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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Dec 20, 2022 22:04:05 GMT -5
If there's anybody the Georgetown holier than thou types hate more than Rick Pitino, it might be Buzz Williams. Not being holier-than-thou about it, in my case. Just don't think he'd work at all, and is a tough character to like. Yeah Buzz rubbed me the wrong way. Perhaps it was that game where the flu beat Marquette, not the Hoyas. |
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Post by SaxaCD on Dec 20, 2022 22:06:40 GMT -5
I thought he was a fine "rah-rah" type, but if anybody is looking for more Xs and Os, I never really saw that with Buzz.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 20, 2022 22:28:10 GMT -5
Would take Buzz Williams in a heartbeat. Seconded |
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Post by hoya73 on Dec 21, 2022 10:22:37 GMT -5
Much rather have STEVE PROHM than Curly
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Post by 104pleasant on Dec 21, 2022 12:41:38 GMT -5
If there's anybody the Georgetown holier than thou types hate more than Rick Pitino, it might be Buzz Williams. Why do the “holier than thous” dislike Buzz Williams ? I am on Team Pitino but IMO Buzz would be a big- big upgrade over the present coaching tree. |
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 21, 2022 14:23:50 GMT -5
If there's anybody the Georgetown holier than thou types hate more than Rick Pitino, it might be Buzz Williams. Why do the “holier than thous” dislike Buzz Williams ? I am on Team Pitino but IMO Buzz would be a big- big upgrade over the present coaching tree. Buzz Lightyear would be a big upgrade over our current staff. |
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Post by Highsmith on Dec 22, 2022 6:39:45 GMT -5
Yeah.....I guess I'd give anyone a chance over Ewing right now, but Buzz is right near the bottom of the list. Really unlikable for me.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 22, 2022 7:48:42 GMT -5
If there's anybody the Georgetown holier than thou types hate more than Rick Pitino, it might be Buzz Williams. Why do the “holier than thous” dislike Buzz Williams ? I am on Team Pitino but IMO Buzz would be a big- big upgrade over the present coaching tree. So too would be a Magic 8 Ball or Ouija Board… |
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 22, 2022 9:00:01 GMT -5
We can do much better than Buzz - who personality wise couldn't be an odder fit at Georgetown. He's a grifter who can't win games anymore.
Hurley - well, his teams would play hard and defend but show the offensive structure and intelligence of Esherick teams. No thanks.
would rather give a guy like James Jones a crack at a big time job before fighting for NIT seeding every year.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 22, 2022 9:35:13 GMT -5
would rather give a guy like James Jones a crack at a big time job before fighting for NIT seeding every year. He would have been my hire in 2016, but ship has sailed---we need someone who can turn program around immediately---I am on Pitino train. Not many guys like that around anymore---Larry Brown if it was 10 years ago. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 22, 2022 10:14:44 GMT -5
Always hated Buzz. Crean was right up there too. Prohm or Forbes I would like. Pitino is the bridge though w/ Mike Jones brought in as the DC fixer.
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Post by TC on Dec 22, 2022 10:14:55 GMT -5
Pitino or bust this time. We need someone who can turn around a team in 3 years and not stick around to be an albatross contract. Not sure if the admin will let this post hang around but I hope so, it's the #1 thing fans of the program are interested in, and the only thing giving us hope is that this may soon come to an end and a new coach will save us. The thread on this topic from last year is still fairly relevant, available here: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32897/college-basketball-coaches-discussionSome of the names that were discussed at that point and that did not end up moving up last off-season include: Rhoades (VCU) Grant (Dayton) Pitino (Iona) Mack (former Xavier and Louisville) English (George Mason) J. Jones (Yale) M. Jones (VA Tech Assistant) McCasland (North Texas) N. Smith (Louisville Assistant) Langel (Colgate) Stock on some of these guys has gone up and down since then, and that'll continue to happen as this year unfolds. We'll also for sure see other coaches who were not known last year who will emerge this spring. Can anyone imagine this job, possibly going winless in the Big East two years in a row and requiring a complete culture overhaul and someone with the stature to push out an entrenched CoS, as a first job for an assistant? In a normal BE hiring situation, you take someone who has already turned around a school at a lower level. English hasn't done that yet. Jones managed to, but it took him a long time to do it. Even coaches like Rhoades - he took over a 26-win VCU team. Chris Mack took over two 20+ win teams in Louisville and Xavier. They are good coaches, but can they turn around something that has bottomed out so low and that has so many issues? Pitino's entire career has been taking over messes and making them into superpowers in 2 years. He's done it twice in the SEC, once in the BE, at BU and at Iona. He's old and term limited and the administration won't be able to trap themselves into a long term contract because he'll either retire or move up another level. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 22, 2022 12:12:22 GMT -5
