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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 3, 2023 12:48:06 GMT -5
Why is no one mentioning Richard Pitino? He’s 13-0 with wins against some real teams this season. He did a decent job at Minnesota (which in my opinion is like Northwestern in that it’s impossible to truly succeed there) and has UNM as the best mid major in the country at the moment. He’s almost exactly the prototype we’d be looking for in that he’s young, clean slate, plenty of experience coaching at this level, and likely not too expensive. His buyout should only be $1.2 million based on public reports.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 3, 2023 12:50:41 GMT -5
How about John Becker? I like the Vermont offense.
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Post by swhoya on Jan 3, 2023 12:56:06 GMT -5
Why is no one mentioning Richard Pitino? He’s 13-0 with wins against some real teams this season. He did a decent job at Minnesota (which in my opinion is like Northwestern in that it’s impossible to truly succeed there) and has UNM as the best mid major in the country at the moment. He’s almost exactly the prototype we’d be looking for in that he’s young, clean slate, plenty of experience coaching at this level, and likely not too expensive. His buyout should only be $1.2 million based on public reports. I've been saying this (I'm from New Mexico). In my mind, I would prefer the elder Pitino, because he is about as close to a guarantee as you can get. And he would absolutely clean house. But you may not be able to get him past the gatekeepers, for all the reasons already discussed. But I would also be happy with Lil' Pitino. He doesn't come with the baggage of his dad and would probably be cheaper. He's not a sure-fire, real deal like his dad, but he's had some success and comes with some cache. I don't think he's risky in the sense that he'll have a definite floor, but who knows where his upside is? UNM coaches don't tend to stick around--at some point (possibly after this season), he'll go somewhere else. If we can't get his dad, he'd be a good consolation prize. |
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Post by KenteKrazies on Jan 3, 2023 12:56:22 GMT -5
Why is no one mentioning Richard Pitino? He’s 13-0 with wins against some real teams this season. He did a decent job at Minnesota (which in my opinion is like Northwestern in that it’s impossible to truly succeed there) and has UNM as the best mid major in the country at the moment. He’s almost exactly the prototype we’d be looking for in that he’s young, clean slate, plenty of experience coaching at this level, and likely not too expensive. His buyout should only be $1.2 million based on public reports. Sign me up if his dad doesn’t work out. Also a longer term solution. |
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 3, 2023 13:00:24 GMT -5
Why is no one mentioning Richard Pitino? He’s 13-0 with wins against some real teams this season. He did a decent job at Minnesota (which in my opinion is like Northwestern in that it’s impossible to truly succeed there) and has UNM as the best mid major in the country at the moment. He’s almost exactly the prototype we’d be looking for in that he’s young, clean slate, plenty of experience coaching at this level, and likely not too expensive. His buyout should only be $1.2 million based on public reports. I've been saying this (I'm from New Mexico). In my mind, I would prefer the elder Pitino, because he is about as close to a guarantee as you can get. And he would absolutely clean house. But you may not be able to get him past the gatekeepers, for all the reasons already discussed. But I would also be happy with Lil' Pitino. He doesn't come with the baggage of his dad and would probably be cheaper. He's not a sure-fire, real deal like his dad, but he's had some success and comes with some cache. I don't think he's risky in the sense that he'll have a definite floor, but who knows where his upside is? UNM coaches don't tend to stick around--at some point (possibly after this season), he'll go somewhere else. If we can't get his dad, he'd be a good consolation prize. Completely agree. His father is preferred because we know the floor with him is higher than anyone else on the market. That said, if we can’t get comfortable with Elder Pitino institutionally, Young Pitino has real experience turning a program completely around. He’s in year two of his rebuild with the Lobos and they still haven’t been beaten going into January. Hell, he even beat his father (though Im not convinced Rick didn’t throw that one to make his son look good since he’s also up for a HM gig this cycle…). |
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Jan 3, 2023 13:12:35 GMT -5
Levelle Moton Mike Jones Drew Valentine Grant McCasland Kim English Robert Jones Jared Grasso Matt Langel Dana Ford Ryan Odom Anthony Grant I think Odom and McCasland are good possibilities. Also Ben McCollum has won championships NW Missouri State. I think Drew Valentine and Kim English are bright young coaches, but I'm not sure that they are ready to make the leap. |
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Post by reformation on Jan 3, 2023 13:45:30 GMT -5
