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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 4, 2023 13:29:01 GMT -5
The fact that no announcement has been made on Ewing even though it’s the right thing to do for multiple reasons at this point, makes me think they’re also botching they replacement process (if they’ve even started it). The best thing is to make Pat nominal assistant coach or like Lindsay Whelan special assistant to the AD or take the chief of staff position (not sure what the current guy actually does) and that will make it comfortable for Pitino to come here. Then we can use Pitinos mentor relationship and friendship with Pat as an advantage and maintain links to the past while saving some money. Nobody leads with their chin quite like you. |
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 4, 2023 13:30:54 GMT -5
Some patience is warranted. I’m not sure why people are expecting an announcement before the Nova BET game. It’s pretty clear Ewing refused to step down mid season and didn’t want a farewell tour—so until EVERY game is over, we really shouldn’t expect an announcement. And to the extent Pitino is the pick (fingers crossed), Iona is locked into a post season tournament—as regular season MAAC champs they are guaranteed an NIT invite. Even if the wheels are in motion, I doubt Pitino would want an announcement until after iona’s last game, and that could be later in March.
If things drag on much past these two dates, then there is cause for concern.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 4, 2023 13:32:40 GMT -5
Since I'm bored at an airport. And while we wait to see if Georgetown admin will reciprocate the Pitino interest. Would something like this be palatable to the masses (understanding that many say Pitino or bust) General Manager: Jon Wallace theathletic.com/4187319/2023/02/16/college-basketball-programs-nil/Head Coach: Mike Jones Associate Head Coach/Special Advisor: Mike Brey Assistant Coach: Nolan Smith Assistant Coach: Kevin Braswell DOBO: Austin Freeman If nothing else - the Jon Wallace as GM would be a slam dunk x1000. I doubt he'd leave his NBA front office job - but I'd make a full court press ask. Some would argue that the proposed structure is still tied to Thompson tree via Esherick (Braswell) and JT III (Wallace, Freeman). But could it do worse than the last two seasons? No, no, no. Mike Jones isn’t a good choice as he’s never coached before and Brey isn’t going to be an assistant to Jones and he’s not that great himself (though he’s a good offense coach) either. This absolutely wouldn’t be palatable to me. Even if Pitino doesn’t work out there are many many scenarios that are better than this one. And to SSHoya’s question, almost anybody would do better than the last two seasons. That is not an adequate question because 99% of candidates (including bad ones) would do better than Ewing has the last two years. It’s easy to do a lot better than Ewing and still be bad. I don’t know why we cannot just do things like normal programs and hire people with experience. |
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Post by TC on Mar 4, 2023 13:32:53 GMT -5
Since I'm bored at an airport. And while we wait to see if Georgetown admin will reciprocate the Pitino interest. Would something like this be palatable to the masses (understanding that many say Pitino or bust) General Manager: Jon Wallace theathletic.com/4187319/2023/02/16/college-basketball-programs-nil/Head Coach: Mike Jones Associate Head Coach/Special Advisor: Mike Brey Assistant Coach: Nolan Smith Assistant Coach: Kevin Braswell DOBO: Austin Freeman If nothing else - the Jon Wallace as GM would be a slam dunk x1000. I doubt he'd leave his NBA front office job - but I'd make a full court press ask. How hard is it to hire a coach with actual college experience, have them report to the AD, and give them the power to hire whoever they feel is best so we don't create dysfunctional power structures like we have now? Why Brey would agree to this? ? Why Wallace would want to do this? ? |
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Post by thedragon on Mar 4, 2023 13:34:30 GMT -5
Since I'm bored at an airport. And while we wait to see if Georgetown admin will reciprocate the Pitino interest. Would something like this be palatable to the masses (understanding that many say Pitino or bust) General Manager: Jon Wallace theathletic.com/4187319/2023/02/16/college-basketball-programs-nil/Head Coach: Mike Jones Associate Head Coach/Special Advisor: Mike Brey Assistant Coach: Nolan Smith Assistant Coach: Kevin Braswell DOBO: Austin Freeman If nothing else - the Jon Wallace as GM would be a slam dunk x1000. I doubt he'd leave his NBA front office job - but I'd make a full court press ask. How hard is it to hire a coach with actual college experience, have them report to the AD, and give them the power to hire whoever they feel is best so we don't create dysfunctional power structures like we have now? You must be a blast at parties  |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 4, 2023 13:41:44 GMT -5
