lee_Reed_Announced_as_First_Former_NACDA_Intern_to_Become_Association_amp_8217_s_President.aspxWhen you hire talent you always run the risk that they will leave. Being fearful of that and settling with safe options is not the way to go. You end up with mediocre lifers. I assume that the other reason people leave in these types of jobs is because they can probably make more money. Other than men's basketball, I assume that Georgetown's sports staff are paid well below what huge state universities that are flush with football cash can afford and pay. In that sense, it really is a different role, and so it doesn't surprise me that people tend to leave these jobs - and it's not necessarily a bad thing. You don't need everybody to stick around for as long as DeGioia or our Admissions Director. Of course, the way to retain people is to pay more money and create a good work environment. But, I realize that universities with budgets like Arizona State can probably offer incentives and money that we cannot touch. It's just the reality of the situation. I would rather have some up-and-coming people in some of these jobs with fire in the belly, than mediocre people who are just content being in their role for 30 years. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 10, 2023 12:15:23 GMT -5
When you hire talent you always run the risk that they will leave. Being fearful of that and settling with safe options is not the way to go. You end up with mediocre lifers. I assume that the other reason people leave in these types of jobs is because they can probably make more money. Other than men's basketball, I assume that Georgetown's sports staff are paid well below what huge state universities that are flush with football cash can afford and pay. In that sense, it really is a different role, and so it doesn't surprise me that people tend to leave these jobs - and it's not necessarily a bad thing. You don't need everybody to stick around for as long as DeGioia or our Admissions Director. Of course, the way to retain people is to pay more money and create a good work environment. But, I realize that universities with budgets like Arizona State can probably offer incentives and money that we cannot touch. It's just the reality of the situation. I would rather have some up-and-coming people in some of these jobs with fire in the belly, than mediocre people who are just content being in their role for 30 years. Also, people leave to advance their careers. An opportunity to move up a rung and take on more responsibilities. I would imagine if you stay at GU (and many places) advancement is painfully slow. |
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Post by bluegray79 on Jan 10, 2023 12:18:47 GMT -5
If you haven't listened to the latest Casual Hoya podcast (Ep. 161), you should. Here's the link: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-161-hoyas-frustrating-times-continue/id1473995472?i=1000592870559The best and most hopeful advice in there -- Jack DeGioia will act if he feels the urgency and pressure to act. The most important voices he feels compelled to respond to are those of the Board of Directors. Therefore, get your words of concern for the program to the Board of Directors ASAP! Share your opinions & concerns (respectfully, of course) about the school's reputation, the downslide of the MBB program, hopes for change, the need to do what's necessary now in order to lay the groundwork for the best coach search possible (for example, PE step down now, bow out gracefully to give someone else the chance to revive the program, or announce he will stay until the end of the season and leave -- these steps will allow the school to begin looking at candidates now so we aren't entering the search phase too late to find the best coaching candidate), etc. etc. Listen to the podcast, get inspired, and make your voices heard. It can make a difference -- do it! Hoya Saxa! |
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 10, 2023 14:17:12 GMT -5
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Post by 104pleasant on Jan 10, 2023 15:02:40 GMT -5
Did any of Coach Pitino’s children attend Georgetown?
I if So, how many of his kids attended Georgetown?.
His son Richard graduated from Providence.
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 10, 2023 15:22:09 GMT -5
His son Ryan attended Georgetown. Graduated in 2010 or 2011, I believe. He was definitely on campus when I was.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 10, 2023 15:26:02 GMT -5
His son Ryan attended Georgetown. Graduated in 2010 or 2011, I believe. He was definitely on campus when I was. Class of 2012, degree in Finance from the B School. Equity Sales Trader at BMO Capital Markets Monday night, Ryan Pitino will be stuck in the middle. A second-semester freshman at Georgetown University and son of Louisville coach Rick Pitino, Ryan has taken on a role at The Hoya, Georgetown's campus newspaper. bleacherreport.com/articles/128077-louisville-georegetown-qa-with-the-hoyas-ryan-pitino |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 10, 2023 16:01:15 GMT -5
I stand corrected.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 10, 2023 16:10:44 GMT -5
If you haven't listened to the latest Casual Hoya podcast (Ep. 161), you should. Here's the link: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-161-hoyas-frustrating-times-continue/id1473995472?i=1000592870559The best and most hopeful advice in there -- Jack DeGioia will act if he feels the urgency and pressure to act. The most important voices he feels compelled to respond to are those of the Board of Directors. Therefore, get your words of concern for the program to the Board of Directors ASAP! Share your opinions & concerns (respectfully, of course) about the school's reputation, the downslide of the MBB program, hopes for change, the need to do what's necessary now in order to lay the groundwork for the best coach search possible (for example, PE step down now, bow out gracefully to give someone else the chance to revive the program, or announce he will stay until the end of the season and leave -- these steps will allow the school to begin looking at candidates now so we aren't entering the search phase too late to find the best coaching candidate), etc. etc. Listen to the podcast, get inspired, and make your voices heard. It can make a difference -- do it! Hoya Saxa! This is certainly good advice. But did we ever figure out the role of the BOD in the extension? |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 10, 2023 16:21:44 GMT -5
From Red Square, as reported by Thompson's Towel:
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daveg23
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Post by daveg23 on Jan 10, 2023 21:09:37 GMT -5
The Kentucky job opening up doesn’t help matters does it?
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Post by wsdhoya on Jan 11, 2023 0:28:20 GMT -5
The Kentucky job opening up doesn’t help matters does it? That’s not even in the same area code as the Georgetown job. Georgetown is at best the 3rd best job in the Big East right now, and that’s assuming Ronny Thompson and the rest of the Thompson cronies are removed from the program. If nepotism is still involved I’d say it’s the 10th best job in the Big East, ahead of DePaul, and that’s not a joke at all. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 11, 2023 0:57:25 GMT -5
The Kentucky job opening up doesn’t help matters does it? Kentucky is more the level of stealing another high major coach like Bama’s. We are definitely not looking at the same candidates imo |
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 11, 2023 1:01:55 GMT -5
The Kentucky job opening up doesn’t help matters does it? Kentucky is more the level of stealing another high major coach like Bama’s. We are definitely not looking at the same candidates imo The bigger concern isn’t Kentucky but the school they steal from. For example, Kentucky or UT might not ever need to give Pitino a serious look, but if they steal Oats from Bama or Musselman from Arkansas, then those programs might give him a look. It’s why time is of the essence here. If you find the guy you like and can reach an agreement on the $$, you have to seal the deal and not fall victim to the coaching carousel. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 11, 2023 5:43:59 GMT -5
Kentucky is more the level of stealing another high major coach like Bama’s. We are definitely not looking at the same candidates imo The bigger concern isn’t Kentucky but the school they steal from. For example, Kentucky or UT might not ever need to give Pitino a serious look, but if they steal Oats from Bama or Musselman from Arkansas, then those programs might give him a look. It’s why time is of the essence here. If you find the guy you like and can reach an agreement on the $$, you have to seal the deal and not fall victim to the coaching carousel. And I’d say that concern is heightened for the candidates a bit farther down our list. Let’s say the admin doesn’t want Pitino or Cooley strikes out. A lot of the up-and-coming types would also be candidates for jobs like Alabama and Arkansas, especially the guys currently coaching in the south or Midwest. |
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