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Post by Loyal Hoya on Jan 4, 2023 0:28:30 GMT -5
Kelvin Sampson has a longer shelf life than a Pitino. He is a proven coach and despite some of his missteps in the past, has seemingly run a clean program at Houston. Given the nature of the Hoya job including resources, the recruiting area and the exposure, I would not assume that a proven coach from a more successful program would not come here. Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma and its future SEC conference for USC in what was then the struggling Pac 12. It's about opportunity and growth potential. Many coaches who would not want to succeed a Big John would probably jump at the chance to come to the Hilltop now. The bar is low and expectations low and attendance minimal. There is only one direction to go and it would seemingly be a very attractive proposition. Kelvin Sampson's missteps involved sending too many text messages to recruits. Compare that to Sean Miller whose whose assitant coach was caught on tape by the FBI saying that Miller was sending too many thousands of dollars to recruits. LOL. Any team would be lucky to have Sampson as its coach. I was never a fan of Oklahoma or Indiana, but I'm glad too see him back and successful in CBB. |
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Post by boxout05 on Jan 4, 2023 0:43:27 GMT -5
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Sampson busted for the breaking text/call rules, then busted *again* and given a Show Cause penalty for doing the exact same thing while on probation at Imdian? It wasn’t the texts that got him, it was the flagrant disregard for NCAA rules and authority. And this wasn’t exactly John Lewis causing good trouble. Cynical Boxout05 wonders if a guy would commit the exact same infraction he was already on probation for … what other rules would he break? Sampson is no saint.
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Post by KenteKrazies on Jan 4, 2023 0:44:54 GMT -5
Here’s my understanding of schools that may have HC opening this cycle. Understand there are always surprises, but this list feels really week. Could Georgetown be a Top 2 landing spot this off-season?
Probable
- Texas
- St. John’s
- Cal
- Oregon St
Possible
- Kentucky
- Stanford
- NC St
- Syracuse
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 4, 2023 0:54:04 GMT -5
Here’s my understanding of schools that may have HC opening this cycle. Understand there are always surprises, but this list feels really week. Could Georgetown be a Top 2 landing spot this off-season? Probable - Texas - St. John’s - Cal - Oregon St Possible - Kentucky - Stanford - NC St - Syracuse I actually think St. John's would be more likely to take Pitino over Georgetown than Texas. He would do an amazing job there, though he'd do a great job anywhere. I just don't feel like he fits Texas well, though. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 4, 2023 5:09:25 GMT -5
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Sampson busted for the breaking text/call rules, then busted *again* and given a Show Cause penalty for doing the exact same thing while on probation at Imdian? It wasn’t the texts that got him, it was the flagrant disregard for NCAA rules and authority. And this wasn’t exactly John Lewis causing good trouble. Cynical Boxout05 wonders if a guy would commit the exact same infraction he was already on probation for … what other rules would he break? Sampson is no saint. It's not the crime, it's the coverup. Sampson lied to the NCAA and Indiana about the violations. On Feb. 8, amidst arguably the biggest and most important two weeks of the regular season for the Indiana Hoosiers men’s basketball team, the NCAA sent a notice to Indiana University president, Michael McRobbie, detailing illegal recruiting allegations committed by head coach Kelvin Sampson and two of his assistants. The 14-page document outlined five major violations against the coaching staff and included a statement that claimed Sampson had lied about these violations to the NCAA and Indiana University. Most of the alleged violations included excessive impermissible phone calls made by the Indiana coaching staff. While violating the number of phone calls that coaches are allowed to make to recruits may seem like getting a speeding ticket for going five over, it’s still a rule that should be followed. This was the second time at the second school that Kelvin Sampson decided that this rule apparently didn’t apply to him. bleacherreport.com/articles/9873-indianas-kelvin-sampson-fool-me-once-shame-on-you-fool-me-twiceSampson cannot remove the tarnish, however. Many will remember him as a serial NCAA violator who made hundreds of impermissible recruiting phone calls at Oklahoma and again at Indiana. For those sins, he lost a dream job with the Hoosiers in 2008 and received a show-cause NCAA penalty that effectively banned him from college basketball for five years. But 11 years later, he's not as easy to dismiss as a cheating scoundrel. For one, most of the rules he blatantly violated are no longer NCAA violations, an amendment that makes it more complicated to condemn Sampson in the present. In addition, Sampson revived his career in a manner true to his nature: He outworked his shame. He went to the NBA as an assistant coach and turned stops in San Antonio, Milwaukee and Houston into a hoops pilgrimage. Now, five years into his return to college basketball, he is doing what he does best and doing it better than ever. www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-kelvin-sampson-ncaa-violations-penalty-20190314-story.html |
