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Post by daveg023 on Mar 5, 2023 7:35:57 GMT -5
Cooleys overall and post season records are kinda meh unless you are grading on the curve that Providence is a place where you can't win. He gets credit for doing things that 10 years ago would have been considered underwhelming seasons at Georgetown. Still, obviously a massive upgrade over Ewing. I mean prior to Cooley they had a handful of good years since Pitino’s brief stint, and prior to that it was the early 70s. He has won more at PC than pretty much anyone else has since the BE was formed.
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Post by TC on Mar 5, 2023 7:50:41 GMT -5
Cooleys overall and post season records are kinda meh unless you are grading on the curve that Providence is a place where you can't win. He gets credit for doing things that 10 years ago would have been considered underwhelming seasons at Georgetown. Amazing to me after no at-large bids since 2015 and Patrick Ewing fielding teams so bad that you have to rethink whether we're in the right conference that people still want to pull out the John Thompson 1980's measuring sticks. Those days are gone forever you should let them go. That was a once in a lifetime thing. Ed Cooley can get us to a point where we consistently win 20 games and make the tournament. More would be nice, but does anyone want to go through another 6 years of this and be DePaul for another decade? A candidate's floor matters.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 5, 2023 8:44:27 GMT -5
Cooleys overall and post season records are kinda meh unless you are grading on the curve that Providence is a place where you can't win. He gets credit for doing things that 10 years ago would have been considered underwhelming seasons at Georgetown. Amazing to me after no at-large bids since 2015 and Patrick Ewing fielding teams so bad that you have to rethink whether we're in the right conference that people still want to pull out the John Thompson 1980's measuring sticks. Those days are gone forever you should let them go. That was a once in a lifetime thing. Ed Cooley can get us to a point where we consistently win 20 games and make the tournament. More would be nice, but does anyone want to go through another 6 years of this and be DePaul for another decade? A candidate's floor matters. I agree with this. The floor right now matters in some ways more than the ceiling. I want a coach with a high ceiling, but we badly need a candidate with a high floor. We have been at the very bottom of the league — Ewing hasn’t had sustained success against any member of the conference. Getting out of that and moving upward will take a lot of work. So many folks are throwing around high-risk candidates. I think the opposite. We need an established candidate with limited risk. The University doesn’t need to think outside the box. It needs to think inside it — pick an established head coach with a record of success, a prior rebuild being a strong plus, and someone who would be on the list for some other job in a major conference. This really isn’t that hard in my view.
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 5, 2023 8:54:51 GMT -5
I am not the biggest Ed Cooley fan when it comes to an ultimate ceiling, but poking holes in his track record really seems silly to me at this point. I would worry about postseason success if we're lucky enough to get back there at this point. Since year one, the guy has had only two losing BE season in 11 tries. It's not really a question that he would recruit to a higher level here than PC.
And yes, something smells right now in Providence. It could be coincidental or something else altogether but their efforts against UConn, Xavier and Seton Hall are very very alarming. They quit yesterday.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2023 9:17:36 GMT -5
I am not the biggest Ed Cooley fan when it comes to an ultimate ceiling, but poking holes in his track record really seems silly to me at this point. I would worry about postseason success if we're lucky enough to get back there at this point. Since year one, the guy has had only two losing BE season in 11 tries. It's not really a question that he would recruit to a higher level here than PC. And yes, something smells right now in Providence. It could be coincidental or something else altogether but their efforts against UConn, Xavier and Seton Hall are very very alarming. They quit yesterday. What are the Providence fans saying? What’s their HoyaTalk?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 5, 2023 9:29:36 GMT -5
I am not the biggest Ed Cooley fan when it comes to an ultimate ceiling, but poking holes in his track record really seems silly to me at this point. I would worry about postseason success if we're lucky enough to get back there at this point. Since year one, the guy has had only two losing BE season in 11 tries. It's not really a question that he would recruit to a higher level here than PC. And yes, something smells right now in Providence. It could be coincidental or something else altogether but their efforts against UConn, Xavier and Seton Hall are very very alarming. They quit yesterday. Seton Hall's Dre Davis, who was 1 for 3 versus Georgetown, went 9 for 10 from the field with four threes. That can be deflating. PC shooting 4 for 23 from three didn't help, either.
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Post by caip on Mar 5, 2023 11:04:44 GMT -5
NIL is a bag of money over the table instead of under the table. No sponsorship. They all are getting something. Bad ROI. NIL is not that. And no, not everyone is getting something. NIL is the ability for a student-athlete to be compensated for brand marketing. Most schools have NIL programs, incl. Georgetown. Most students never see NIL money and those that do, comparatively little. INFLCR, the company that manages Georgetown's NIL and many others, produced these stats from last year to measure NIL impacts: Average value of all NIL transactions: $1,815 Median value of all NIL transactions: $53 Average value of Power 5 NIL deals: $2,144 per person Average value of Non-Power 5 NIL deals: $558 per person In addition, owing to F-1 student visas prohibiting off-campus work, most international students cannot receive NIL money. A collective is a booster-led, usually non-profit foundation that provides benefits independent of a university. www.si.com/college/2022/08/10/nil-collectives-boosters-football-tennessee-daily-coverWrong. We are talking about Georgetown basketball. Every player on team last year received NIL money. Similar effort this year which raised more money. Not sure if everyone received something again or if it was not spread all the way down the roster. Since there are no economics involved in the name image or likeness for anyone on this team, it’s a bag of money.
