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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 5, 2023 15:15:42 GMT -5
Clearly, we should not be in the market for Chris Beard, even though he is a fantastic coach. If the allegations against Beard are true, it's way worse than anything Pitino, Miller, or Sampson ever did. Beard didn't violate recruiting rules or lose control of his program by allowing recruits to have strippers. It's not even in the same stratosphere.
Keep in mind that Gregg Marshall was a fantastic coach at Wichita State too, got caught or was alleged to have abused players, and hasn't coached since. Universities are not professional franchises. Universities are overly sensitive to these types of issues, especially since #MeToo. College programs, even desperate ones, aren't going to take chances on abusers or alleged abusers.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 5, 2023 15:30:16 GMT -5
Rightly so.
GU is wise to be very careful about these things. Losing basketball games is one thing. The situation could get a whole lot worse than that.
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Post by bluegray79 on Jan 5, 2023 17:18:32 GMT -5
We can't let the urgency of the moment make us grab wildly at the first shiny object -- the voices I hear calling for a timely and deliberate plan whereby changes are made sooner than later concerning outgoing staff and a proper search conducted by really good people who know how to do that well is initiated -- those are the voices I want to hear from more. Let's do this right!
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2023 17:28:05 GMT -5
Clearly, we should not be in the market for Chris Beard, even though he is a fantastic coach. If the allegations against Beard are true, it's way worse than anything Pitino, Miller, or Sampson ever did. Beard didn't violate recruiting rules or lose control of his program by allowing recruits to have strippers. It's not even in the same stratosphere. Keep in mind that Gregg Marshall was a fantastic coach at Wichita State too, got caught or was alleged to have abused players, and hasn't coached since. Universities are not professional franchises. Universities are overly sensitive to these types of issues, especially since #MeToo. College programs, even desperate ones, aren't going to take chances on abusers or alleged abusers. Horrible news for the Pitino crew. Texas just became job #1. Chances of Pitino drop from 1% to .0000001% |
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 5, 2023 17:37:12 GMT -5
Clearly, we should not be in the market for Chris Beard, even though he is a fantastic coach. If the allegations against Beard are true, it's way worse than anything Pitino, Miller, or Sampson ever did. Beard didn't violate recruiting rules or lose control of his program by allowing recruits to have strippers. It's not even in the same stratosphere. Keep in mind that Gregg Marshall was a fantastic coach at Wichita State too, got caught or was alleged to have abused players, and hasn't coached since. Universities are not professional franchises. Universities are overly sensitive to these types of issues, especially since #MeToo. College programs, even desperate ones, aren't going to take chances on abusers or alleged abusers. Horrible news for the Pitino crew. Texas just became job #1. Chances of Pitino drop from 1% to .0000001% Texas has no need to hire Pitino. They have the budget and the current status to hire most high major coaches and won’t need to hire a temporary fix in his seventies. |
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Post by TC on Jan 5, 2023 17:48:04 GMT -5
Pitino is Pitino, everyone with an open job will be interested in him - they had Rick Barnes for years. We have to hope that our leadership has some bond with him.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 5, 2023 19:33:35 GMT -5
Horrible news for the Pitino crew. Texas just became job #1. Chances of Pitino drop from 1% to .0000001% It has been obvious that Beard would be dismissed for a while now, so I don't even consider this news. I fully expected the Texas job to be open. Texas fans are very full of themselves, so they might want Pitino, but they'll also want every other hot coach under the sun. I actually think that a Big East job fits Pitino better at this stage in his life (i.e., as a 70 year old coach who has already coached in the Big East and is currently coaching in the northeast, and has a history at Providence) than Texas, which has a ton more pressure. But, they could also flash major cash at Pitino and almost certainly outbid Georgetown. So, we will see what happens. If you were laying me odds on Pitino's chances really being .0000001%, I would take that bet any day. I still think Georgetown won't have the courage to even consider him, but hold out a small bit of hope they will. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 5, 2023 19:35:12 GMT -5
