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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 22, 2023 15:11:11 GMT -5
But can anyone say why Kim English to provy? I feel like there are other mid major coaches that have proven more and have more New England presence. I would’ve tried the coach from Vermont or even Colgate. English needed more time to show (and build his name nationally by having a great season or two) imo and the fact that he’s from the DMV, went to school in mizzou, and played for the pistons, so not exactly a direct connection in that way. Rick Barnes coaching tree What, if any, connection does Rick Barnes have to Providence? I mean, he's a great coach. I just don't see the connection. |
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Post by guru on Mar 22, 2023 15:21:23 GMT -5
Rick Barnes coaching tree What, if any, connection does Rick Barnes have to Providence? I mean, he's a great coach. I just don't see the connection. Well, for starters he coached there from 1988-1994. I sometimes forget that half this board (at least) never even knew the Big East in the true glory days. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 22, 2023 16:30:58 GMT -5
Yes, brain fart. You are right of course. |
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Post by reformation on Mar 22, 2023 16:40:28 GMT -5
nypost.com/2023/03/22/rick-pitino-already-visiting-5-star-boogie-fland-for-st-johns/
Will be interesting to see whether Pitino or Cooley does better on the recruiting trail (would have to think the kid mentioned in the article is still a bit of a longshot for Pitino)
Would think Gtwn is still going to do better on avg.
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Post by hoya73 on Mar 22, 2023 16:45:55 GMT -5
good hire. i really think that Pitino won't run through the Big East at any point as people think he will. A bunch of great coaches that teach the same principles as he in BE. Should be fun! Totally agree on Pitino’s likely impact at SJU being exaggerated. With apologies to some on this board, 71 is VERY old for a coach…and Jamaica NY is a bloody pit. Don’t know how anyone could visit there and GU and choose the former…unless Christ himself was coaching. I think Christ needs to prove himself at, maybe, FDU before he gets a Power Conference job. |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 22, 2023 17:05:45 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 22, 2023 17:59:10 GMT -5
Must have watched Ed's press conference
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Post by jackdog9597 on Mar 22, 2023 18:51:07 GMT -5
So, I was wrong. I was vehemently anti-Cooley and pro-Pitino. But I was wrong. Talk about winning the press conference? He was fantastic!! And the outreach to the cheerleaders and the band? I remember the days when we were told to stay far away from the team and twice as much from Pops. This really does feel like a new era. I am very cautiously optimistic. And, to put my money where my mouth is, got season tickets today. Hopefully, I'm pretty anonymous and none of you tell my wife. I need to have that discussion later.
Bottom line -- I remain an idiot, go Coach Cooley. Can't wait to be at the Final Four with you!!!
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 22, 2023 20:40:52 GMT -5
What, if any, connection does Rick Barnes have to Providence? I mean, he's a great coach. I just don't see the connection. Well, for starters he coached there from 1988-1994. I sometimes forget that half this board (at least) never even knew the Big East in the true glory days. Fair enough, but still tho I feel like there were candidates with better track records. Maybe Barnes did just talk him up in addition to a good interview because English does have potential I think |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 23, 2023 14:03:17 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 20:44:09 GMT -5
Virtually everyone would prefer Pitino, myself included. But, once you get beyond that, it's very subjective. Here's my list: Coaches Better Than Cooley But Not in Play: Pitino, Sampson, Few, R. Bennett, McDermott, Smart, Hurley, Miller, Drew, Self, Huggins, Izzo, Painter, Bennett, Pearl, Calipari, Barnes, Beard, T. Bennett, Oates, Musselman, Cronin Hurley .608 Curley .602 Cooley is 9-3 vs Hurley. Cooley zero Elite Eights in 12 years in the Big East Hurley one Elite Eight in 3 years in the Big East |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 22:43:27 GMT -5
I haven't seen this guy talked about much, but FAU is up to #38 in KenPom (that's 38 spots ahead of Iona and 39 spots ahead of College of Charleston). From an article about potential Notre Dame options to replace Brey: "DUSTY MAY, FAU CBS Sports’ Take: “No coach's stock has risen more dramatically in the mid-major ranks this season than May's has. The Indiana grad, who was a student manager under Bob Knight, is 18-1 on the season in leading No. 24 FAU to its best start in program history.” 247Sports’ Take: May is on pace to lead Florida Atlantic to its most successful season in program history. The Owls have not made it to the NCAA Tournament in two decades, and they have never won a C-USA title — regular season or tournament. May is one of the fastest-rising coaches in the nation, and it could be wise to scoop him up before someone else does." 247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Notre-Dame-basketball-coaching-candidates-Chris-Holtmann-headlines-CBS-Sports-potential-Mike-Brey-successors-203513005/#203513005_2The following article is old (2019), but it doesn't look like May has gotten an extension from his original contract, so there appears to be no buyout for whomever hires him this offseason: "Dusty May – Florida Atlantic Total Compensation: $390,000 Additional Compensation: Notes: $390,000 in annual base salary Max Bonus: $740,000 Buyout if Fired Without Cause: School may terminate contract without cause by providing coach with 30 months written notice and coach will only be entitled to compensation for the period of time employed prior to termination Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $750,000 through May 9, 2020; $600,000 if between May 10, 2020 and May 9, 2021 Contract Term Ends: May 9, 2024" watchstadium.com/college-basketball-coaching-salary-and-buyout-database-for-2019-20-season-10-24-2019/Dusty May Elite Eights: 1 Ed Cooley Elite Eights: 0 |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2023 23:13:24 GMT -5
