daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 5, 2023 14:46:02 GMT -5
Whether or not he’d take it or is an option, Cooley is the candidate that JD and the admin would prefer.
Not debating his coaching resume vs Pitino, but the following make him the more “attractive” candidate from the school’s mind:
1.) Minority hire 2.) Younger 3.) No scandals or baggage
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Post by thedragon on Mar 5, 2023 15:07:58 GMT -5
I tend to agree that Cooley wouldn't leave for a school in the same conference as Providence. But there has been not so quiet rumblings from as far back as pre Ewing that Georgetown was his dream school. That was before his daughter then matriculated (I believe she's a senior tho). Certainly from a coaches perspective - one would think that the facilities, brand and recruiting base would make his ceiling much higher at Georgetown. But to your original point - he just doesn't seem like a guy that would be comfortable with having his former school see him as hero turned villain. I guess you could say he doesn't have that Pitino in him 🤣 So Gtown was his dream school prior to PE but Gtown couldn’t get him hired? Why not? The Pitino comparison isn’t a good one because UK & L’ville are in different conferences plus Pitino didn’t have to coach UK one year and the L’ville the next year. No idea. I'm assuming the interest wasn't reciprocated. I don't think I'm sharing some breaking news. It was rumored for a while that he was highly interested in the Gtown job. Good read on his relationship with JT. news.providence.edu/coach-ed-cooley-recalls-special-bond-with-john-thompson-64/
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 5, 2023 15:27:53 GMT -5
For those who have given a passing thought to Micah Shrewsbury as a candidate for HC, Penn State came back from 16 down in the second half to beat the Terps at the buzzer, 65-64.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 5, 2023 15:46:42 GMT -5
TTU setting it up to avoid a buyout, he’s gone soon..
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Post by bluechi on Mar 5, 2023 18:28:09 GMT -5
Whether or not he’d take it or is an option, Cooley is the candidate that JD and the admin would prefer. Not debating his coaching resume vs Pitino, but the following make him the more “attractive” candidate from the school’s mind: 1.) Minority hire 2.) Younger 3.) No scandals or baggage 'minority hire' HOGWASH
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 5, 2023 18:38:03 GMT -5
Whether or not he’d take it or is an option, Cooley is the candidate that JD and the admin would prefer. Not debating his coaching resume vs Pitino, but the following make him the more “attractive” candidate from the school’s mind: 1.) Minority hire 2.) Younger 3.) No scandals or baggage 'minority hire' HOGWASH Call it what you want, but let’s not pretend it’s not at least a factor here.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 5, 2023 18:39:11 GMT -5
Call it what you want, but let’s not pretend it’s not at least a factor here. Call it what you want.
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Post by 1427hoya on Mar 5, 2023 18:45:14 GMT -5
Whether or not he’d take it or is an option, Cooley is the candidate that JD and the admin would prefer. Not debating his coaching resume vs Pitino, but the following make him the more “attractive” candidate from the school’s mind: 1.) Minority hire 2.) Younger 3.) No scandals or baggage 'minority hire' HOGWASH Well.. it would be a minority hire
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 5, 2023 19:12:17 GMT -5
Watched Houston-Memphis and Michigan-Indiana today and realized 3 of the 4 teams are coached by former NBA players who are coaching their alma maters. Howard and Hardaway have much better records than Ewing. The jury is still out on Woodson. IIRC, Phil Martelli was an assistant to Howard when he first started at Michigan. Hardaway had AAU connections and recruited very well. Both games were highly competitive and well-played.