The best thing is to make Pat nominal assistant coach or like Lindsay Whelan special assistant to the AD or take the chief of staff position (not sure what the current guy actually does) and that will make it comfortable for Pitino to come here. Then we can use Pitinos mentor relationship and friendship with Pat as an advantage and maintain links to the past while saving some money. No, the best thing is to rip this up root-and-branch and start from scratch. I know that you’re dead set on pushing this narrative that Rick Pitino needs Ewing’s blessing to take the job, which nobody else believes. But even if that’s true, you find a way to do it without giving Ewing a job, even a figurehead one. You don’t create a Ronny Thompson situation all over again. So you wouldn’t take Pitino if Ewing was attached in some nominal position? |
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 4, 2023 13:44:31 GMT -5
Since I'm bored at an airport. And while we wait to see if Georgetown admin will reciprocate the Pitino interest. Would something like this be palatable to the masses (understanding that many say Pitino or bust) General Manager: Jon Wallace theathletic.com/4187319/2023/02/16/college-basketball-programs-nil/Head Coach: Mike Jones Associate Head Coach/Special Advisor: Mike Brey Assistant Coach: Nolan Smith Assistant Coach: Kevin Braswell DOBO: Austin Freeman If nothing else - the Jon Wallace as GM would be a slam dunk x1000. I doubt he'd leave his NBA front office job - but I'd make a full court press ask. How hard is it to hire a coach with actual college experience, have them report to the AD, and give them the power to hire whoever they feel is best so we don't create dysfunctional power structures like we have now? Why Brey would agree to this? ? Why Wallace would want to do this? ? For Brey, easy $$ back in the DC area with zero pressure on him as he's not head coach. I can't see Wallace doing this at all. To be clear, I'm not advocating Brey in my previous response. I don't think it is a viable way forward. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 4, 2023 14:02:41 GMT -5
No, the best thing is to rip this up root-and-branch and start from scratch. I know that you’re dead set on pushing this narrative that Rick Pitino needs Ewing’s blessing to take the job, which nobody else believes. But even if that’s true, you find a way to do it without giving Ewing a job, even a figurehead one. You don’t create a Ronny Thompson situation all over again. So you wouldn’t take Pitino if Ewing was attached in some nominal position? If Pitino wants it, fine by me. But you keep presenting it as if it’s a precondition to getting Pitino, rather than a choice made by Pitino once he’s head coach. |
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Post by practice on Mar 4, 2023 14:05:32 GMT -5
How hard is it to hire a coach with actual college experience, have them report to the AD, and give them the power to hire whoever they feel is best so we don't create dysfunctional power structures like we have now? Why Brey would agree to this? ? Why Wallace would want to do this? ? For Brey, easy $$ back in the DC area with zero pressure on him as he's not head coach. I can't see Wallace doing this at all. To be clear, I'm not advocating Brey in my previous response. I don't think it is a viable way forward. First -- where do log a complaint that the Athletic is stealing my anonymously posted ideas about a GM + head coach in college basketball -- hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/1002215/thread?Second -- why would anyone on here advocate for some untried method to run a basketball team after the last nine years? It's not even funny. When Georgetown hires whoever for the next headcoach, that person is going to hire his assistant coaches. JT2 is gone -- by the way I encourage everyone to listen to the recent podcast with Kevin Broadus where he says that Ronny recruited him and JT2 interviewed and hired him to work for JT3! The next HC is going to call the shots or we can forget about Hoya basketball. Let someone else take three years to figure out if Mike Jones is a college HC. Let's go hire someone who is winning TODAY. |
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Post by astrohoya on Mar 4, 2023 14:08:42 GMT -5
Where is the evidence of this mentor relationship you talk about? I can find no evidence they are anything more than two people who worked together 35 years ago and have crossed paths some since….hardly unique. I googled “Pitino Ewing relationship” and only got one article from after 1989, which was this from 1999. nypost.com/1999/12/13/pitino-keeps-celts-clawin/On Ewing, Pitino was respectful but did not lavish heartfelt affection. “He has tremendous presence,” said the former two-year Knick coach. “He causes problems on the glass. I don’t see how anyone can say the Knicks aren’t better with him in there.” “I bet [Jeff] Van Gundy is very happy to have him back,” Pitino added. Of his own personal relationship with Ewing, Pitino said: “I loved coaching Patrick, but I loved that whole team [1987-1989]. He’s a gentleman, he worked hard and he was the consummate team player. That was 13 years ago, I’m sure he’s a lot wiser now.” ….. Hardly evidence of a close relationship that would preclude Pitino from succeeding Ewing. |
