Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Mar 3, 2023 19:40:25 GMT -5
Pat was set up to fail. He was asked to take a job he did not have the experience or competence for. The people that hired him (and the people who thought his hiring was a good idea) are certainly responsible for that. But Pat is a grown man and he could say no. He was richly compensated for this choice even before the extension that will turn out to be a $12 million gift from the university. Pat has continued on to collect that money long past the point it was obvious he had failed at his job, and at this point there is not any even evidence he is trying. I’m a lawyer, and it is actually a violation of our professional ethics to take on a job we know we are unqualified or unequipped to do. So yes, the people that hired him set him up for failure and should answer that. But spare me the violins for Pat Ewing. His failure is his responsibility. This. 100%. Too many excuses around here for me. Sure, there were some things against Ewing, but he's a grown man and has to take responsibility for himself and his decisions. That's the bottom line. |
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 3, 2023 20:05:53 GMT -5
Take clip fwiw…
I admit I’m very pessimistic when it comes to this administration so the idea that they’re( or anyone in the orbit of)working behind the scenes for Pitino seems nuts to me plus way out of character…
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Post by TC on Mar 4, 2023 11:06:14 GMT -5
I have no idea who Trilly Donovan is or what Trilly does or what Trilly's pronouns are but I like what Trilly is writing.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 4, 2023 12:14:22 GMT -5
wondering if NIL really hurt Ewing. Its been an adjustment for some coaches.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 4, 2023 12:15:54 GMT -5
wondering if NIL really hurt Ewing. Its been an adjustment for some coaches. No. Except for four days in March, he was horrible before NIL. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 4, 2023 12:17:29 GMT -5
wondering if NIL really hurt Ewing. Its been an adjustment for some coaches. Yeah, that’s why he’s decided that shooting long twos and giving up open threes is the optimal strategy. |
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Post by Highsmith on Mar 4, 2023 12:20:35 GMT -5
I have no idea who Trilly Donovan is or what Trilly does or what Trilly's pronouns are but I like what Trilly is writing. I just hope Rick Pitino is the preferred coach for Georgetown. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 4, 2023 12:33:17 GMT -5
I have no idea who Trilly Donovan is or what Trilly does or what Trilly's pronouns are but I like what Trilly is writing. I just hope Rick Pitino is the preferred coach for Georgetown. The fact that no announcement has been made on Ewing even though it’s the right thing to do for multiple reasons at this point, makes me think they’re also botching they replacement process (if they’ve even started it). |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 4, 2023 12:39:17 GMT -5
One point that is sometimes missed with Ewing (especially with folks mad at him for his extension), he didn't really want the Georgetown job and said as much after being hired. He specifically said he wouldn't have even entertained going to the college ranks if it weren't for being talked into it by Big John. I hope when all the dust settles, people can step back and see this for what it was. I want to see new leadership for sure. But I also think Pat was set-up to fail by Ronny & the hanger on types. That is the biggest impediment to the next coach. Pat needed someone to help him parse the quickly changing college landscape. He needed someone to bring in new ideas, engage the alumni, and change the antiquated ways the program had been run. Yes, Pat didn't adapt and that is his fault but he also didn't get much help along the way. Oh come on, this argument is such a cop-out and blaming everyone but Ewing - it's Big John's fault for pushing him into the role! It's Kirby and Waheed's fault! It's Ronny's fault! It's Bill Howze's fault! It completely ignores the fact that Ronny isn't the only one hiring friends and family and creating an insular culture - Patrick has been doing that too. After last year, everyone blamed the players and Kirby and Waheed for recruiting them, then celebrated the transfers that were brought in ... and the results are worse (Georgetown 2022 was 175 in kenpom, Georgetown 2023 is 217) and this team has a level of dissension that wasn't present last year. So you have to ask yourself - were Kirby and Waheed really the issue? Were their hands tied in recruiting in ways that Nickelberry's weren't? If JT2 did clear the tracks for Patrick (Shaka Smart, etc), it means that everyone else but Patrick had the common sense to realize this was going to be a dysfunctional situation they should stay away from. Amen. |
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Post by concord on Mar 4, 2023 12:53:12 GMT -5
wondering if NIL really hurt Ewing. Its been an adjustment for some coaches. Honestly, recruiting was never his problem. He got talent in the door before and after NIL happened. The problem was getting that talent to gel and develop, managing and retaining key players…or any semblance of in-game coaching strategy and adjustments on the level of a high major program. |
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Post by OmaHoya on Mar 4, 2023 12:58:53 GMT -5
I just hope Rick Pitino is the preferred coach for Georgetown. The fact that no announcement has been made on Ewing even though it’s the right thing to do for multiple reasons at this point, makes me think they’re also botching they replacement process (if they’ve even started it). Or it's the exact opposite. Enough backchannel conversations have occurred to build a level of trust with a preferred candidate, so there is no need to speed up the termination process because you already know where it's going. Here's to hoping. |
