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Post by professorhoya on Feb 28, 2023 19:16:03 GMT -5
Never heard of this guy (Out of the area since graduation) but his take just seems way too influenced by the fact that he’s a local. I wouldn’t put much stock in it. I'd even question his overall college basketball acumen if he is suggesting Amaker for any job. As soon as he said Amaker knew the guy is a clueless clown or a plant. |
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Post by nbhoya on Feb 28, 2023 19:59:50 GMT -5
Lol. If Amaker were to be the hire, the program is DONE.
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Post by alleninxis on Feb 28, 2023 20:06:14 GMT -5
Thankfully Amaker has played his way out of this the last few years, similiar to Dawkins at UCF. Of course, I also would have thought that about Brey and his two ACC wins with a defense even worse than ours and being told it's time to hang it up at ND, but maybe not!
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Post by jackofjoy on Feb 28, 2023 20:10:41 GMT -5
While as Ive said many times on here, Id be fully on board with a Pitino hire- I think this idea that hes the only choice because hes a slam dunk to win right away is fools gold. Hes 70+ years old. Has not coached at a high major in 7 years. His track record with recent transfer portal is highly unimpressive. For this season Iona had 3 transfers: 1 from Mizzou, and 2 from Community colleges. His current staff is highly unimpressive. And his former staff - well, we know how that went. He's a HOF'er and one of the best coaches of a generation. Its just a matter of which generation. Is it impossible to believe that he could flounder at Gtown much in the way Boeheim has at Syracuse as he got older? If Pitino came in and made Georgetown a .500 team, for the next 2 or 3 years - would that suffice? Because that is probably at the higher end of probabilities - and then what? You now have a 73 year old coach about to retire with a middling program and are basically back to where we are today in a coaching search with a few extra Ws. Again, Im on board with his hiring if it goes that way, but at the expense of a real search, or proclamation that its him or bust - foolishness imo. I’ll bite. Way too low of a bar for Pitino, but in a word, YES. Assuming you’re talking .500 in the BE? I’d trust Pitino to put together a real OOC schedule where even a .500 record in conference would be bubble territory with a win or two in the BET. In short, just gimme hope. And more than say 8 wins in the BE is at least hope. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 28, 2023 20:13:27 GMT -5
Tommy Amaker, the current Harvard coach and Fairfax native, makes some sense to me. He grew up here when the Hoyas were in their salad days (though he ended up playing at Duke) and would have a great feel for what the program once was but also has experience coaching at a rigorous academic institution. One thing that seems clear: Whoever's next can't be chosen simply because he has ties to John Thompson Jr. The late coach's imprint can still be felt on the program, and it feels like there needs to be a clean break. Need a clean break, should choose the guy with the deepest ties to JT Jr and who will continue Ronny's influence. Got it. The dude obviously has done zero research or even knows much about Amaker who is just a horrible coach period. For every 100 articles saying Pitino, surely the one saying Amaker is the one that good ol Jack will listen to. I would take Mike Jones before Amaker tbh |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 28, 2023 20:14:02 GMT -5
If we hire Brey, I hope Notre Dame hires Pitino and has immediate success. Hiring Brey, who can no longer cut it at the other contender for “most prestigious Catholic university in the country,” would just be so pathetic. Jack and company would deserve all of the embarrassment that would accompany ND scooping Pitino and thriving while we flounder with ND’s detritus.
To be clear, I hope we do the right thing and go out and get Pitino. But it would be a fitting punishment if Jack‘s squeamishness costs us Pitino and he ends up at the University of Holier Than Thou.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 28, 2023 20:15:48 GMT -5
While as Ive said many times on here, Id be fully on board with a Pitino hire- I think this idea that hes the only choice because hes a slam dunk to win right away is fools gold. Hes 70+ years old. Has not coached at a high major in 7 years. His track record with recent transfer portal is highly unimpressive. For this season Iona had 3 transfers: 1 from Mizzou, and 2 from Community colleges. His current staff is highly unimpressive. And his former staff - well, we know how that went. He's a HOF'er and one of the best coaches of a generation. Its just a matter of which generation. Is it impossible to believe that he could flounder at Gtown much in the way Boeheim has at Syracuse as he got older? If Pitino came in and made Georgetown a .500 team, for the next 2 or 3 years - would that suffice? Because that is probably at the higher end of probabilities - and then what? You now have a 73 year old coach about to retire with a middling program and are basically back to where we are today in a coaching search with a few extra Ws. Again, Im on board with his hiring if it goes that way, but at the expense of a real search, or proclamation that its him or bust - foolishness imo. I’ll bite. Way too low of a bar for Pitino, but in a word, YES. Assuming you’re talking .500 in the BE? I’d trust Pitino to put together a real OOC schedule where even a .500 record in conference would be bubble territory with a win or two in the BET. In short, just gimme hope. And more than say 8 winds in the BE is at least hope. Yeah I am one of the people with the opinion that your OOC schedule should be enough to get into the tournament with .500 in conference so I would take that immediately if that was the guaranteed floor. Does anyone really think Brey or Jones could have a higher floor? |
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 28, 2023 20:16:53 GMT -5
If we hire Brey, I hope Notre Dame hires Pitino and has immediate success. Hiring Brey, who can no longer cut it at the other contender for “most prestigious Catholic university in the country,” would just be so pathetic. Jack and company would deserve all of the embarrassment that would accompany ND scooping Pitino and thriving while we flounder with ND’s detritus. To be clear, I hope we do the right thing and go out and get Pitino. But it would be a fitting punishment if Jack‘s squeamishness costs us Pitino and he ends up at the University of Holier Than Thou. Either there or St. John’s so Jack has to watch the team get thrashed by the most obvious hire ever twice a year |
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Post by nbhoya on Feb 28, 2023 20:20:30 GMT -5
JD should be fired if it’s not Pitino and he could have had Pitino. Period.