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 3, 2023 13:46:47 GMT -5
I understand Pitino Sr. as a quick fix despite his baggage, but see Mack as the clear second choice. Big East experience is a huge plus, and he would likely take the job. Some of the other small school candidates might not be interested in this dumpster fire despite the money, and coaches moving up in class are not guaranteed. Mack was fired at Louisville, AFAIK, for violating school “guidelines” by taping a conversation when dismissing an assistant. How many other candidates have successful BE resumes and big time experience? This would be a “make good” job for him.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 3, 2023 14:08:57 GMT -5
I understand Pitino Sr. as a quick fix despite his baggage, but see Mack as the clear second choice. Big East experience is a huge plus, and he would likely take the job. Some of the other small school candidates might not be interested in this dumpster fire despite the money, and coaches moving up in class are not guaranteed. Mack was fired at Louisville, AFAIK, for violating school “guidelines” by taping a conversation when dismissing an assistant. How many other candidates have successful BE resumes and big time experience? This would be a “make good” job for him. Mack would be a home run. I think I prefer him even to Pitino. I'm not sure he would take the job, though. I've heard he's got school-aged kids and that he wants them to stay in the schools they are attending, after uprooting them when moving from Cincinnati to Louisville. I also don't think he needs the money (not that Pitino does, either). |
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Post by sweetness on Jan 3, 2023 14:14:39 GMT -5
I would happily take Mack or either Pitino!
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 3, 2023 14:22:05 GMT -5
I understand Pitino Sr. as a quick fix despite his baggage, but see Mack as the clear second choice. Big East experience is a huge plus, and he would likely take the job. Some of the other small school candidates might not be interested in this dumpster fire despite the money, and coaches moving up in class are not guaranteed. Mack was fired at Louisville, AFAIK, for violating school “guidelines” by taping a conversation when dismissing an assistant. How many other candidates have successful BE resumes and big time experience? This would be a “make good” job for him. Mack would be a home run. I think I prefer him even to Pitino. I'm not sure he would take the job, though. I've heard he's got school-aged kids and that he wants them to stay in the schools they are attending, after uprooting them when moving from Cincinnati to Louisville. I also don't think he needs the money (not that Pitino does, either). Mack is not coming to Georgetown. Wednesday evening, Louisville’s Board of Trustees and the Athletic Association Board of Directors agreed to a separation agreement with Mack, ending his tenure as the Cardinal headman at just under four years. As part of the agreement, Mack will receive a $4.8 million severance payment from the school. It will be paid out in $133,333.33 monthly increments beginning around Feb. 28 of this year and lasting until Jan. 31, 2025. In addition, Mack and his family will receive compensation for COBRA health insurance until June 2023. Mack declined to discuss what his future plans may be on Wednesday — he did update his Twitter bio to say “Retired Coach,” although that is, perhaps, tongue-and-cheek — but if he were to take another job in the coming years, he would still receive the severance payment in full. www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/basketball/louisville/2022/01/27/chris-macks-separation-agreement-with-university-of-louisville/9238685002/ |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jan 3, 2023 14:26:23 GMT -5
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 3, 2023 14:29:04 GMT -5
Mack would be a home run. I think I prefer him even to Pitino. I'm not sure he would take the job, though. I've heard he's got school-aged kids and that he wants them to stay in the schools they are attending, after uprooting them when moving from Cincinnati to Louisville. I also don't think he needs the money (not that Pitino does, either). Mack is not coming to Georgetown. Wednesday evening, Louisville’s Board of Trustees and the Athletic Association Board of Directors agreed to a separation agreement with Mack, ending his tenure as the Cardinal headman at just under four years. As part of the agreement, Mack will receive a $4.8 million severance payment from the school. It will be paid out in $133,333.33 monthly increments beginning around Feb. 28 of this year and lasting until Jan. 31, 2025. In addition, Mack and his family will receive compensation for COBRA health insurance until June 2023. Mack declined to discuss what his future plans may be on Wednesday — he did update his Twitter bio to say “Retired Coach,” although that is, perhaps, tongue-and-cheek — but if he were to take another job in the coming years, he would still receive the severance payment in full. www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/basketball/louisville/2022/01/27/chris-macks-separation-agreement-with-university-of-louisville/9238685002/His twitter bio doesn’t say that anymore. 5 million is a pretty penny, but he also could make that much in two seasons at a high major program. He’s also only 53, so he has many many years left to increase his net worth several times over if he continues coaching. I can’t speak to the situation with his children’s schooling, but from personal experience I have never heard of a man refusing to work and multiply his family’s wealth several times over to avoid having to switch high schools, especially not at his age. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 3, 2023 14:33:46 GMT -5