Pitino is Pitino, everyone with an open job will be interested in him - they had Rick Barnes for years. We have to hope that our leadership has some bond with him. Texas has a lot of money, but they also don't always make the best decisions, either. Look at their football program over the last decade. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2023 19:42:02 GMT -5
Horrible news for the Pitino crew. Texas just became job #1. Chances of Pitino drop from 1% to .0000001% It has been obvious that Beard would be dismissed for a while now, so I don't even consider this news. I fully expected the Texas job to be open. Texas fans are very full of themselves, so they might want Pitino, but they'll also want every other hot coach under the sun. I actually think that a Big East job fits Pitino better at this stage in his life (i.e., as a 70 year old coach who has already coached in the Big East and is currently coaching in the northeast, and has a history at Providence) than Texas, which has a ton more pressure. But, they could also flash major cash at Pitino and almost certainly outbid Georgetown. So, we will see what happens. If a If you were laying me odds on Pitino's chances really being .0000001%, I would take that bet any day. I still think Georgetown won't have the courage to even consider him, but hold out a small bit of hope they will. There are a lot of hurdles and problems with the Georgetown job but even if all those things are taken care of the fact that Pitino is Ewings mentor, former coach and friend is the biggest hurdle. It works basically mean that Coach Ewing would personally have to reach out to Pitino and ask him to take the Georgetown job. I don’t see that happening the way the current fan mob is trying to force him out and slander him. |
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 5, 2023 19:45:02 GMT -5
Pitino needs Patrick blessing to take this job...?
Pitino, rightfully so, could not care less whose feelings he hurts in a situation like this.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 5, 2023 19:49:19 GMT -5
There are a lot of hurdles and problems with the Georgetown job but even if all those things are taken care of the fact that Pitino is Ewings mentor, former coach and friend is the biggest hurdle. It works basically mean that Coach Ewing would personally have to reach out to Pitino and ask him to take the Georgetown job. I don’t see that happening the way the current fan mob is trying to force him out and slander him. I know you have said this before, and I agree there are many hurdles to hiring a good coach, regardless of whether his name is Pitino or someone else. Mostly, that the administration has messed up these decisions in the past, and you have vested interests (Ronny) who do not have choosing the best name in mind. That said, I think you're making a lot of assumptions. Yes, Pitino had a relationship with Ewing. But, I think your whole thing about Ewing reaching out, etc. is fanciful stuff that is possible, but not necessary. You really think if DeGioia or a representative called Pitino that he'd put the phone down because of his loyalty to Ewing? Granted, I am sure Pitino would do his diligence and maybe even talk to Ewing in that instance, but I highly doubt Ewing would have to personally ask Pitino for him to consider the job. Maybe a token courtesy phone call (and I fully expect if this happened Pitino would laud Patrick and say only great things about him). If Patrick Ewing can replace John Thompson's son as coach, anything can happen. While there are certainly some people that are going too far against Ewing, I would say that 90-95% of us simply want to replace Ewing to reverse the downfall that has happened to our program. If pointing out that Ewing is a bad coach is slander, then we will have to agree to disagree. Part of the problem, of course, is that there should be no need to "force him out," since that should have already happened last year. I think some of the fan anger you see bubble up on HoyaTalk is because people are frustrated, angry, have already talked at length about it, and they want action. Even still, I think most of us view this more tragically than anything else - nobody wants to dismiss the best player in Georgetown history, but the results leave no choice. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2023 19:50:41 GMT -5
Pitino needs Patrick blessing to take this job...? Pitino, rightfully so, could not care less whose feelings he hurts in a situation like this. Pitino is a compassionate and caring man who takes care of his former players and mentees. That’s why his players believe in him. So he would only take the Georgetown job if Pat was ok with it. Otherwise he would just pass cause there are a lot of other better jobs with less complications. That’s why I find it highly unlikely that he would ever come here. There are plenty of other good coaches who would come here. Not sure why people on here are singularly fixated on Pitino coming here when he’s the least likely to come here. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2023 19:54:07 GMT -5