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 4, 2023 7:56:12 GMT -5
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Sampson busted for the breaking text/call rules, then busted *again* and given a Show Cause penalty for doing the exact same thing while on probation at Imdian? It wasn’t the texts that got him, it was the flagrant disregard for NCAA rules and authority. And this wasn’t exactly John Lewis causing good trouble. Cynical Boxout05 wonders if a guy would commit the exact same infraction he was already on probation for … what other rules would he break? Sampson is no saint. Kelvin isn’t leaving Houston but his son Kellen might. Kellen has been an assistant at a few schools prior to working for his Pops, he also served as a S&C coach at one of his stops. He has a lot of interviews out there and is pretty impressive in them in my opinion… |
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 4, 2023 8:42:05 GMT -5
He's been the head coach in waiting for a few years now. As for Kelvin, Fertitta $ won't let him go anywhere
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 4, 2023 9:14:37 GMT -5
Here’s my understanding of schools that may have HC opening this cycle. Understand there are always surprises, but this list feels really week. Could Georgetown be a Top 2 landing spot this off-season? Probable - Texas - St. John’s - Cal - Oregon St Possible - Kentucky - Stanford - NC St - Syracuse I'd add Louisville to the possible list. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 4, 2023 9:32:19 GMT -5
Here’s my understanding of schools that may have HC opening this cycle. Understand there are always surprises, but this list feels really week. Could Georgetown be a Top 2 landing spot this off-season? Probable - Texas - St. John’s - Cal - Oregon St Possible - Kentucky - Stanford - NC St - Syracuse I'd add Louisville to the possible list. Some imperfect parallels with Ewing - a former Knicks assistant returns to his alma mater where he was on its NCAAT Championship team but never having been a head coach. At least Payne has been an assistant at the DI level. uoflcardgame.com/kenny-payne-milking-university-of-louisville-hes-got-to-go/114818/ |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 4, 2023 11:01:08 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 4, 2023 12:52:18 GMT -5
I am skeptical because he's coached for 10 seasons and only has had one top 100 team. I realize that's in part the teams he has coached, but it's troubling to me that his teams from this year into the past had defenses ranked: 56, 264, 210, 102, 128, 161, 222, 264, 72, 268. Not sure I would call this legitimately successful college head coaching experience. Good coaches usually coach pretty good defense. Byington doesn't seem to be that guy. This really just further illustrates that the pool of lower-conference coaches is pretty weak at the moment. I mean, I admire that he has improved so much from last year to this year, and if he continues that another few years, I might feel differently. But it doesn't change he fact that he's coached a long time, and had some pretty bad teams. He is young, though, so maybe he's got potential, but he's just not the type of person you hire to turn around a mess like the one we have. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 4, 2023 19:26:47 GMT -5
Gates and Missouri are #20 now in the AP 25 just as an update to the people that didn’t think Ewing should’ve been fired last season
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 4, 2023 21:04:40 GMT -5
Keep him til the end but start the search now. He deserves to be as deeply humiliated as possible.
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 4, 2023 21:08:19 GMT -5
Keep him til the end but start the search now. He deserves to be as deeply humiliated as possible. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 4, 2023 21:23:25 GMT -5
It’s never the coach, always the players. Today, we weren’t healthy. 🥱
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Post by 3xhoya on Jan 4, 2023 21:27:21 GMT -5
Turn on the UConn/Providence game. Compare that to the atmosphere at our games. Jack has made decision after decision to deprive us of enjoying our University in this manner and giving us something to be proud. His entire tenure is a case study in leading from behind.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 4, 2023 23:56:46 GMT -5
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Post by wponds on Jan 5, 2023 14:43:13 GMT -5
Not saying I want him, but..
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 5, 2023 15:10:28 GMT -5
Not saying I want him, but.. From a pure coaching standpoint, it would be the polar opposite of Patrick Ewing. Obviously he's toxic and hiring him won't happen this cycle. But the same could have been said about Rick Pitino 5 years ago, Sean Miller 2 years ago, Kelvin Sampson 10 years ago, etc. |
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jan 5, 2023 15:13:38 GMT -5
Yeah I mean if y'all think Pitino is still toxic and we shouldn't touch him, can't imagine Beard wouldn't be worse.
(definitely don't support going after him)
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