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Post by nbhoya on Mar 4, 2023 13:03:32 GMT -5
The fact that no announcement has been made on Ewing even though it’s the right thing to do for multiple reasons at this point, makes me think they’re also botching they replacement process (if they’ve even started it). Or it's the exact opposite. Enough backchannel conversations have occurred to build a level of trust with a preferred candidate, so there is no need to speed up the termination process because you already know where it's going. Here's to hoping. Nothing is guaranteed in college athletics until papers are signed. I hope they don’t rely on gentlemen’s agreements. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 4, 2023 13:05:31 GMT -5
I just hope Rick Pitino is the preferred coach for Georgetown. The fact that no announcement has been made on Ewing even though it’s the right thing to do for multiple reasons at this point, makes me think they’re also botching they replacement process (if they’ve even started it). The best thing is to make Pat nominal assistant coach or like Lindsay Whelan special assistant to the AD or take the chief of staff position (not sure what the current guy actually does) and that will make it comfortable for Pitino to come here. Then we can use Pitinos mentor relationship and friendship with Pat as an advantage and maintain links to the past while saving some money. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 4, 2023 13:08:04 GMT -5
Or it's the exact opposite. Enough backchannel conversations have occurred to build a level of trust with a preferred candidate, so there is no need to speed up the termination process because you already know where it's going. Here's to hoping. Nothing is guaranteed in college athletics until papers are signed. I hope they don’t rely on gentlemen’s agreements. Yup there are coaches who have backed out at the last second (shake Smart the first time he was wooed by Marquette) or after already hired (Beard actually did this, resigning six days after being hired). |
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Post by nbhoya on Mar 4, 2023 13:08:22 GMT -5
The fact that no announcement has been made on Ewing even though it’s the right thing to do for multiple reasons at this point, makes me think they’re also botching they replacement process (if they’ve even started it). The best thing is to make Pat nominal assistant coach or like Lindsay Whelan special assistant to the AD or take the chief of staff position (not sure what the current guy actually does) and that will make it comfortable for Pitino to come here. Then we can use Pitinos mentor relationship and friendship with Pat as an advantage and maintain links to the past while saving some money. Hell no. We need a clean break from the JT tree/family. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 4, 2023 13:08:54 GMT -5
The fact that no announcement has been made on Ewing even though it’s the right thing to do for multiple reasons at this point, makes me think they’re also botching they replacement process (if they’ve even started it). The best thing is to make Pat nominal assistant coach or like Lindsay Whelan special assistant to the AD or take the chief of staff position (not sure what the current guy actually does) and that will make it comfortable for Pitino to come here. Then we can use Pitinos mentor relationship and friendship with Pat as an advantage and maintain links to the past while saving some money. No, the best thing is to rip this up root-and-branch and start from scratch. I know that you’re dead set on pushing this narrative that Rick Pitino needs Ewing’s blessing to take the job, which nobody else believes. But even if that’s true, you find a way to do it without giving Ewing a job, even a figurehead one. You don’t create a Ronny Thompson situation all over again. |
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Post by thedragon on Mar 4, 2023 13:08:59 GMT -5
Since I'm bored at an airport. And while we wait to see if Georgetown admin will reciprocate the Pitino interest. Would something like this be palatable to the masses (understanding that many say Pitino or bust) General Manager: Jon Wallace theathletic.com/4187319/2023/02/16/college-basketball-programs-nil/Head Coach: Mike Jones Associate Head Coach/Special Advisor: Mike Brey Assistant Coach: Nolan Smith Assistant Coach: Kevin Braswell DOBO: Austin Freeman If nothing else - the Jon Wallace as GM would be a slam dunk x1000. I doubt he'd leave his NBA front office job - but I'd make a full court press ask. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 4, 2023 13:10:41 GMT -5
Honest question: what would the “GM” role be?
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Post by thedragon on Mar 4, 2023 13:14:46 GMT -5
Honest question: what would the “GM” role be? I linked an article in previous post that is somewhat informative if you have an Athletic subscription. NIL. Recruiting overseer. Player Relationships/Personal Development. Branding. Scheduling. Overseer PR and Digital. Nike/Jordan liaison. Etc. |
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 4, 2023 13:21:42 GMT -5
Since I'm bored at an airport. And while we wait to see if Georgetown admin will reciprocate the Pitino interest. Would something like this be palatable to the masses (understanding that many say Pitino or bust) General Manager: Jon Wallace theathletic.com/4187319/2023/02/16/college-basketball-programs-nil/Head Coach: Mike Jones Associate Head Coach/Special Advisor: Mike Brey Assistant Coach: Nolan Smith Assistant Coach: Kevin Braswell DOBO: Austin Freeman If nothing else - the Jon Wallace as GM would be a slam dunk x1000. I doubt he'd leave his NBA front office job - but I'd make a full court press ask. Some would argue that the proposed structure is still tied to Thompson tree via Esherick (Braswell) and JT III (Wallace, Freeman). But could it do worse than the last two seasons? |
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