Hurley .608 Curley .602 Cooley is 9-3 vs Hurley. Cooley zero Elite Eights in 12 years in the Big East Hurley one Elite Eight in 3 years in the Big East Hurley one Elite Eight in Big Boy Conference |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 23:37:21 GMT -5
FAU up to #17 in KenPom. That’s higher than an Ed Cooley-coached team has ever finished. kenpom.com/index.php |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2023 9:26:05 GMT -5
FAU up to #17 in KenPom. That’s higher than an Ed Cooley-coached team has ever finished. kenpom.com/index.phpWell, time to remedy that. |
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Post by seaweed on Mar 24, 2023 9:49:51 GMT -5
FAU up to #17 in KenPom. That’s higher than an Ed Cooley-coached team has ever finished. kenpom.com/index.phpJust a reminder, not every pool and punch bowl needs a turd in it and you are under no obligation to be the turd in the ones that do. 💩 |
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 24, 2023 10:07:46 GMT -5
I really like Dusty May and did even before his team was in the Elite 8. Florida Atlantic was nothing before he was there and he has built them into a pretty special team this year. Plus he's only 46 and learned from Bobby Knight, how do you not like that? It's a small sample but my intuition is that he'll be a good one. Interested to see if PSU gives him a look. FAU is going to the AAC next year, so offers like Temple, GMU, USF etc. don't seem like they'd be enough to lure him, it'd have to be a high major.
All that said, I agree with seaweed's post above. He might be a really good coach, so might be Shrewsbury, McCasland and many others. We do not need to constantly point out every possible way to look at every coach in the country as better than ours. We hired him, he has not coached a game yet, let's see how he does. None of us knows for sure whether Ed Cooley or Dusty May or anyone else will be viewed as the superior coach 5 or 10 years from now, so just let it unfold.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2023 10:14:09 GMT -5
I really like Dusty May and did even before his team was in the Elite 8. Florida Atlantic was nothing before he was there and he has built them into a pretty special team this year. Plus he's only 46 and learned from Bobby Knight, how do you not like that? It's a small sample but my intuition is that he'll be a good one. Interested to see if PSU gives him a look. FAU is going to the AAC next year, so offers like Temple, GMU, USF etc. don't seem like they'd be enough to lure him, it'd have to be a high major. All that said, I agree with seaweed's post above. He might be a really good coach, so might be Shrewsbury, McCasland and many others. We do not need to constantly point out every possible way to look at every coach in the country as better than ours. We hired him, he has not coached a game yet, let's see how he does. None of us knows for sure whether Ed Cooley or Dusty May or anyone else will be viewed as the superior coach 5 or 10 years from now, so just let it unfold. They play like Shaheens team last year. Will probably go to a stepping stone school next. IU Grad so in the end will probably end up at IU after Woody retires. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2023 10:14:11 GMT -5
I really like Dusty May and did even before his team was in the Elite 8. Florida Atlantic was nothing before he was there and he has built them into a pretty special team this year. Plus he's only 46 and learned from Bobby Knight, how do you not like that? It's a small sample but my intuition is that he'll be a good one. Interested to see if PSU gives him a look. FAU is going to the AAC next year, so offers like Temple, GMU, USF etc. don't seem like they'd be enough to lure him, it'd have to be a high major. All that said, I agree with seaweed's post above. He might be a really good coach, so might be Shrewsbury, McCasland and many others. We do not need to constantly point out every possible way to look at every coach in the country as better than ours. We hired him, he has not coached a game yet, let's see how he does. None of us knows for sure whether Ed Cooley or Dusty May or anyone else will be viewed as the superior coach 5 or 10 years from now, so just let it unfold. You have to wonder if teams like Syracuse (Autry) and Providence (English) are happy that they rushed to hire their new coaches before seeing how things in the Tournament played out. It's not like other high major programs were banging down those guys' doors so they had to get them in immediately. A Dusty May hire would look a lot more attractive than those guys, based on resumes. But I agree, I expect Penn State will come after May, but he will have the opporunity to be choosy. Would Florida-based teams with old coaches like Florida State or even Miami look to move on if they could bring in May? As for your Cooley/May points, I didn't say anything about their futures and how they are going to do, it's pretty obvious none of us know that. All I pointed out is that May has his FAU team ranked higher in KenPom than any of Ed Cooley's teams in Cooley's 17 seasons of being head coach. |
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