SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 2, 2023 21:59:10 GMT -5
Steve Pikiell anyone?
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 2, 2023 22:06:00 GMT -5
15 million buyout. Not a chance. |
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Post by 3xhoya on Jan 2, 2023 23:43:53 GMT -5
People are throwing around some really sub-standard nominations for who knows why They are scared of change and doing what is best for the program. For some reason there always has to be a Thompson or D.C. tie in order to consider a coach. Jack doesn’t have the fortitude to make a good hire so we are in a spiral. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 3, 2023 0:03:58 GMT -5
If I go back and dig through my old posts, there will be one where I made a case that pikiell would be a good hire for us back in 2017. But at this point, his new contract probably has a buyout that will prevent us from ever pursuing this option |
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Post by GaithersburgHoya on Jan 3, 2023 6:20:18 GMT -5
Levelle Moton
Mike Jones
Drew Valentine
Grant McCasland
Kim English
Robert Jones
Jared Grasso
Matt Langel
Dana Ford
Ryan Odom
Anthony Grant
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 3, 2023 9:15:42 GMT -5
Levelle Moton Mike Jones Drew Valentine Grant McCasland Kim English Robert Jones Jared Grasso Matt Langel Dana Ford Ryan Odom Anthony Grant This is a list that could put the final nail in the coffin. |
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Post by oldhoyafan3 on Jan 3, 2023 9:24:54 GMT -5
People are throwing around some really sub-standard nominations for who knows why They are scared of change and doing what is best for the program. For some reason there always has to be a Thompson or D.C. tie in order to consider a coach. Jack doesn’t have the fortitude to make a good hire so we are in a spiral. |
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royski
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Post by royski on Jan 3, 2023 9:36:13 GMT -5
This needs to be finished so we can start this search in earnest. Obviously it will not be, because Georgetown's leadership has proven itself utterly incompetent.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 3, 2023 9:43:45 GMT -5
Levelle Moton Mike Jones Drew Valentine Grant McCasland Kim English Robert Jones Jared Grasso Matt Langel Dana Ford Ryan Odom Anthony Grant This is a list that could put the final nail in the coffin. You do your due diligence, you make an informed decision, and you live with it. The odds of our getting a coach with an established pedigree at a high-major school are slim. I know there are names out there that would fit that bill but it's more likely you get a coach that is either a retread at a high major (that is, already had a job at this level and failed at it), or one that has had some success at lower levels (some of the names above), or one that is a well-regarded assistant at a high-major school. Folks can disagree about whether one of the categories above is better than another, but it's almost surely going to be in one of those categories. And it may be that one of the categories above isn't generally your first choice, but there's an individual within it that nonetheless seems head and shoulders above any other candidates. So, you develop a robust process, you go through that process, and you make a call. At a certain level, it's a crapshoot. If you hire someone and it doesn't work, you do it all over again. That's the nature of the beast. Once (if?!?) you get the right guy, things can turn around extremely quickly. This remains a highly desirable job for lots of people. A team in a major conference. Basketball is the primary sport at the school. The team has been to four final fours in the "modern era" of the sport. Almost any job at a major conference school that is open will by definition be a big rebuild. With each passing year of incompetence it gets harder. No question. But there won't be very many if any jobs that are open that will seem more desirable. |
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Post by drquigley on Jan 3, 2023 10:54:37 GMT -5
The problem is that a new coach has to be more than an x' and o's guy. He has to rebuild an entire program from the ground up. That means not just recruiting but also transitioning from the JT2 legacy and a University that may not be ready to do that. In short, Rick Pitino.
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 3, 2023 10:55:33 GMT -5
I get very confused by the Drew Valentine inclusions (and it's not just us, saw a St. John's list with his name on it). He's lighting what Moser built on fire.
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Post by practice on Jan 3, 2023 11:05:08 GMT -5
If not Pitino, I'd suggest camping out on Chris Mack's front yard. Then, I would see how with it John Beilein is this days ... and if he has any interest in return. Need to win immediately. The opportunity to roll the dice was after JT3 ... and it was a complete and utter failure. Should have hired the young guy w/DC roots and give him 3 years ... instead JT2, Falk and DeGioia "convinced" Patrick to give up/defer his NBA dreams. Program is dead ... not on life support ... dead. Need a miracle worker. I for one would hire the world renown surgeon and not the kid out of medical school if I needed to be revived. Paging Dr. Pitino!
