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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 5, 2023 23:35:19 GMT -5
Pitino is a great man, a man of honor. and he himself would not be comfortable taking this job from his friend and former player. There would be no reason for him to risk his friendship and relationship with his friend and mentee when there are plenty of other head coaching jobs without this complication. Who would you consider on the same level? Or maybe that's unfair since Pitino is a Hall of Fame coach, but who would you consider to be a proven, available coach who could come to Georgetown and turn it around? I agree Pitino isn't the only one out there, but the list of people who are even close to that qualified is small, particularly since the mid-major up and coming ranks are not that deep at the moment. There seem to be two kinds of posters: (1) those who generally say there are lots of people who would come to Georgetown and (2) those who try to list those available who usually either list unrealistic people (like Bill Self), or people like Mike Jones who really aren't what we need right now. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2023 23:42:51 GMT -5
Pitino is a great man, a man of honor. and he himself would not be comfortable taking this job from his friend and former player. There would be no reason for him to risk his friendship and relationship with his friend and mentee when there are plenty of other head coaching jobs without this complication. Who would you consider on the same level? Or maybe that's unfair since Pitino is a Hall of Fame coach, but who would you consider to be a proven, available coach who could come to Georgetown and turn it around? I agree Pitino isn't the only one out there, but the list of people who are even close to that qualified is small, particularly since the mid-major up and coming ranks are not that deep at the moment. There seem to be two kinds of posters: (1) those who generally say there are lots of people who would come to Georgetown and (2) those who try to list those available who usually either list unrealistic people (like Bill Self), or people like Mike Jones who really aren't what we need right now. If it’s an amicable departure for Ewing enlist him to get Pitino. If acrimonious, then put Beard in counseling and get him. If you are looking for an elite coach “now” it’s probably those two. Beard would be desperate so he would take anything to be back in a power 5 even with strings attached. Beggars can’t be choosers. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2023 23:45:28 GMT -5
Plus there’s no buyout for Beard. He would come relatively cheap to what he would be worth coaching wise
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 6, 2023 9:20:44 GMT -5
There's no buyout for Pitino.
Pitino and Beard's transgressions are not remotely comparable in my eyes. I am all for giving Pitino this job, no way on Beard.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 6, 2023 9:30:18 GMT -5
It’s amazingly lucky that, in both Pitino and Mack, we have available two coaches who are 1) good coaches 2) have a demonstrated level of success at high major schools 3) are relatively cheap (no buyouts) 4) need redemption. If GU can’t figure this out this year, then it’s hopeless.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 6, 2023 9:33:55 GMT -5
There's no buyout for Pitino. Pitino and Beard's transgressions are not remotely comparable in my eyes. I am all for giving Pitino this job, no way on Beard. I see no reason to get involved in serious controversy, so Beard is a “no.” To the extent that Beard and Pitino are not “remotely comparable,” it’s because their transgressions are of a completely different variety. That in no way should minimize what has been proven about Pitino. We are in dire straights so, yeah, maybe Pitino, but attempts to minimize his actions by comparing him to an accused abuser don’t work either. |
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 6, 2023 9:36:42 GMT -5
It’s amazingly lucky that, in both Pitino and Mack, we have available two coaches who are 1) good coaches 2) have a demonstrated level of success at high major schools 3) are relatively cheap (no buyouts) 4) need redemption. If GU can’t figure this out this year, then it’s hopeless. There is a likelihood neither would want any part of this dumpster fire. GU could finally figure it out to the max, and we’ll still end up shopping in remainder aisle. |
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Post by TC on Jan 6, 2023 9:40:20 GMT -5
It’s amazingly lucky that, in both Pitino and Mack, we have available two coaches who are 1) good coaches 2) have a demonstrated level of success at high major schools 3) are relatively cheap (no buyouts) 4) need redemption. If GU can’t figure this out this year, then it’s hopeless. There is a likelihood neither would want any part of this dumpster fire. GU could finally figure it out to the max, and we’ll still end up shopping in remainder aisle. If we're a clean slate in March, we're not a dumpster fire. The dumpster fire is not the job, it's the way the program is currently run and the results. |
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 6, 2023 9:46:05 GMT -5
There is a likelihood neither would want any part of this dumpster fire. GU could finally figure it out to the max, and we’ll still end up shopping in remainder aisle. If we're a clean slate in March, we're not a dumpster fire. The dumpster fire is not the job, it's the way the program is currently run and the results. They are one and the same for the foreseeable future, regardless of how much we clean house. I suppose some ridiculous amount of money could be persuasive, even in excess of PE’s deal, but I don’t see that happening. |
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 6, 2023 9:55:39 GMT -5
