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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 12:55:58 GMT -5
Im as anti-Ronny as anyone - but the pre-occupation with him has reached ridiculous proportions. If anyone thinks that if someone like Cooley is hired and would allow someone else to run the machinations of the program - then they arent being realistic. No established coach is giving Ronny any tasks beyond purely administrative. I believe Ronny will move on, but if he doesnt, and we hire a Pitino or Cooley or another long established HC - then worrying about Ronny's role at that point is on the same level as worrying a boogeyman is under your bed. Where will Ronny "move on" to? He's in his mid-50s and hasn't done anything of professional consequence in his life. He's unemployable now that his dad is dead. He will do anything he can to retain a position at Georgetown, because that's the only place that will employ him. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 12:58:59 GMT -5
Take away two bad years at Louisville and I am not certain why Chris Mack is not getting more mention for the Hoya job. His record certainly compares favorably to Cooley. No, it really doesn't. Mack took over a 27-8 team at Xavier. Mack took over a 22-14 team at Louisville. Cooley took over a 9-19 team at Fairfield. Cooley took over a 15-17 team at Providence. We have 2 wins in the Big East the last two years. This is a rebuilding job - Mack's never done that. Pitino and Cooley both have. Also, no one is real partial to Mack given how he used us as a contract negotiating ploy in our last search. I'd take Mack 100 times out of 100 over Cooley. You're penalizing Mack because good programs wanted him, unlike Cooley - how does that make sense? |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 7, 2023 13:05:20 GMT -5
Im as anti-Ronny as anyone - but the pre-occupation with him has reached ridiculous proportions. If anyone thinks that if someone like Cooley is hired and would allow someone else to run the machinations of the program - then they arent being realistic. No established coach is giving Ronny any tasks beyond purely administrative. I believe Ronny will move on, but if he doesnt, and we hire a Pitino or Cooley or another long established HC - then worrying about Ronny's role at that point is on the same level as worrying a boogeyman is under your bed. Where will Ronny "move on" to? He's in his mid-50s and hasn't done anything of professional consequence in his life. He's unemployable now that his dad is dead. He will do anything he can to retain a position at Georgetown, because that's the only place that will employ him. If I’m the new coach and the old staff somehow is still around, I would install cameras all over the TAC so that no notes can be slipped under any doors without being caught on camera… |
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Post by thedragon on Mar 7, 2023 13:05:24 GMT -5
Im as anti-Ronny as anyone - but the pre-occupation with him has reached ridiculous proportions. If anyone thinks that if someone like Cooley is hired and would allow someone else to run the machinations of the program - then they arent being realistic. No established coach is giving Ronny any tasks beyond purely administrative. I believe Ronny will move on, but if he doesnt, and we hire a Pitino or Cooley or another long established HC - then worrying about Ronny's role at that point is on the same level as worrying a boogeyman is under your bed. Where will Ronny "move on" to? He's in his mid-50s and hasn't done anything of professional consequence in his life. He's unemployable now that his dad is dead. He will do anything he can to retain a position at Georgetown, because that's the only place that will employ him. We literally had fans b*tching earlier this season for Ronny calling college games on TV. So clearly he is employable. |
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Post by TC on Mar 7, 2023 13:08:41 GMT -5
I'd take Mack 100 times out of 100 over Cooley. You're penalizing Mack because good programs wanted him, unlike Cooley - how does that make sense? It makes sense because our program is at rock bottom and Chris Mack has never dealt with a program that is in that condition - he's only been gifted solid teams. Good programs want Cooley NOW, not Mack. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 13:09:41 GMT -5
I'd take Mack 100 times out of 100 over Cooley. You're penalizing Mack because good programs wanted him, unlike Cooley - how does that make sense? It makes sense because our program is at rock bottom and Chris Mack has never dealt with a program that is in that condition - he's only been gifted solid teams. Good programs want Cooley NOW, not Mack. What good programs "want Cooley NOW"? |
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Post by nbhoya on Mar 7, 2023 13:21:46 GMT -5
Cooley is fine if you just want to make the tournament every year and maybe the occasional sweet 16. Pitino could win you a championship.