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Post by caip on Mar 5, 2023 11:07:21 GMT -5
NIL is not that. And no, not everyone is getting something. NIL is the ability for a student-athlete to be compensated for brand marketing. Most schools have NIL programs, incl. Georgetown. Most students never see NIL money and those that do, comparatively little. INFLCR, the company that manages Georgetown's NIL and many others, produced these stats from last year to measure NIL impacts: Average value of all NIL transactions: $1,815 Median value of all NIL transactions: $53 Average value of Power 5 NIL deals: $2,144 per person Average value of Non-Power 5 NIL deals: $558 per person In addition, owing to F-1 student visas prohibiting off-campus work, most international students cannot receive NIL money. A collective is a booster-led, usually non-profit foundation that provides benefits independent of a university. www.si.com/college/2022/08/10/nil-collectives-boosters-football-tennessee-daily-coverWrong. We are talking about Georgetown basketball. Every player on team last year received NIL money. Similar effort this year which raised more money. Not sure if everyone received something again or if it was not spread all the way down the roster. Since there are no economics involved in the name image or likeness for anyone on this team, it’s a bag of money. Correct on international players. I should say everyone received NIL money last year except our best player.
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Post by TC on Mar 5, 2023 11:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 5, 2023 12:09:02 GMT -5
NIL is not that. And no, not everyone is getting something. NIL is the ability for a student-athlete to be compensated for brand marketing. Most schools have NIL programs, incl. Georgetown. Most students never see NIL money and those that do, comparatively little. INFLCR, the company that manages Georgetown's NIL and many others, produced these stats from last year to measure NIL impacts: Average value of all NIL transactions: $1,815 Median value of all NIL transactions: $53 Average value of Power 5 NIL deals: $2,144 per person Average value of Non-Power 5 NIL deals: $558 per person In addition, owing to F-1 student visas prohibiting off-campus work, most international students cannot receive NIL money. A collective is a booster-led, usually non-profit foundation that provides benefits independent of a university. www.si.com/college/2022/08/10/nil-collectives-boosters-football-tennessee-daily-coverWrong. We are talking about Georgetown basketball. Every player on team last year received NIL money. Similar effort this year which raised more money. Not sure if everyone received something again or if it was not spread all the way down the roster. Since there are no economics involved in the name image or likeness for anyone on this team, it’s a bag of money. What entity did the players receive the money from?
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Post by practice on Mar 5, 2023 12:14:09 GMT -5
As a Pitino or bust proponent, I had perhaps mistakenly assumed that Ed Cooley was off the market -- he's had success at Providence, he's from Providence, I think he's in the middle of a contract at Providence, and why would he want to try to fix Georgetown ... let me say unequivocally, while Pitino is still my #1 choice and I believe the fast chance to national prominence ... I'd be more than happy to get Ed Cooley and see what he can do ... with Cooley, should it be a good fit, it's more of a 10-15 year window ... (for the record, in five years I think a Pitino retirement would make the Georgetown job one of the top openings in the country and real names would be willing to jump into the mix for the opportunity.)
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Post by caip on Mar 5, 2023 12:21:46 GMT -5
Wrong. We are talking about Georgetown basketball. Every player on team last year received NIL money. Similar effort this year which raised more money. Not sure if everyone received something again or if it was not spread all the way down the roster. Since there are no economics involved in the name image or likeness for anyone on this team, it’s a bag of money. What entity did the players receive the money from? One of the NIL clearinghouses that takes a percentage off the top. It may well be the one DFW cites. I’d have to look back. I believe last year’s “event” for which they were all paid was a meet and greet bowling event.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 5, 2023 12:24:50 GMT -5
As a Pitino or bust proponent, I had perhaps mistakenly assumed that Ed Cooley was off the market -- he's had success at Providence, he's from Providence, I think he's in the middle of a contract at Providence, and why would he want to try to fix Georgetown ... let me say unequivocally, while Pitino is still my #1 choice and I believe the fast chance to national prominence ... I'd be more than happy to get Ed Cooley and see what he can do ... with Cooley, should it be a good fit, it's more of a 10-15 year window ... (for the record, in five years I think a Pitino retirement would make the Georgetown job one of the top openings in the country and real names would be willing to jump into the mix for the opportunity.) Cooley isn’t coming to Gtown, he’s not signing on at a school that has to play his former squad 2 or 3 times per year.. Could UK get some legs? Sure but I’d be surprised if he left to go there as well
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Post by bluechi on Mar 5, 2023 13:49:21 GMT -5
Something seems odd at Providence. I wonder if Cooley has actually been thinking of leaving. Still prefer Pitino, but gladly would take Cooley over any other option we’d have. Wouldn’t want someone who has given up on his team because he’s already going to another team a la Bill Freider. Pitino would not do that. c'mon man he has not given up. propaganda.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 5, 2023 13:51:48 GMT -5
