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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 6, 2023 22:46:39 GMT -5
Good boy Leroy
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Post by prhoya on Mar 7, 2023 0:42:20 GMT -5
Would Cooley retain Ronny?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 7, 2023 0:42:50 GMT -5
Would Cooley retain Ronny? Any coach who comes and retains any of our current staff will not succeed, including Cooley. You don’t keep anything from 0-20 & 2-18. If you do, you’re not our guy.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 7, 2023 2:05:36 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 7, 2023 2:10:33 GMT -5
Would Cooley retain Ronny? That’s my biggest concern. Cooley clearly has a lot of respect for John Thompson, and as a result I’m concerned he’d keep Ronny around, which would be a disaster. Pitino is still my number one, but Cooley would be a very good choice too but only if Ronny isn’t part of the picture. With Pitino, there’s no question Ronny would be gone.
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Post by TC on Mar 7, 2023 7:19:51 GMT -5
There's no Charlie from Always Sunny strings on a bulletin board that connect Ronny and Ed Cooley. His agent, Dennis Coleman is not David Falk ( www.ropesgray.com/en/biographies/c/dennis-m-coleman ). He did not grow up in Northern Virginia in the 1980's. He didn't coach at Arkansas. He didn't coach in the Atlantic 10 during the period that Ronny was there. He's never coached at Georgetown or gone to Georgetown. There's going to be the fear with any Coach that Ronny stays and that Jack can't do the job and give the next coach a fresh slate. Ronny's a major contributor to the results we have now, there's no reason for him to stay. Ed Cooley is a big enough name that they are going to have to bend over backwards and make concessions to him that I don't think we should be particularly worried.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 7, 2023 7:55:14 GMT -5
There's no Charlie from Always Sunny strings on a bulletin board that connect Ronny and Ed Cooley. His agent, Dennis Coleman is not David Falk ( www.ropesgray.com/en/biographies/c/dennis-m-coleman ). He did not grow up in Northern Virginia in the 1980's. He didn't coach at Arkansas. He didn't coach in the Atlantic 10 during the period that Ronny was there. He's never coached at Georgetown or gone to Georgetown. There's going to be the fear with any Coach that Ronny stays and that Jack can't do the job and give the next coach a fresh slate. Ronny's a major contributor to the results we have now, there's no reason for him to stay. Ed Cooley is a big enough name that they are going to have to bend over backwards and make concessions to him that I don't think we should be particularly worried. Who cares about Ronny - he's a Hoya - just win baby!
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Post by bluechi on Mar 7, 2023 7:59:02 GMT -5
Would Cooley retain Ronny? Any coach who comes and retains any of our current staff will not succeed, including Cooley. You don’t keep anything from 0-20 & 2-18. If you do, you’re not our guy. Is Ronny really a part of the coaching staff? What does he do? Is his role "honorary" on some level? Was Ronny retained by Pat or hired by higher ups? Ronny's a good guy standalone but it is something suspect about what's been going on at the Hilltop.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 7, 2023 7:59:47 GMT -5
Pretty much everybody cares about Ronny. And every single one wants him gone.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 7, 2023 8:05:46 GMT -5
Why on earth would you lock in Cooley when Pitino is who everyone wants and supposedly wants to come here.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 8:35:01 GMT -5
"We're a week into March and there are 15 coaching job openings in men's college basketball. Of those 15, three — Texas, Notre Dame and Mississippi — are high-major gigs. In the next week, at least a few more power-conference schools are expected to have turnover. With the carousel already humming, it's worth noting two of the bigger names being bandied about: Rick Pitino and Mike Brey. I sat down with Pitino recently and he opened up about his future. The most important takeaway: he's determined to coach for at least five more years. Will he stay at Iona? He vacillated between loyalty to the Gaels versus the reasons and circumstances that would prompt him to chase one more opportunity at a power-conference job. (Check the story for the full picture.) If he leaves — if — my read on Pitino: Georgetown feels like the most desirable spot for him. The Hoyas (7-24) have not yet split with Patrick Ewing, but that is the overwhelming expectation at this point." www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-coaching-changes-2023-tracker-texas-notre-dame-biggest-openings-in-early-march/
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 7, 2023 8:51:29 GMT -5
Why on earth would you lock in Cooley when Pitino is who everyone wants and supposedly wants to come here. As I stated before, Cooley has three things going for him that Pitino doesn’t in JD’s mind: 1.) He’s a minority hire 2.) He’s younger 3.) He has no baggage If I had to bet my life on the Hoyas making the tournament next year or a Final 4 in the next couple, Pitino is the choice every day of the week. But you can’t dismiss the other 3 factors are important to JD.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2023 9:24:14 GMT -5
Would Cooley retain Ronny? That’s my biggest concern. Cooley clearly has a lot of respect for John Thompson, and as a result I’m concerned he’d keep Ronny around, which would be a disaster. Pitino is still my number one, but Cooley would be a very good choice too but only if Ronny isn’t part of the picture. With Pitino, there’s no question Ronny would be gone.
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 7, 2023 9:24:45 GMT -5
Please someone with knowledge of these things answer me this ( I have brought this up before-apologies )- Cooley was extended in 2022 by Providence for a purported 10 year 30-40 million contract. Is GU going to buy that out?
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Post by prhoya on Mar 7, 2023 9:25:15 GMT -5
That’s my biggest concern. Cooley clearly has a lot of respect for John Thompson, and as a result I’m concerned he’d keep Ronny around, which would be a disaster. Pitino is still my number one, but Cooley would be a very good choice too but only if Ronny isn’t part of the picture. With Pitino, there’s no question Ronny would be gone. We’re on the same page. 😉
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 7, 2023 9:28:54 GMT -5
We’re on the same page. 😉 I would hope/think that if Cooley did decide to take this job that he would demand he pick his entire new staff and fill it with his own people. If the school/board want to keep Ronny around they can find some other position in the school to put him in and continue to pay him and keep that Thompson family tradition alive in the school, without dragging down the basketball program.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 7, 2023 9:33:39 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Mar 7, 2023 9:38:22 GMT -5
Please someone with knowledge of these things answer me this ( I have brought this up before-apologies )- Cooley was extended in 2022 by Providence for a purported 10 year 30-40 million contract. Is GU going to buy that out? It’s impossible to say without reading his contract. But, if you’re interested, check the link I posted yesterday re: PDF copy of 149 contracts. There are plenty of clauses that would have helped in our current situation without shelling out $12M. In sum, the trend is to include buy-outs for both sides, termination clauses for both sides, etc… Since we’re not going to have actual GU basketball games to “talk” about for the next month, maybe we should start another thread on what GU’s next contract should have and not have. That way, DeGioia will not have to do the research and will not get Falked again.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 7, 2023 9:38:47 GMT -5
I'm still skeptical about Cooley, but if he did come I'm not too worried about Ronny staying.
It's totally possible to have the utmost respect for John Thompson and everything he accomplished and stood for, and also recognize that Ronny Thompson is not qualified to be in any position of power in a high major athletics department and his contributions these last several years have helped to bring us to the worst period in the modern history of the program. I suspect most of us hold both of those feelings simultaneously, and I think Ed Cooley would too.
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Post by oldhoyafan3 on Mar 7, 2023 9:49:25 GMT -5
Pitino > Cooley > Anyone else > Ewing... I don't understand the Cooley love as he's not winning titles every year but an upgrade.
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