Mack is not coming to Georgetown. Wednesday evening, Louisville’s Board of Trustees and the Athletic Association Board of Directors agreed to a separation agreement with Mack, ending his tenure as the Cardinal headman at just under four years. As part of the agreement, Mack will receive a $4.8 million severance payment from the school. It will be paid out in $133,333.33 monthly increments beginning around Feb. 28 of this year and lasting until Jan. 31, 2025. In addition, Mack and his family will receive compensation for COBRA health insurance until June 2023. Mack declined to discuss what his future plans may be on Wednesday — he did update his Twitter bio to say “Retired Coach,” although that is, perhaps, tongue-and-cheek — but if he were to take another job in the coming years, he would still receive the severance payment in full. www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/basketball/louisville/2022/01/27/chris-macks-separation-agreement-with-university-of-louisville/9238685002/His twitter bio doesn’t say that anymore. 5 million is a pretty penny, but he also could make that much in two seasons at a high major program. He’s also only 53, so he has many many years left to increase his net worth several times over if he continues coaching. I can’t speak to the situation with his children’s schooling, but from personal experience I have never heard of a man refusing to work and multiply his family’s wealth several times over to avoid having to switch high schools, especially not at his age. He also sold his first house in Louisville but bought a new home there. His wife is from Louisville. I suppose he could commute back and forth between DC and Louisville, leaving his family there. While Mack may be out at the University of Louisville, it appears he will be sticking around the city. Mack and his wife, Christi, have a pending contract on a house in Hurstbourne Estate. www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2022/08/05/chris-mack-former-xavier-coach-sells-kentucky-mansion-millions/10245442002/ |
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 3, 2023 14:34:10 GMT -5
Mack would be a home run. I think I prefer him even to Pitino. I'm not sure he would take the job, though. I've heard he's got school-aged kids and that he wants them to stay in the schools they are attending, after uprooting them when moving from Cincinnati to Louisville. I also don't think he needs the money (not that Pitino does, either). Mack is not coming to Georgetown. Wednesday evening, Louisville’s Board of Trustees and the Athletic Association Board of Directors agreed to a separation agreement with Mack, ending his tenure as the Cardinal headman at just under four years. As part of the agreement, Mack will receive a $4.8 million severance payment from the school. It will be paid out in $133,333.33 monthly increments beginning around Feb. 28 of this year and lasting until Jan. 31, 2025. In addition, Mack and his family will receive compensation for COBRA health insurance until June 2023. Mack declined to discuss what his future plans may be on Wednesday — he did update his Twitter bio to say “Retired Coach,” although that is, perhaps, tongue-and-cheek — but if he were to take another job in the coming years, he would still receive the severance payment in full. www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/basketball/louisville/2022/01/27/chris-macks-separation-agreement-with-university-of-louisville/9238685002/I can’t speak to his personal situation (kids, etc), but do not see his contract status as definitive at all in terms of whether he would come here. The fact is that coaches coach, and there are any number of instances of coaches preferring a job over the remaining terms of a buyout. If we are serious we could compete with that deal long term. I’m reasonably certain Mack is not going to just sit around and collect a check from L’ville. The question should be whether he wants any part of our “program.” |
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 3, 2023 14:45:54 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 3, 2023 14:49:01 GMT -5