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Post by practice on Mar 4, 2023 14:18:29 GMT -5
Where is the evidence of this mentor relationship you talk about? I can find no evidence they are anything more than two people who worked together 35 years ago and have crossed paths some since….hardly unique. I googled “Pitino Ewing relationship” and only got one article from after 1989, which was this from 1999. nypost.com/1999/12/13/pitino-keeps-celts-clawin/On Ewing, Pitino was respectful but did not lavish heartfelt affection. “He has tremendous presence,” said the former two-year Knick coach. “He causes problems on the glass. I don’t see how anyone can say the Knicks aren’t better with him in there.” “I bet [Jeff] Van Gundy is very happy to have him back,” Pitino added. Of his own personal relationship with Ewing, Pitino said: “I loved coaching Patrick, but I loved that whole team [1987-1989]. He’s a gentleman, he worked hard and he was the consummate team player. That was 13 years ago, I’m sure he’s a lot wiser now.” ….. Hardly evidence of a close relationship that would preclude Pitino from succeeding Ewing. You must be new to the "professor's" lectures ... rarely rooted in fact or reality! |
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 4, 2023 14:18:56 GMT -5
Where is the evidence of this mentor relationship you talk about? I can find no evidence they are anything more than two people who worked together 35 years ago and have crossed paths some since….hardly unique. I googled “Pitino Ewing relationship” and only got one article from after 1989, which was this from 1999. nypost.com/1999/12/13/pitino-keeps-celts-clawin/On Ewing, Pitino was respectful but did not lavish heartfelt affection. “He has tremendous presence,” said the former two-year Knick coach. “He causes problems on the glass. I don’t see how anyone can say the Knicks aren’t better with him in there.” “I bet [Jeff] Van Gundy is very happy to have him back,” Pitino added. Of his own personal relationship with Ewing, Pitino said: “I loved coaching Patrick, but I loved that whole team [1987-1989]. He’s a gentleman, he worked hard and he was the consummate team player. That was 13 years ago, I’m sure he’s a lot wiser now.” ….. Hardly evidence of a close relationship that would preclude Pitino from succeeding Ewing. Don't know about a "close relationship" but Pitino has always been respectful and supportive in talking about Ewing - even when coaching Georgetown. Patrick Ewing has been serving as head coach of his alma mater, the Georgetown Hoyas, over the last three seasons. However, former NBA coach Rick Pitino thinks the New York Knicks legend should have been a head coach in the league by now. The 67-year old mentor admitted that he liked what he saw from the 11-time All-Star the season prior and that they always kept in touch with each other. clutchpoints.com/nba-news-patrick-ewing-stereotyped-in-coaching-gig-claims-rick-pitinothespun.com/more/top-stories/rick-pitino-patrick-ewing-ncaa-tournament |
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Post by jackofjoy on Mar 4, 2023 14:26:09 GMT -5
Since I'm bored at an airport. And while we wait to see if Georgetown admin will reciprocate the Pitino interest. Would something like this be palatable to the masses (understanding that many say Pitino or bust) General Manager: Jon Wallace theathletic.com/4187319/2023/02/16/college-basketball-programs-nil/Head Coach: Mike Jones Associate Head Coach/Special Advisor: Mike Brey Assistant Coach: Nolan Smith Assistant Coach: Kevin Braswell DOBO: Austin Freeman If nothing else - the Jon Wallace as GM would be a slam dunk x1000. I doubt he'd leave his NBA front office job - but I'd make a full court press ask. Appreciate some out of the box thinking (and yes, this group could have probably won 5 games in the BE this year) ... but 1) this is way too complex for JD/admin, and 2) if we don't or can't attract a name/proven coach, there are probably tens of mid-major HCs with good track records we could take a chance on for 1/4 of Ewing's salary and who at least have experience running a D1 program. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 4, 2023 15:11:00 GMT -5
Where is the evidence of this mentor relationship you talk about? I can find no evidence they are anything more than two people who worked together 35 years ago and have crossed paths some since….hardly unique. I googled “Pitino Ewing relationship” and only got one article from after 1989, which was this from 1999. nypost.com/1999/12/13/pitino-keeps-celts-clawin/On Ewing, Pitino was respectful but did not lavish heartfelt affection. “He has tremendous presence,” said the former two-year Knick coach. “He causes problems on the glass. I don’t see how anyone can say the Knicks aren’t better with him in there.” “I bet [Jeff] Van Gundy is very happy to have him back,” Pitino added. Of his own personal relationship with Ewing, Pitino said: “I loved coaching Patrick, but I loved that whole team [1987-1989]. He’s a gentleman, he worked hard and he was the consummate team player. That was 13 years