SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 16, 2022 8:39:52 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 16, 2022 9:20:48 GMT -5
“I’ve known Patrick since he was 18.” Coach will not be fired mid-season that is certain. We would need to go 3-17 in conference or worse to gain any traction for end of season removal. That said, I would fully expect JD to show support for Ewing at this type of event and early in the season. I never expected Ewing to go anywhere mid-season but this is just depressing. |
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 16, 2022 9:33:59 GMT -5
“I’ve known Patrick since he was 18.” Coach will not be fired mid-season that is certain. We would need to go 3-17 in conference or worse to gain any traction for end of season removal. That said, I would fully expect JD to show support for Ewing at this type of event and early in the season. I never expected Ewing to go anywhere mid-season but this is just depressing. I see Jack D's statement as an admission against interest. He is basically conceding that his longtime personal relationship with Ewing supersedes the good governance of the Hoya basketball program. Some may call that cronyism. |
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 16, 2022 9:38:43 GMT -5
When does the extension expire ? That will be the day to think about GU winning again. Head, meet sand. “We are SOOOO special and above it all, we can’t be expected to succeed in this new environment, like those other bandit schools, in conference and out.” Maybe the NESCAC has an opening for us, Jack… Meanwhile, we're hiring Nickelberry and bringing in transfers from LSU. He's using the failure of the program in wins and losses to suggest that the program is clean when any reasonable person would question whether that is true given their actions (run offs, Nickelberry, high profile transfers in, etc). |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 16, 2022 9:40:28 GMT -5
Head, meet sand. “We are SOOOO special and above it all, we can’t be expected to succeed in this new environment, like those other bandit schools, in conference and out.” Maybe the NESCAC has an opening for us, Jack… Meanwhile, we're hiring Nickelberry and bringing in transfers from LSU. Don't forget there were reports that Ronny was trying to bring Broadus back into the fold, too. It's fine to hire people with personal foibles, as long as they are in the family, or at least get family approval. |
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 16, 2022 13:25:30 GMT -5
Meanwhile, we're hiring Nickelberry and bringing in transfers from LSU. Don't forget there were reports that Ronny was trying to bring Broadus back into the fold, too. It's fine to hire people with personal foibles, as long as they are in the family, or at least get family approval. For sure that’s classic church behavior, forgiving when it’s convenient or helpful to you but damn everyone else |
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Post by boxout05 on Dec 17, 2022 0:50:58 GMT -5
Meanwhile, we're hiring Nickelberry and bringing in transfers from LSU. Don't forget there were reports that Ronny was trying to bring Broadus back into the fold, too. It's fine to hire people with personal foibles, as long as they are in the family, or at least get family approval. The substance of your arguments aren’t wrong regarding Broadus and Nickleberry, but let’s also be real. You can hire a sketchy assistant coach and it won’t register for 99% of stakeholders. Hiring disgraced head coach Rick Pitino who won titles at two schools and still had to flee to Greece to get away from affair/abortion/pay2play/hookers2play scandals is an entirely different discussion. He’s also not “one of ours”, which is why I don’t think it’ll ever happen. |
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 17, 2022 12:25:13 GMT -5
Don't forget there were reports that Ronny was trying to bring Broadus back into the fold, too. It's fine to hire people with personal foibles, as long as they are in the family, or at least get family approval. The substance of your arguments aren’t wrong regarding Broadus and Nickleberry, but let’s also be real. You can hire a sketchy assistant coach and it won’t register for 99% of stakeholders. Hiring disgraced head coach Rick Pitino who won titles at two schools and still had to flee to Greece to get away from affair/abortion/pay2play/hookers2play scandals is an entirely different discussion. He’s also not “one of ours”, which is why I don’t think it’ll ever happen. These hypothetical people that remember all the details of a scandal at Louisville 5 years ago and that have no idea what our program is doing right now (Nickelberry, attempted hires of Brooks, Broadus, Payne, etc) do not exist. The one thing I learned about the fanbase from the Ewing hire is that in the end people will rally around the flag. Hiring a guy with no college experience was a terrible idea, and if you read the posts from that era, everyone considered it a terrible idea until it became real and then everyone talked themselves into it. If we hired Pitino, everyone would rally around the flag for it. |
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boxout05
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Post by boxout05 on Dec 17, 2022 15:40:00 GMT -5
People don’t need to remember every detail, they can just associate Pitino with sleaze. I bet lots of those people exist. And when you do hire him, what’s the first line of the story? ‘Disgraced coach comes to Gtown.’ Then everyone else will remember too.