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Post by TC on Mar 7, 2023 13:26:38 GMT -5
It makes sense because our program is at rock bottom and Chris Mack has never dealt with a program that is in that condition - he's only been gifted solid teams. Good programs want Cooley NOW, not Mack. What good programs "want Cooley NOW"? We're talking about Chris Mack, not Pitino. No one compares to Pitino, if we can get Pitino, we should absolutely do it. I'd be ecstatic with either Pitino or Cooley though. Chris Mack is 11-9 in the NCAA tournament, one major conference title, and his program fell apart because he was blackmailed by an assistant. You want to put him into a situation with Ronny? |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 13:30:54 GMT -5
What good programs "want Cooley NOW"? We're talking about Chris Mack, not Pitino. No one compares to Pitino, if we can get Pitino, we should absolutely do it. Chris Mack is 11-9 in the NCAA tournament, one major conference title, and his program fell apart because he was blackmailed by an assistant. You want to put him into a situation with Ronny? Didn't answer my question - what good programs "want Cooley NOW" to use your terms? |
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Post by thedragon on Mar 7, 2023 13:35:52 GMT -5
Michigan offered him the job before Juwan Howard....this is not a great argument for you. Hes a hot commodity and will continue to be.
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Post by TC on Mar 7, 2023 13:36:53 GMT -5
Didn't answer my question - what good programs "want Cooley NOW" to use your terms? |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 13:39:16 GMT -5
Michigan offered him the job before Juwan Howard....this is not a great argument for you. Hes a hot commodity and will continue to be. Cooley met with Michigan, but is there evidence he was "offered" the position? Admittedly I did not spend much time looking. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 13:39:53 GMT -5
Didn't answer my question - what good programs "want Cooley NOW" to use your terms? So Goodman's your source, the same guy that said Georgetown offered Chris Mack a position 6 years ago - do you believe that was accurate? |
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Post by thedragon on Mar 7, 2023 13:44:25 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 13:44:33 GMT -5
Chris Mack at Xavier (2009-2018): 215-97 (.689)
Chris Mack at Louisville (2018-2022): 63-36 (.636)
Mack won 3 conference regular season championships and had 8 NCAA Tournament appearances in 9 seasons at Xavier.
Ed Cooley at Providence (2011-2023): 242-151 (.616)
Cooley has won 1 conference regular season championship and made 6 NCAA Tournament appearances in 12 seasons at Providence.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 13:46:45 GMT -5
Not sure it's clear from that article that the job was offered to him - looks more like Cooley met with the AD, considered his options, and decided to stay put. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 7, 2023 13:47:50 GMT -5
It is not clear to me why Mack isn't getting more discussion, unless he really has no interest. I really think many times when names are floated like Brey, Pitino, etc. it is in large part because they or their people put the rumors out there to gauge interest. Maybe Mack isn't interested?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 7, 2023 13:58:54 GMT -5
I'd rather have Pitino than Cooley or Mack. I'd rather have Cooley than Mack, because as noted above, we have evidence that he has successfully handled rebuilds. I'd wouldn't be up in arms if we ended up with Mack, unless there's evidence that we could have have one of the other two guys and didn't go for it. Chances are that such evidence would be circumstantial at best, but if Pitino ends up a decidedly inferior job, that would probably tell us something about GU's efforts.
We all know hoyaboya is a Cooley hater, so of course he's not going to be satisfied with evidence that other major programs want or wanted him. But I don't know what other "evidence" could really be out there, given that he hasn't left PC. It's not like these offers are made out in the open.
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Post by TC on Mar 7, 2023 14:02:35 GMT -5
So Goodman's your source, the same guy that said Georgetown offered Chris Mack a position 6 years ago - do you believe that was accurate? You should check out the video, Dauster is the one who answers Cooley. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 14:10:19 GMT -5
KenPom Mack vs. Cooley in full seasons since 2011-2012 (Cooley's 1st Year at Providence)
2012: Xavier (53), Providence (126)
2013: Xavier (78), Providence (69)
2014: Xavier (52), Providence (48)
2015: Xavier (21), Providence (27)
2016: Xavier (14), Providence (44)
2017: Xavier (31), Providence (60)
2018: Xavier (15), Providence (63)
2019: Louisville (23), Providence (79)
2020: Louisville (9), Providence (40)
2021: Louisville (53), Providence (80)
2022: Providence (32)
Mack Average KenPom: 34.9
Cooley Average KenPom: 60.7
Cooley's 2023 Providence team is sitting on the bubble at KenPom 44. I get that people around here like him for a variety of reasons, including because his daughter goes to Georgetown, he's said nice things about our program, and he's a Big East guy, but to pay a buyout and big salary for Cooley compared to no buyout and probably less salary for Pitino or Mack makes no sense.
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