ago, I’m sure he’s a lot wiser now.” ….. Hardly evidence of a close relationship that would preclude Pitino from succeeding Ewing. Don't know about a "close relationship" but Pitino has always been respectful and supportive in talking about Ewing - even when coaching Georgetown. Patrick Ewing has been serving as head coach of his alma mater, the Georgetown Hoyas, over the last three seasons. However, former NBA coach Rick Pitino thinks the New York Knicks legend should have been a head coach in the league by now. The 67-year old mentor admitted that he liked what he saw from the 11-time All-Star the season prior and that they always kept in touch with each other. clutchpoints.com/nba-news-patrick-ewing-stereotyped-in-coaching-gig-claims-rick-pitinothespun.com/more/top-stories/rick-pitino-patrick-ewing-ncaa-tournamentThese two articles are basically Pitino congratulating Ewing for making the BET (I’m sure countless of Ewing’s former coaches and teammates did the same) and Pitino and Ewing talking a few times in 2017 but not continuing it into 2018 when Pitino went to Greece. I realize the author uses the word “mentor” but that’s the author’s characterization and I see nothing indicating that’s really true. People don’t seem to understand that Pitino is the ultimate PR guy. He praises tons of people, is very positive, and is great at fostering relationships. So his comments on Ewing are consistent with his persona. They don’t indicate any sort of special relationship at all, or at least to the degree that professor keeps implying. My feeling is Ewing is way closer to Van Gundy than Pitino. And as I’ve said before, Ewing is the one who has been a huge failure and deserves zero deference from anybody in this situation. The idea that Pitino would give up a great opportunity to coach a high major team that he wants to coach at because Ewing has tender feelings is absurd. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 4, 2023 15:15:16 GMT -5
The Thompsons & Ewings need to step aside and let the program move forward. They are an impediment at this point
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 4, 2023 15:39:09 GMT -5
Where is the evidence of this mentor relationship you talk about? I can find no evidence they are anything more than two people who worked together 35 years ago and have crossed paths some since….hardly unique. ….. Hardly evidence of a close relationship that would preclude Pitino from succeeding Ewing. ““Patrick did a great job the year before at Georgetown. I followed him, I talked to him a lot on the phone, I’d call him after games and said what I liked and what I thought he needed to work on. I didn’t follow him this year because of being over in Greece,” Rick Pitino said clutchpoints.com/nba-news-patrick-ewing-stereotyped-in-coaching-gig-claims-rick-pitino |
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Post by astrohoya on Mar 4, 2023 15:45:09 GMT -5
Pitino very explicitly said in the article last week he would not coach in the Big 10, because of his son being fired at Minnesota. Given he is being publicly linked to GTown, he could have also explicitly ruled out Georgetown. He did not.
Nobody will ever employ Ewing in any kind of coaching capacity again. He is the Rich Kotite of college basketball.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 4, 2023 15:49:15 GMT -5
Pitino very explicitly said in the article last week he would not coach in the Big 10, because of his son being fired at Minnesota. Given he is being publicly linked to GTown, he could have also explicitly ruled out Georgetown. He did not. Nobody will ever employ Ewing in any kind of coaching capacity again. He is the Rich Kotite of college basketball. We gave you the info you requested. You claimed it was so hard to find. Now you are side stepping. I’m okay if he’s just special assistant to the AD or goodwill ambassador for the University if it brings in Pitino. Do you have a problem with that. |
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Post by astrohoya on Mar 4, 2023 16:04:37 GMT -5
I acknowledge you provided an article that explains where you get your claims from. I just do not think it means as much as you think it means. I basically agree with 2003’s post above. Now, maybe you can address my point about Pitino not adding GTown to places he explicitly ruled out.
Frankly, Ewing has been such a failure and displayed such little competence that I would prefer he not be associated with the university at all. If your premise is somehow correct, and him taking a sinecure is somehow necessary to us getting a good coach, then sure, I would accept that. That said, I seriously doubt your premise is correct.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 4, 2023 16:19:15 GMT -5
wondering if NIL really hurt Ewing. Its been an adjustment for some coaches. Yeah, that’s why he’s decided that shooting long twos and giving up open threes is the optimal strategy. maybe. i was thinking along the lines of personnel management along with the obvious administrative stuff. but doesnt matter. i still dont view him as a good coach at this point. |
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