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 3, 2023 11:07:32 GMT -5
Levelle Moton Mike Jones Drew Valentine Grant McCasland Kim English Robert Jones Jared Grasso Matt Langel Dana Ford Ryan Odom Anthony Grant There isn’t a single guy on this list that is a fit sadly. These are all either underwhelming coaches that don’t raise the ceiling or high risk high reward types we shouldnt take a chance with at this juncture. |
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jan 3, 2023 11:22:41 GMT -5
Yeah so what's the list of established guys we'd have on a wish list? *Note I am not saying likely that we could actually lure them away, but a fun thought exercise nonetheless of the best coach's in the NCAA.
For example:
Mark Few?
Tommy Lloyd?
Scott Drew?
Kelvin Sampson?
Who else would be on that pie in the sky list?
The worst part is Pitino is literally perfect for what we need...attainable and a hall of famer. I'm so beaten down by Gtown it's too much of a layup to actually happen
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 3, 2023 11:25:02 GMT -5
If I go back and dig through my old posts, there will be one where I made a case that pikiell would be a good hire for us back in 2017. But at this point, his new contract probably has a buyout that will prevent us from ever pursuing this option If you were high on him in 2017, before he had done much of anything yet at Rutgers, then well done. Making Stony Brook decent is an accomplishment in and of itself, but not sure it would have made him for a major program outside the NY/NJ region. But what he has done to revive Rutgers is nothing short of miraculous. Rutgers very smart to extend him with a big buy out, but I would not be surprised if a more notable program in the future pays it. |
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 3, 2023 11:32:45 GMT -5
Ryan Odom, Beilein over Pitino, Brian Dutcher if you want to go high risk, high reward: Dawn Staley Odom is the best overall choice - youth, experience, mid-Atlantic ties Dutcher was the leading candidate for the Minnesota job (where Dutch is from) when it last came open, but he turned it down to stay at SDSU. No chance he leaves now, particularly given rumors SDSU will be in the PAC10/12/? soon. Ryan Odom is a good coach, but not sure he would recruit well at this level. Beilein or Pitino would both be excellent short term fixes to bring energy back to the program. Don't know much about Staley, but I'm in camp that says now is not a time for "high risk". |
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 3, 2023 11:36:17 GMT -5
Nate Oats is my pie in the sky dream. Ewing makes more than him - roughly by $700K - his buyout is sizable but not unreasonably large ($9 million I think)
Just would be a matter (like many others) of how he views this job and if the upside of it is worth leaving for. Likely not for where he has Alabama currently and being in the SEC (although guessing he'd trade Tuscaloosa living for DC).
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jan 3, 2023 11:38:05 GMT -5
Nate Oats is my pie in the sky dream. Ewing makes more than him - roughly by $700K - his buyout is sizable but not unreasonably large ($9 million I think) Just would be a matter (like many others) of how he views this job and if the upside of it is worth leaving for. Likely not for where he has Alabama currently and being in the SEC (although guessing he'd trade Tuscaloosa living for DC). Ah yeah good call, I forgot about Oates. That would certainly be interesting |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 3, 2023 11:55:02 GMT -5
Nate Oats is my pie in the sky dream. Ewing makes more than him - roughly by $700K - his buyout is sizable but not unreasonably large ($9 million I think) Just would be a matter (like many others) of how he views this job and if the upside of it is worth leaving for. Likely not for where he has Alabama currently and being in the SEC (although guessing he'd trade Tuscaloosa living for DC). I don't see us paying Ewing $11M, whatever hush money we have to pay Ronny to go away, plus a $9M buyout to Alabama for the right to pay Oats $5M/year over 5 years. Hope I'm wrong, but I think the $11M buyout will be restrictive in what's left over that we can pay the next coach. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 3, 2023 12:04:15 GMT -5
Lloyd is certainly the best example, but he was on staff for 20 years at the most consistent program in the country. Mike Jones is a year and a half in at a college program - and I forgot to add this, but if anyone actually watches Va Tech - he does nothing in-game. Young brought a young, sharp assistant with him from Wofford that runs the offense and calls out sets on the whiteboard. Jone's is there to get some DMV guys in the program and expand the recruiting footprint. That's fine, but 'DawgTalk's assertion that VA Tech didn't take off until he got there last year is laughable. Mike Young is an exceptional coach - and if I were going to offer any support for Jones it is in fact that Mike Young found him as a value add to his program. How about Kellen Sampson? |
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