There's no buyout for Pitino. Pitino and Beard's transgressions are not remotely comparable in my eyes. I am all for giving Pitino this job, no way on Beard. I see no reason to get involved in serious controversy, so Beard is a “no.” To the extent that Beard and Pitino are not “remotely comparable,” it’s because their transgressions are of a completely different variety. That in no way should minimize what has been proven about Pitino. We are in dire straights so, yeah, maybe Pitino, but attempts to minimize his actions by comparing him to an accused abuser don’t work either. Please tell me what exactly has been proven. |
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 6, 2023 9:58:48 GMT -5
I see no reason to get involved in serious controversy, so Beard is a “no.” To the extent that Beard and Pitino are not “remotely comparable,” it’s because their transgressions are of a completely different variety. That in no way should minimize what has been proven about Pitino. We are in dire straights so, yeah, maybe Pitino, but attempts to minimize his actions by comparing him to an accused abuser don’t work either. Please tell me what exactly has been proven. Do you think that Louisville forfeited 123 games and a national title on a whim? |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jan 6, 2023 9:58:55 GMT -5
To my understanding Pitino still likes horse racing too, Rosecroft and Pimilico would be ideal  |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 6, 2023 10:00:28 GMT -5
The idea that Chris Beard could even be in the mix is insane because of the charges leveled at him. It doesn't matter what "has been proven" at this point. If full facts come out showing that Beard did not engage in abuse, then there will be plenty of chance for him to get another job as a college coach. But, it's way too premature for that now. I feel like it is crazy I even need to say this. And by the way, in reference to what the good professorhoya said about Pitino, I've looked at some articles analyzing the Texas opening, and some of them do not even mention Pitino. It is not impossible, but I don't see Pitino landing in Texas. |
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 6, 2023 10:01:41 GMT -5
Please tell me what exactly has been proven. Do you think that Louisville forfeited 123 games and a national title on a whim? If we're going to do this Rick Pitino thing, we might as well deal with the facts and not speculation. |
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Post by TC on Jan 6, 2023 10:06:22 GMT -5
If we're a clean slate in March, we're not a dumpster fire. The dumpster fire is not the job, it's the way the program is currently run and the results. They are one and the same for the foreseeable future, regardless of how much we clean house. I suppose some ridiculous amount of money could be persuasive, even in excess of PE’s deal, but I don’t see that happening. They are different things. Recruits still come to a University that goes 0-20 with a coach that doesn't know what he's doing. Good coaches sign on to turn around bad programs all the time. The dumpster fire is the results and the way this program is run, and a new coach will be able to completely restaff. I'm trying hard to not insult the former player you idolize, but the dumpster fire is not the school. |
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 6, 2023 10:13:31 GMT -5
They are one and the same for the foreseeable future, regardless of how much we clean house. I suppose some ridiculous amount of money could be persuasive, even in excess of PE’s deal, but I don’t see that happening. They are different things. Recruits still come to a University that goes 0-20 with a coach that doesn't know what he's doing. Good coaches sign on to turn around bad programs all the time. The dumpster fire is the results and the way this program is run, and a new coach will be able to completely restaff. I'm trying hard to not insult the former player you idolize, but the dumpster fire is not the school. The residual effects of this are not just going away with a house cleaning, and there is a clear path to the school and the way it does things. Oh, and cheap shot noted. |
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 6, 2023 10:14:33 GMT -5
Do you think that Louisville forfeited 123 games and a national title on a whim? If we're going to do this Rick Pitino thing, we might as well deal with the facts and not speculation. I agree, and let’s leave out wishful thinking as well. |
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 6, 2023 10:33:33 GMT -5
Beard will not be a factor for us. He'll take probably a year out, then he'll pop up at a mid-major (AAC-type level) where he'll rehab his image for a couple years, and then if that goes well he will get looks from high majors again, especially if he can beat the charges or plead them down or something. He's persona non grata until it's resolved though.
I don't think Texas will really be a competitor for us for guys like Pitino or Mack. They are a strong enough program to have good options without needing to take on any baggage. Just like they did with Beard, they will pluck a coach who is already successful at a high major job, just a less attractive high major job than Texas. Oats at Alabama? Sampson? Pikiell at Rutgers? Somebody at that level is my guess. We will be more in competition with the school that needs to backfill after losing their coach to Texas than we are with Texas themselves.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Jan 6, 2023 10:52:45 GMT -5
Question for the board: If Kelvin Sampson would come to GU can he bring his son on staff (the last Houston game I saw the cameras were all over him). Why wasn't Patrick Jr allowed to be part of the coaching staff. Did I miss something. Thanks
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 6, 2023 11:16:26 GMT -5
Question for the board: If Kelvin Sampson would come to GU can he bring his son on staff (the last Houston game I saw the cameras were all over him). Why wasn't Patrick Jr allowed to be part of the coaching staff. Did I miss something. Thanks Because Georgetown has a no nepotism rule. It’s beyond parody but it’s the reason. |
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