Pitino or bust this time. We need someone who can turn around a team in 3 years and not stick around to be an albatross contract. Not sure if the admin will let this post hang around but I hope so, it's the #1 thing fans of the program are interested in, and the only thing giving us hope is that this may soon come to an end and a new coach will save us. The thread on this topic from last year is still fairly relevant, available here: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32897/college-basketball-coaches-discussionSome of the names that were discussed at that point and that did not end up moving up last off-season include: Rhoades (VCU) Grant (Dayton) Pitino (Iona) Mack (former Xavier and Louisville) English (George Mason) J. Jones (Yale) M. Jones (VA Tech Assistant) McCasland (North Texas) N. Smith (Louisville Assistant) Langel (Colgate) Stock on some of these guys has gone up and down since then, and that'll continue to happen as this year unfolds. We'll also for sure see other coaches who were not known last year who will emerge this spring. Can anyone imagine this job, possibly going winless in the Big East two years in a row and requiring a complete culture overhaul and someone with the stature to push out an entrenched CoS, as a first job for an assistant? In a normal BE hiring situation, you take someone who has already turned around a school at a lower level. English hasn't done that yet. Jones managed to, but it took him a long time to do it. Even coaches like Rhoades - he took over a 26-win VCU team. Chris Mack took over two 20+ win teams in Louisville and Xavier. They are good coaches, but can they turn around something that has bottomed out so low and that has so many issues? Pitino's entire career has been taking over messes and making them into superpowers in 2 years. He's done it twice in the SEC, once in the BE, at BU and at Iona. He's old and term limited and the administration won't be able to trap themselves into a long term contract because he'll either retire or move up another level. While I do agree Pitino is by far the best coach on the table for a turnaround (especially with Gates gone which was really disappointing) but also Mccasland (age 46) has done a good turnaround job at North Texas who hadn’t made a tournament (including NIT) since 2010: 2017/18, CBI Champions 18/19, 21-12 no post season 19/20, 20-11 1st place, Post season cancelled but they are picked as likely in the tournament (at least qualified for NIT) 20/21, 3rd in conference and wins CT, Upsets Purdue (4 seed) and loses in round of 32 against nova 21/22, regular season champion, NIT second round This season they are currently #58 in KenPom. Pretty much had a successful season 4 out of 5 seasons and his first coaching job was D2 and made the elite eight of that tournament both years he was there |
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Post by cas92 on Dec 22, 2022 23:14:18 GMT -5
Pitino or bust this time. We need someone who can turn around a team in 3 years and not stick around to be an albatross contract. Can anyone imagine this job, possibly going winless in the Big East two years in a row and requiring a complete culture overhaul and someone with the stature to push out an entrenched CoS, as a first job for an assistant? In a normal BE hiring situation, you take someone who has already turned around a school at a lower level. English hasn't done that yet. Jones managed to, but it took him a long time to do it. Even coaches like Rhoades - he took over a 26-win VCU team. Chris Mack took over two 20+ win teams in Louisville and Xavier. They are good coaches, but can they turn around something that has bottomed out so low and that has so many issues? Pitino's entire career has been taking over messes and making them into superpowers in 2 years. He's done it twice in the SEC, once in the BE, at BU and at Iona. He's old and term limited and the administration won't be able to trap themselves into a long term contract because he'll either retire or move up another level. While I do agree Pitino is by far the best coach on the table for a turnaround ( especially with Gates gone which was really disappointing) Gates and Missouri now 11-1 (the lone loss a beatdown by Kansas), dismantling the 16th ranked Illini 93-71 in St. Louis - leading @ one point by 35 points. W/ 11 new players in the fold in Columbia (albeit including 2 familiar faces from Cleveland State). |
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Post by prhoya on Dec 22, 2022 23:26:56 GMT -5
While I do agree Pitino is by far the best coach on the table for a turnaround ( especially with Gates gone which was really disappointing) Gates and Missouri now 11-1 (the lone loss a beatdown by Kansas), dismantling the 16th ranked Illini 93-71 in St. Louis - leading @ one point by 35 points. W/ 11 new players in the fold in Columbia (albeit including 2 familiar faces from Cleveland State). Our turnaround can be that quick. It’s time. |
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Post by cas92 on Dec 23, 2022 7:37:41 GMT -5
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 23, 2022 9:21:57 GMT -5
Gates was the total package and matched perfectly for Georgetown at the right time. If only we had someone in the building with ties to Cleveland State..
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Post by Elvado on Dec 23, 2022 9:42:16 GMT -5
Gates was the total package and matched perfectly for Georgetown at the right time. If only we had someone in the building with ties to Cleveland State.. If only we had someone in Healy Building with ties to Cleveland State…. |
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Post by hoyajmw on Dec 23, 2022 9:49:48 GMT -5
Gates was the total package and matched perfectly for Georgetown at the right time. If only we had someone in the building with ties to Cleveland State.. If only we had someone in Healy Building with ties to Cleveland State…. I see what you did there…And right you are all around (except I think his office is in McDonough) |
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Post by Elvado on Dec 23, 2022 10:01:46 GMT -5
If only we had someone in Healy Building with ties to Cleveland State…. I see what you did there…And right you are all around (except I think his office is in McDonough) Not the guy who really needs to go… 44 years is long enough. |
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