I don’t doubt whether bball fans will rally around the flag, it’s all the other stakeholders JD has to deal with. Otherwise, and if winning was all that mattered, how did we get where we are and why wouldn’t you hire him after last season? No one would be happier than me, but I’d bet anything it never happens.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 17, 2022 16:57:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure whoever is picked to replace Ewing will get general support, e.g. rally round the flag support. But it probably won't last long and we have to remember that some of the best college coaches (Wright, Coach K) needed a few years to turn their programs around. I think the main thing we all will be looking for is not necessarily immediate wins but some sort of intelligent design. By that I mean understanding how the game is played today and having a system that works in it, finding recruits who fit your system and developing (i.e. playing!) them, being able to see patterns developing during a game and making proper adjustments, and finally showing that you are as committed to the reputation of the University as you are to winning.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 17, 2022 19:56:26 GMT -5
People don’t need to remember every detail, they can just associate Pitino with sleaze. I bet lots of those people exist. And when you do hire him, what’s the first line of the story? ‘Disgraced coach comes to Gtown.’ Then everyone else will remember too. I really don't think that's what the headlines would say. Here are some from 2020, when Iona hired him. NY Times, 3/14/2020: Iona Hires Rick Pitino as Its New Coach Forbes, 3/14/2020: Rick Pitino Returns To College Basketball To Coach Iona NY Post, 3/14/2020: Iona hires Rick Pitino as head coach in stunning move ESPN, 3/14/2020: Rick Pitino returns to college basketball as Iona coach How could we possibly handle such headlines? And they'd probably more favorable in March 2023, given his success at Iona. The problem with hiring Pitino is that he's not among the cadre of people that were close to John Thompson, and thus, he would be unacceptable to Jack DeGioia, and it is unlikely that even if the program moves on, that they would even consider him. Just like they didn't even bother interviewing Hurley in 2017, and now look at him at Connecticut. The same thing will be true in a few years when Pitino brings a program back to the Sweet 16+. It could certainly be ours, but the way Georgetown works, we will hire James Jones, improve to a 100 ranked team rather than 175, and call that a massive success. And then we will watch some other program, who made a bold move, dancing in March while we are hoping for improvement next year. Those who worry about the ramifications of hiring Pitino as far as the impact on alumni/perception are either taking a highly ethical approach (which I respect, but Ewing may not fit the bill either), are incredibly risk averse (certainly fits many at Georgetown), or simply don't want anybody that isn't in the extended Georgetown family. As I've said before, I can accept arguments against Pitino based on the Louisville stuff. While I don't think that's enough to pass on him (at least not without some due diligence), I can respect those who want to take that high-brow approach. I just think it's silly when we have Ewing who had his own wild playing days, and Nickelberry who was on a staff that paid players. And everybody knows that if Rick Pitino had the same exact background, but had coached with John Thompson 20 years ago, or somehow had close relationships with people in the Georgetown community, he'd be a shoe in. I am not saying for all, but for many, the scandal stuff is simply a way to reject him without fessing up to it being because he is an outsider. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 17, 2022 20:54:40 GMT -5
People don’t need to remember every detail, they can just associate Pitino with sleaze. I bet lots of those people exist. And when you do hire him, what’s the first line of the story? ‘Disgraced coach comes to Gtown.’ Then everyone else will remember too. I really don't think that's what the headlines would say. Here are some from 2020, when Iona hired him. NY Times, 3/14/2020: Iona Hires Rick Pitino as Its New Coach Forbes, 3/14/2020: Rick Pitino Returns To College Basketball To Coach Iona NY Post, 3/14/2020: Iona hires Rick Pitino as head coach in stunning move ESPN, 3/14/2020: Rick Pitino returns to college basketball as Iona coach How could we possibly handle such headlines? And they'd probably more favorable in March 2023, given his success at Iona. The problem with hiring Pitino is that he's not among the cadre of people that were close to John Thompson, and thus, he would be unacceptable to Jack DeGioia, and it is unlikely that even if the program moves on, that they would even consider him. Just like they didn't even bother interviewing Hurley in 2017, and now look at him at Connecticut. The same thing will be true in a few years when Pitino brings a program back to the Sweet 16+. It could certainly be ours, but the way Georgetown works, we will hire James Jones, improve to a 100 ranked team rather than 175, and call that a massive success. And then we will watch some other program, who made a bold move, dancing in March while we are hoping for improvement next year. Those who worry about the ramifications of hiring Pitino as far as the impact on alumni/perception are either taking a highly ethical approach (which I respect, but Ewing may not fit the bill either), are incredibly risk averse (certainly fits many at Georgetown), or simply don't want anybody that isn't in the extended Georgetown family. As I've said before, I can accept arguments against Pitino based on the Louisville stuff. While I don't think that's enough to pass on him (at least not without some due diligence), I can respect those who want to take that high-brow approach. I just think it's silly when we have Ewing who had his own wild playing days, and Nickelberry who was on a staff that paid players. And everybody knows that if Rick Pitino had the same exact background, but had coached with John Thompson 20 years ago, or somehow had close relationships with people in the Georgetown community, he'd be a shoe in. I am not saying for all, but for many, the scandal stuff is simply a way to reject him without fessing up to it being because he is an outsider. Any guesses where Pitino may end up? Capel at Pitt is on thin ice and I think they also gave him a boneheaded extension so they might need a cheap solid option like Pitino is |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 17, 2022 23:14:26 GMT -5
I am not sure why everyone is assuming Pitino would be cheap. Yes, he’s making less than $1 million at Iona, but Iona likely cannot pay him more and it was also an opportunity for him to get back into college coaching. While I don’t think Pitino is in a position to demand anything close to his salary at Louisville, he’s also a Hall of Fame coach.