There are a lot of hurdles and problems with the Georgetown job but even if all those things are taken care of the fact that Pitino is Ewings mentor, former coach and friend is the biggest hurdle. It works basically mean that Coach Ewing would personally have to reach out to Pitino and ask him to take the Georgetown job. I don’t see that happening the way the current fan mob is trying to force him out and slander him. I know you have said this before, and I agree there are many hurdles to hiring a good coach, regardless of whether his name is Pitino or someone else. Mostly, that the administration has messed up these decisions in the past, and you have vested interests (Ronny) who do not have choosing the best name in mind. That said, I think you're making a lot of assumptions. Yes, Pitino had a relationship with Ewing. But, I think your whole thing about Ewing reaching out, etc. is fanciful stuff that is possible, but not necessary. You really think if DeGioia or a representative called Pitino that he'd put the phone down because of his loyalty to Ewing? Granted, I am sure Pitino would do his diligence and maybe even talk to Ewing in that instance, but I highly doubt Ewing would have to personally ask Pitino for him to consider the job. Maybe a token courtesy phone call (and I fully expect if this happened Pitino would laud Patrick and say only great things about him). If Patrick Ewing can replace John Thompson's son as coach, anything can happen. While there are certainly some people that are going too far against Ewing, I would say that 90-95% of us simply want to replace Ewing to reverse the downfall that has happened to our program. If pointing out that Ewing is a bad coach is slander, then we will have to agree to disagree. Part of the problem, of course, is that there should be no need to "force him out," since that should have already happened last year. I think some of the fan anger you see bubble up on HoyaTalk is because people are frustrated, angry, have already talked at length about it, and they want action. Even still, I think most of us view this more tragically than anything else - nobody wants to dismiss the best player in Georgetown history, but the results leave no choice. Pitino is a great man, a man of honor. and he himself would not be comfortable taking this job from his friend and former player. There would be no reason for him to risk his friendship and relationship with his friend and mentee when there are plenty of other head coaching jobs without this complication. |
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Post by 1427hoya on Jan 5, 2023 19:54:54 GMT -5
Pitino needs Patrick blessing to take this job...? Pitino, rightfully so, could not care less whose feelings he hurts in a situation like this. Pitino is a compassionate and caring man who takes care of his former players and mentees. That’s why his players believe in him. So he would only take the Georgetown job if Pat was ok with it. Otherwise he would just pass cause there are a lot of other better jobs with less complications. That’s why I find it highly unlikely that he would ever come here. There are plenty of other good coaches who would come here. Not sure why people on here are singularly fixated on Pitino coming here when he’s the least likely to come here. Being naive here, but wouldn’t it be cool if Pat encouraged Pitino to take the Gtown job after he leaves because Pat cares about Gtown? |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2023 20:01:08 GMT -5
Pitino is a compassionate and caring man who takes care of his former players and mentees. That’s why his players believe in him. So he would only take the Georgetown job if Pat was ok with it. Otherwise he would just pass cause there are a lot of other better jobs with less complications. That’s why I find it highly unlikely that he would ever come here. There are plenty of other good coaches who would come here. Not sure why people on here are singularly fixated on Pitino coming here when he’s the least likely to come here. Being naive here, but wouldn’t it be cool if Pat encouraged Pitino to take the Gtown job after he leaves because Pat cares about Gtown? I believe something like that could actually happen if Ewing was allowed to just let the season run it’s course. But with the fan mob and vitriol and hatred from the bloggers and sudo Hoyas media this is leaving a very bitter taste and experience for him. It’s the whole Ewing can’t read stuff from the eighties (that opposing fans did) but now where his own people (Hoyas fans) are disrespecting him like he is some idiot or moron. Shame that not much has changed. A lot of the things people have been saying about Ewing on this board are down right disgusting, disrespectful and out of line. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 5, 2023 20:14:07 GMT -5