The problem is that a new coach has to be more than an x' and o's guy. He has to rebuild an entire program from the ground up. That means not just recruiting but also transitioning from the JT2 legacy and a University that may not be ready to do that. In short, Rick Pitino. This. Rick Pitino is so obviously the best choice (as another poster said, he's my #1-#10) that he is head and shoulders above everybody else reasonably attainable. To put it bluntly, when in the history of college basketball will an already-accomplished Hall of Fame coach be potentially available AND willing to come to Georgetown? Basically, never except now. And who knows, maybe Pitino would say no, but you have to try. Rick Pitino likely would provide the best shot in our lifetimes to win another championship. How on Earth do you turn that down in the context of where we are now? Beyond that, Chris Mack is a pretty obvious choice. Again, I did not follow him closely enough at Louisville to know what happened there, but he had sustained, long-term success with Xavier and in the Big East. That's pretty top notch. Beyond these two, you're left with people who are retired and out of the college game, and unlikely to come (Beilein) or pie-in-the-sky types like Kelvin Sampson (who would be an amazing hire). In my mind, you basically take a shot at the two above, and only when they turn you down do you move on to the next rung of coaches, which then includes people like Richard Pitino, and some of the other mid-major up and comers (but there just aren't many right now), and only then, assistants like Mike Jones. To me, the one category of people who shouldn't be under consideration unless we got desperate would be the proven-mediocre but not good head coaches like Amaker, Dawkins, etc. Choosing somebody like that would be an improvement on our current situation, but not a sign that we want to compete for the top half of the NCAA tournament. It has been great to see other Big East programs make bold hires like Miller at Xavier or Smart at Marquette. I only wish Georgetown had the same will to succeed. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 3, 2023 14:51:05 GMT -5
Mack is not coming to Georgetown. Wednesday evening, Louisville’s Board of Trustees and the Athletic Association Board of Directors agreed to a separation agreement with Mack, ending his tenure as the Cardinal headman at just under four years. As part of the agreement, Mack will receive a $4.8 million severance payment from the school. It will be paid out in $133,333.33 monthly increments beginning around Feb. 28 of this year and lasting until Jan. 31, 2025. In addition, Mack and his family will receive compensation for COBRA health insurance until June 2023. Mack declined to discuss what his future plans may be on Wednesday — he did update his Twitter bio to say “Retired Coach,” although that is, perhaps, tongue-and-cheek — but if he were to take another job in the coming years, he would still receive the severance payment in full. www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/basketball/louisville/2022/01/27/chris-macks-separation-agreement-with-university-of-louisville/9238685002/I can’t speak to his personal situation (kids, etc), but do not see his contract status as definitive at all in terms of whether he would come here. The fact is that coaches coach, and there are any number of instances of coaches preferring a job over the remaining terms of a buyout. If we are serious we could compete with that deal long term. I’m reasonably certain Mack is not going to just sit around and collect a check from L’ville. The question should be whether he wants any part of our “program.” Three kids at home, ages 8, 16, and a 17-year old who has signed to play volleyball at Mizzou. thespun.com/more/top-stories/daughter-of-longtime-college-basketball-coach-chris-mack-announces-commitment |
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Post by playtyler on Jan 3, 2023 15:11:55 GMT -5
Hard pass on Pitino Sr. and Mack. One is an over-the-hill philanderer cheater and the other is a toxic program killer. I think we need to go with a proven program builder or start with a promising hungry coach on the ascension who will tirelessly work to make us relevant again. There are lots of great established coaches who are currently employed and winning without the Pitino age and Mack baggage. We should check in to see if any of these coaches with East Coast ties stuck in far away jobs might be interested: Eric Musselman, Andy Enfield, Nate Oats, Mike Boynton, Ed Cooley (among others). If we strike out on those, we go with younger coaches who are potential long-term solutions and program builders like Gates!!!, McCasland, Pitino Jr., Medved, English, Odom.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 3, 2023 15:14:41 GMT -5
Hard pass on Pitino Sr. and Mack. One is an over-the-hill philanderer cheater and the other is a toxic program killer. I think we need to go with a proven program builder or start with a promising hungry coach on the ascension who will tirelessly work to make us relevant again. There are lots of great established coaches who are currently employed and winning without the Pitino age and Mack baggage. We should check in to see if any of these coaches with East Coast ties stuck in far away jobs might be interested: Eric Musselman, Andy Enfield, Nate Oats, Mike Boynton, Ed Cooley (among others). If we strike out on those, we go with younger coaches who are potential long-term solutions and program builders like Gates!!!, McCasland, Pitino Jr., Medved, English, Odom. Please remove Cooley from that list!!! TIA! Zero chance he departs his home state for a troubled program. And Rhode Island isn't so far away. |
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