If he moves to a high major conference, I would think he’d get something in the $2-$3 million range, if not more. Someone will give him that if he continues to have success at Iona.
That said, I do think at this stage in his life Pitino likely cares more about fit than he may have years ago. So I could see him taking less than the highest bidder, but the idea anyone is going to get Pitino on the cheap I think is really unlikely.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 18, 2022 0:25:45 GMT -5
I am not sure why everyone is assuming Pitino would be cheap. Yes, he’s making less than $1 million at Iona, but Iona likely cannot pay him more and it was also an opportunity for him to get back into college coaching. While I don’t think Pitino is in a position to demand anything close to his salary at Louisville, he’s also a Hall of Fame coach. If he moves to a high major conference, I would think he’d get something in the $2-$3 million range, if not more. Someone will give him that if he continues to have success at Iona. That said, I do think at this stage in his life Pitino likely cares more about fit than he may have years ago. So I could see him taking less than the highest bidder, but the idea anyone is going to get Pitino on the cheap I think is really unlikely. He may not be cheap cheap but the major thing is that he doesn’t have a buyout, allegedly. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 18, 2022 6:29:03 GMT -5
People don’t need to remember every detail, they can just associate Pitino with sleaze. I bet lots of those people exist. And when you do hire him, what’s the first line of the story? ‘Disgraced coach comes to Gtown.’ Then everyone else will remember too. I really don't think that's what the headlines would say. Here are some from 2020, when Iona hired him. NY Times, 3/14/2020: Iona Hires Rick Pitino as Its New Coach Forbes, 3/14/2020: Rick Pitino Returns To College Basketball To Coach Iona NY Post, 3/14/2020: Iona hires Rick Pitino as head coach in stunning move ESPN, 3/14/2020: Rick Pitino returns to college basketball as Iona coach How could we possibly handle such headlines? And they'd probably more favorable in March 2023, given his success at Iona. The problem with hiring Pitino is that he's not among the cadre of people that were close to John Thompson, and thus, he would be unacceptable to Jack DeGioia, and it is unlikely that even if the program moves on, that they would even consider him. Just like they didn't even bother interviewing Hurley in 2017, and now look at him at Connecticut. The same thing will be true in a few years when Pitino brings a program back to the Sweet 16+. It could certainly be ours, but the way Georgetown works, we will hire James Jones, improve to a 100 ranked team rather than 175, and call that a massive success. And then we will watch some other program, who made a bold move, dancing in March while we are hoping for improvement next year. Those who worry about the ramifications of hiring Pitino as far as the impact on alumni/perception are either taking a highly ethical approach (which I respect, but Ewing may not fit the bill either), are incredibly risk averse (certainly fits many at Georgetown), or simply don't want anybody that isn't in the extended Georgetown family. As I've said before, I can accept arguments against Pitino based on the Louisville stuff. While I don't think that's enough to pass on him (at least not without some due diligence), I can respect those who want to take that high-brow approach. I just think it's silly when we have Ewing who had his own wild playing days, and Nickelberry who was on a staff that paid players. And everybody knows that if Rick Pitino had the same exact background, but had coached with John Thompson 20 years ago, or somehow had close relationships with people in the Georgetown community, he'd be a shoe in. I am not saying for all, but for many, the scandal stuff is simply a way to reject him without fessing up to it being because he is an outsider. And remember, one of his sons went to GU! So if we were to hire Pitino, we could structure the press release (and he could frame his public comments) to emphasize that he does have longstanding ties to the university! (I’ll also not, and mods feel free to delete this part if it’s crossing the line because Ryan Pitino isn’t really a public figure, that Ryan follows several Georgetown/Big East accounts on Twitter. So I’m confident that the plight of the Hoyas is a subject of family conversions in Casa Pitino.) |
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 20, 2022 18:14:16 GMT -5
Buzz Williams anybody?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 20, 2022 18:19:53 GMT -5
If there's anybody the Georgetown holier than thou types hate more than Rick Pitino, it might be Buzz Williams.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 20, 2022 18:52:13 GMT -5
Would take Buzz Williams in a heartbeat.
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 20, 2022 21:35:31 GMT -5
Would take Buzz Williams in a heartbeat. 😂 |
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Post by SaxaCD on Dec 20, 2022 22:01:01 GMT -5
If there's anybody the Georgetown holier than thou types hate more than Rick Pitino, it might be Buzz Williams. Not being holier-than-thou about it, in my case. Just don't think he'd work at all, and is a tough character to like. |
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