Being naive here, but wouldn’t it be cool if Pat encouraged Pitino to take the Gtown job after he leaves because Pat cares about Gtown? I believe something like that could actually happen if Ewing was allowed to just let the season run it’s course. But with the fan mob and vitriol and hatred from the bloggers and sudo Hoyas media this is leaving a very bitter taste and experience for him. It’s the whole Ewing can’t read stuff from the eighties (that opposing fans did) but now where his own people (Hoyas fans) are disrespecting him like he is some idiot or moron. Shame that not much has changed. A lot of the things people have been saying about Ewing on this board are down right disgusting, disrespectful and out of line. Oh no, Pat Ewing’s feelings are hurt. Won’t he ever get a break? So unlucky and unfair. |
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Post by bluegray79 on Jan 5, 2023 20:40:12 GMT -5
Yes, sure, to all of this, but disrespect has many faces, and one of them is thinking a 60-year old man is unable or unwilling to hear or read things about himself that he doesn't like or that he can't tell the difference between posters who are petty, sniveling individuals who say spiteful, cruel tings because they are spiteful, cruel people and those who are sincere lovers of the program and tellers of the hard truths who only want to wake up from this 10 year nightmare. I suspect that PE has heard his share of boos and invective amidst all the ovations and adulation over the years, and he takes so much of this with an 'it is what it is" shrug of the shoulders. He may not be the coach we wanted and needed right now, but he's not stupid. And he's not without feelings either, of course. He's a man, a coach, and a former player who rose to a spot among the elites of his time, who is no stranger to criticism (hey, the dude played almost his entire career in New York). He knows that the spotlight and big salary come with swift and harsh judgment. A lot of what is written here is child's play compared to what he used to hear in various NCAA arenas and see on banners hanging there. professorhoya, I enjoy hearing your take on things and look forward to future posts, but in this case I can only say 'lighten up, Francis'. I don't like the mean, spiteful stuff, but it's mostly only a few sour voices and these fora have a way of self-regulating and minimizing them.
Hopeful about & looking forward to what lies ahead.
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Post by guru on Jan 5, 2023 21:11:09 GMT -5
Pitino needs Patrick blessing to take this job...? Pitino, rightfully so, could not care less whose feelings he hurts in a situation like this. Given the scenarios about player attrition, transfers in and out and coaching hires that are dreamed up here and passed around as fact, the idea that Pitino - Ewing’s one-time coach and mentor and current friend - would be reluctant to take the job if Ewing’s dismissal gets ugly doesn’t seem like too much of a stretch. Who knows if it’s accurate or not - but it’s just as accurate as all the other fan fiction on this board. |
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Post by guru on Jan 5, 2023 21:15:53 GMT -5
Being naive here, but wouldn’t it be cool if Pat encouraged Pitino to take the Gtown job after he leaves because Pat cares about Gtown? I believe something like that could actually happen if Ewing was allowed to just let the season run it’s course. But with the fan mob and vitriol and hatred from the bloggers and sudo Hoyas media this is leaving a very bitter taste and experience for him. It’s the whole Ewing can’t read stuff from the eighties (that opposing fans did) but now where his own people (Hoyas fans) are disrespecting him like he is some idiot or moron. Shame that not much has changed. A lot of the things people have been saying about Ewing on this board are down right disgusting, disrespectful and out of line. What are you talking about? Even the cruelest and most dogged of the posters are mostly complaining that he’s an awful coach and steward of the program. A few take cheap shots at the Gold Club stuff, but that’s public record. Ewing played nearly an entire career in NYC. He’s heard worse |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Jan 5, 2023 22:50:49 GMT -5
But with the fan mob and vitriol and hatred from the bloggers and sudo Hoyas media this is leaving a very bitter taste and experience for him. It’s the whole Ewing can’t read stuff from the eighties (that opposing fans did) but now where his own people (Hoyas fans) are disrespecting him like he is some idiot or moron. Shame that not much has changed. A lot of the things people have been saying about Ewing on this board are down right disgusting, disrespectful and out of line.[/quote]
Let me help you. Ewing is a moronic and idiotic coach. He has demonstrated he should not be coaching a college basketball team or heading a program. He didn’t get an NBA HC Job and should never have been given one in college BB. He is quick to place blame on the young men he leads. For Ewing it’s windows not mirrors. If he truly cares about returning the program to “glory” then he should step down. Is the record, the transfers, the lack of graduates, the fan disengagement etc not enough?
He would be lucky to be rehired as an assistant. I suspect someone will throw him a bone to be merciful. Please walk away. The hell with “glory.” The fan base will accept mediocrity.
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