I wish that the Hoyas could return to that level of play I saw today with a new coach.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2023 19:17:50 GMT -5
Cooleys overall and post season records are kinda meh unless you are grading on the curve that Providence is a place where you can't win. He gets credit for doing things that 10 years ago would have been considered underwhelming seasons at Georgetown. Still, obviously a massive upgrade over Ewing. Cooley what one sweet sixteen in 17 years and that came in year 16. III had sweet sixteen and an final four in year 6 & 7 Shaheen Holloway Elite 8 year 4. Don’t see much upside with Cooley.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 5, 2023 19:28:32 GMT -5
Cooleys overall and post season records are kinda meh unless you are grading on the curve that Providence is a place where you can't win. He gets credit for doing things that 10 years ago would have been considered underwhelming seasons at Georgetown. Still, obviously a massive upgrade over Ewing. Cooley what one sweet sixteen in 17 years and that came in year 16. III had sweet sixteen and an final four in year 6 & 7 Shaheen Holloway Elite 8 year 4. Don’t see much upside with Cooley. I’d rather have Pitino than Cooley but Cooley made Providence competitive for the first time in decades. He’s a very good coach, but thus far, his ceiling has been lower than Pitino’s obviously. Arguably, Cooley might be able to do more with Georgetown he could at Providence too. I’d still take Cooley over basically anybody else mentioned other than Pitino. DeGioia would surely love him over Pitino too. I just don’t think he’s making the move. I also think people are putting way too much emphasis on a few bad Providence games - I am not saying there’s nothing there but it’s easy to overestimate a few bad games and make false extrapolations from a small sample size.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2023 19:31:09 GMT -5
Watched Houston-Memphis and Michigan-Indiana today and realized 3 of the 4 teams are coached by former NBA players who are coaching their alma maters. Howard and Hardaway have much better records than Ewing. The jury is still out on Woodson. IIRC, Phil Martelli was an assistant to Howard when he first started at Michigan. Hardaway had AAU connections and recruited very well. Both games were highly competitive and well-played. I wish that the Hoyas could return to that level of play I saw today with a new coach. Anfernee was embroiled in the cheating scandal and eomani bates etc leaving. They seem on a downward trajectory. Howard even with all that 5 star talent has been disappointing for their fans. IU Fans seem very happy that Woodson is finally bringing IU back in the Knight family and winning again. And he’s been doing it with ok but not great talent.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 5, 2023 19:33:29 GMT -5
Not that i'm advocating for him at GU (Pitino would be nearly instant success), but James Jones will make a program pretty happy if he moves to a more prominent conference.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2023 19:41:39 GMT -5
Wouldn’t want someone who has given up on his team because he’s already going to another team a la Bill Freider. Pitino would not do that. So my other alma mater is Fairfield where Cooley originally came from... In his final year, Fairfield was the #1 seed in the MAAC tournament with the tournament hosted at their arena. The rumor was the team found out he was taking the PC job that day, and they came out during the first half of the semi-finals they were heavily favored in against St. Peter's, and proceeded to go down by 20 and wound up losing a game they had no business losing. There's an eerily similar feeling going on here. It could all be coincidental, but PC has looked like they've seen a ghost these last two home games. Good observation. However as Hoyaboya likes to say, Cooley has a team of mercenaries so I don’t think they would be as concerned if he’s leaving. I could see the powers that be and Frodo see Cooley as a good compromise for the next coach as the Ewing/Thompson haters seem to see Cooley as an acceptable hire. But I would rather have Pitino or equivalent and if Cooley is already coming to Georgetown then that means they didn’t seriously look at Pitino or anyone else.
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Post by kghoya on Mar 5, 2023 19:43:31 GMT -5
Cooley would be a massive upgrade for today's Georgetown. My point was that I don't see him anywhere all that close to the level of Pitino.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 5, 2023 20:07:52 GMT -5
Pitino may be the best pure coach of the college game of his generation. Others might have recruited better, and run their programs better. Plus his age is certainly a potential issue in terms of his candidacy for our job. But in terms of X/O strategy and teaching the game to/developing his players - I don't think anyone has been better than Pitino over the past 35 years or so. When you include recruiting,NCAAA compliance, and other factors - guys like Coach K, Wright, Self, Roy Williams have probably had more success than Pitino. But I'll still take Pitino on the pure strategy/teaching element of the game.