Cooleys overall and post season records are kinda meh unless you are grading on the curve that Providence is a place where you can't win. He gets credit for doing things that 10 years ago would have been considered underwhelming seasons at Georgetown. Still, obviously a massive upgrade over Ewing. again, good luck trying to win big at providence which is why pitino is so special. and cooley for that matter.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 5, 2023 14:08:57 GMT -5
As a Pitino or bust proponent, I had perhaps mistakenly assumed that Ed Cooley was off the market -- he's had success at Providence, he's from Providence, I think he's in the middle of a contract at Providence, and why would he want to try to fix Georgetown ... let me say unequivocally, while Pitino is still my #1 choice and I believe the fast chance to national prominence ... I'd be more than happy to get Ed Cooley and see what he can do ... with Cooley, should it be a good fit, it's more of a 10-15 year window ... (for the record, in five years I think a Pitino retirement would make the Georgetown job one of the top openings in the country and real names would be willing to jump into the mix for the opportunity.) Cooley isn’t coming to Gtown, he’s not signing on at a school that has to play his former squad 2 or 3 times per year.. Could UK get some legs? Sure but I’d be surprised if he left to go there as well I tend to agree that Cooley wouldn't leave for a school in the same conference as Providence. But there has been not so quiet rumblings from as far back as pre Ewing that Georgetown was his dream school. That was before his daughter then matriculated (I believe she's a senior tho). Certainly from a coaches perspective - one would think that the facilities, brand and recruiting base would make his ceiling much higher at Georgetown. But to your original point - he just doesn't seem like a guy that would be comfortable with having his former school see him as hero turned villain. I guess you could say he doesn't have that Pitino in him 🤣
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 5, 2023 14:14:21 GMT -5
Something seems odd at Providence. I wonder if Cooley has actually been thinking of leaving. Still prefer Pitino, but gladly would take Cooley over any other option we’d have. Wouldn’t want someone who has given up on his team because he’s already going to another team a la Bill Freider. Pitino would not do that. One of the best stories ever. It’s 1989. Michigan, coached by Bill Frieder, is a 3 seed. Just before the tournament starts Frieder let’s it be known that he will be moving on to coach Arizona State next year. Not so fast, my friend (or maybe faster). Athletic Director and legendary football coach Bo Schembechler, evidently unconcerned about what it might mean for the Wolverines’ tournament prospects, cans Frieder on the spot saying something close to “Michigan’s not going to be coached by someone from Arizona St. A Michigan man will coach Michigan”. Assistant coach Steve Fisher is handed the reins and what happens? Michigan reels off 6 straight and wins the National Championship.
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Post by practice on Mar 5, 2023 14:15:47 GMT -5
Cooley isn’t coming to Gtown, he’s not signing on at a school that has to play his former squad 2 or 3 times per year.. Could UK get some legs? Sure but I’d be surprised if he left to go there as well I tend to agree that Cooley wouldn't leave for a school in the same conference as Providence. But there has been not so quiet rumblings from as far back as pre Ewing that Georgetown was his dream school. That was before his daughter then matriculated (I believe she's a senior tho). Certainly from a coaches perspective - one would think that the facilities, brand and recruiting base would make his ceiling much higher at Georgetown. But to your original point - he just doesn't seem like a guy that would be comfortable with having his former school see him as hero turned villain. I guess you could say he doesn't have that Pitino in him 🤣 I don't recall a HC w/in men's basketball in the BE going from one program to another, but this does happen. Probably happens more in college football than anywhere else, but if somehow Cooley wants out of Providence and a multiyear contract at Georgetown is on the table ... well, I wouldn't say there's zero chance. Money and job security speaks volumes ... it would be awkward, no doubt, but how about our current coach who continues to collect $4M a year and loses nearly every game? He seems to be ok collecting that paycheck. All this -- unlike Pitino who has definitely said he's looking -- is pure speculation about Cooley. But ... I'd be happy with HC Cooley.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 5, 2023 14:39:39 GMT -5
Cooley isn’t coming to Gtown, he’s not signing on at a school that has to play his former squad 2 or 3 times per year.. Could UK get some legs? Sure but I’d be surprised if he left to go there as well I tend to agree that Cooley wouldn't leave for a school in the same conference as Providence. But there has been not so quiet rumblings from as far back as pre Ewing that Georgetown was his dream school. That was before his daughter then matriculated (I believe she's a senior tho). Certainly from a coaches perspective - one would think that the facilities, brand and recruiting base would make his ceiling much higher at Georgetown. But to your original point - he just doesn't seem like a guy that would be comfortable with having his former school see him as hero turned villain. I guess you could say he doesn't have that Pitino in him 🤣 So Gtown was his dream school prior to PE but Gtown couldn’t get him hired? Why not? The Pitino comparison isn’t a good one because UK & L’ville are in different conferences plus Pitino didn’t have to coach UK one year and the L’ville the next year.
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