Does that mean he is the best choice for the Hoyas right now? Most of us certainly think so. This doesn't mean that there could not be other strong candidates, like Cooley. But even a good coach like Cooley is not in Pitino's class as a pure X&O/teaching coach. I don't think any other potential Hoya coach comes anywhere close to Pitino on this stuff.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 5, 2023 20:27:22 GMT -5
Watched Houston-Memphis and Michigan-Indiana today and realized 3 of the 4 teams are coached by former NBA players who are coaching their alma maters. Howard and Hardaway have much better records than Ewing. The jury is still out on Woodson. IIRC, Phil Martelli was an assistant to Howard when he first started at Michigan. Hardaway had AAU connections and recruited very well. Both games were highly competitive and well-played. I wish that the Hoyas could return to that level of play I saw today with a new coach. Anfernee was embroiled in the cheating scandal and eomani bates etc leaving. They seem on a downward trajectory.Howard even with all that 5 star talent has been disappointing for their fans. IU Fans seem very happy that Woodson is finally bringing IU back in the Knight family and winning again. And he’s been doing it with ok but not great talent. Memphis made the tourney last year and looks very solid to make it again this year, that shouldn't be described as a "downward trajectory" Also, IU has 4 kids on the roster that are RSCI top 27 or better in their respective classes, plus 3 other top 100 players. That shouldn't be described as "ok but not great talent"
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 5, 2023 20:33:04 GMT -5
Pitino may be the best pure coach of the college game of his generation. Others might have recruited better, and run their programs better. Plus his age is certainly a potential issue in terms of his candidacy for our job. But in terms of X/O strategy and teaching the game to/developing his players - I don't think anyone has been better than Pitino over the past 35 years or so. When you include recruiting,NCAAA compliance, and other factors - guys like Coach K, Wright, Self, Roy Williams have probably had more success than Pitino. But I'll still take Pitino on the pure strategy/teaching element of the game. Does that mean he is the best choice for the Hoyas right now? Most of us certainly think so. This doesn't mean that there could not be other strong candidates, like Cooley. But even a good coach like Cooley is not in Pitino's class as a pure X&O/teaching coach. I don't think any other potential Hoya coach comes anywhere close to Pitino on this stuff. I don't think Pitino is great X&0's wise, to be honest, especially offensively but he is a great teacher of skills & how he wants players to play within his system...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 5, 2023 21:29:11 GMT -5
Pinto could eventually get you to an Elite Eight. Upside with Cooley is first weekend of NCAAs. Both better than where we are today. Higher ceiling with Pitino.
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Post by jackofjoy on Mar 5, 2023 21:30:35 GMT -5
Cooley what one sweet sixteen in 17 years and that came in year 16. III had sweet sixteen and an final four in year 6 & 7 Shaheen Holloway Elite 8 year 4. Don’t see much upside with Cooley. I’d rather have Pitino than Cooley but Cooley made Providence competitive for the first time in decades. He’s a very good coach, but thus far, his ceiling has been lower than Pitino’s obviously. Arguably, Cooley might be able to do more with Georgetown he could at Providence too. I’d still take Cooley over basically anybody else mentioned other than Pitino. DeGioia would surely love him over Pitino too. I just don’t think he’s making the move. I also think people are putting way too much emphasis on a few bad Providence games - I am not saying there’s nothing there but it’s easy to overestimate a few bad games and make false extrapolations from a small sample size. I see Cooley as a guy to get you into the NCAAs like 4 out of every 6-7 years where you’ll be anywhere between a 6 and 9 seed. 90% of the time you won’t make it out of the first weekend. 10% of the time you’ll catch lightning in a bottle and hit a Sweet 16/Elite 8. If that’s the ceiling, I’m down. on edit: Bigs beat me to it by a minute and put it much more succinctly…
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