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Post by bluechi on Feb 28, 2023 20:27:24 GMT -5
President DiGioia We need major rescuscitation and have been life support far too long. Hire one of the best basketball professionals in the business. Hire Rick Pitino!! ...Big elephant in the room  |
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Post by bluechi on Feb 28, 2023 20:32:53 GMT -5
JD should be fired if it’s not Pitino and he could have had Pitino. Period. hm. interesting. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 28, 2023 20:33:37 GMT -5
Simply, Amaker isn’t a very good coach. He didn’t cut it at Michigan and except for that short period where he had some better teams at Harvard, he’s been a pretty poor coach. I know I’ve said I don’t want James Jones either but I would take him all day over Amaker, who has both a low ceiling and low floor.
Brey is similar except he’s probably better than Amaker. But neither of them have business coaching our team next year when better options exist.
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Post by bluechi on Feb 28, 2023 20:36:43 GMT -5
Tommy Amaker, the current Harvard coach and Fairfax native, makes some sense to me. He grew up here when the Hoyas were in their salad days (though he ended up playing at Duke) and would have a great feel for what the program once was but also has experience coaching at a rigorous academic institution. One thing that seems clear: Whoever's next can't be chosen simply because he has ties to John Thompson Jr. The late coach's imprint can still be felt on the program, and it feels like there needs to be a clean break. Need a clean break, should choose the guy with the deepest ties to JT Jr and who will continue Ronny's influence. Got it. No ties except mutual respect. |
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Post by bluechi on Feb 28, 2023 20:41:52 GMT -5
I’ll bite. Way too low of a bar for Pitino, but in a word, YES. Assuming you’re talking .500 in the BE? I’d trust Pitino to put together a real OOC schedule where even a .500 record in conference would be bubble territory with a win or two in the BET. In short, just gimme hope. And more than say 8 winds in the BE is at least hope. Yeah I am one of the people with the opinion that your OOC schedule should be enough to get into the tournament with .500 in conference so I would take that immediately if that was the guaranteed floor. Does anyone really think Brey or Jones could have a higher floor? Pitino would not have a .500 record at GU over a three year period. He just wouldn't. He's not an average coach. They'd be jockeying for tournament seeding (NCAA). Someone mentioned few days ago that Pitino's not a great recruiter. Not true. He mentioned in an interview recently that he doesn't heavily 4 and 5-star recruits. Which makes him all the more special. That being said, i'd have no issue with heavily considering any of his assistants. He has a very successful coaching tree. The guy knows people. |
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 28, 2023 20:49:23 GMT -5
Yeah I am one of the people with the opinion that your OOC schedule should be enough to get into the tournament with .500 in conference so I would take that immediately if that was the guaranteed floor. Does anyone really think Brey or Jones could have a higher floor? Pitino would not have a .500 record at GU over a three year period. He just wouldn't. He's not an average coach. They'd be jockeying for tournament seeding (NCAA). Someone mentioned few days ago that Pitino's not a great recruiter. Not true. He mentioned in an interview recently that he doesn't heavily 4 and 5-star recruits. Which makes him all the more special. That being said, i'd have no issue with heavily considering any of his assistants. He has a very successful coaching tree. The guy knows people. Has he ever had a sub 500 season? |
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 28, 2023 20:58:36 GMT -5
Barry Svrluga had a Q&A re DMV sports at WAPO today. In answer to a question about when will Ewing be fired: This has to end. I wrote that more than a month ago, but it has been apparent for longer than that. I'd trust Georgetown to do it in a way that doesn't embarrass arguably the greatest player in program history, though I would say that Ewing has seemed defiant. It's clear he cares, and it'll be interesting to see if they're able to quickly and amicably come to a conclusion on the best way to put a bow on his career there. .... Never heard of this guy (Out of the area since graduation) but his take just seems way too influenced by the fact that he’s a local. I wouldn’t put much stock in it. Svrluga has been the main sports columnist for the Washington Post for a while now (like, might've taken the pen from Wilbon so really quite some time...); appears pretty regularly on Kornheiser's podcast. He did at least have the judgment after the Depaul win to write a column (the one he refers to in the answer), the headline/theme of which was something like "Georgetown finally won. Now it's time for Ewing to go." But he does seem to have at most a very superficial grasp on the program/local basketball generally (his "Ewing must go" column was exactly that: right conclusion, terrible on detailed explanation/argument), and I'm sure the Amaker thing was just knee jerk thinking. Heart seems in the right place but just no real time devoted to particulars. I did find the part of the answer that "Ewing has seemed defiant" of interest, and probably also spot on, depressing as that is. |
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Post by bluechi on Feb 28, 2023 21:06:30 GMT -5
Never heard of this guy (Out of the area since graduation) but his take just seems way too influenced by the fact that he’s a local. I wouldn’t put much stock in it. Svrluga has been the main sports columnist for the Washington Post for a while now (like, might've taken the pen from Wilbon so really quite some time...); appears pretty regularly on Kornheiser's podcast. He did at least have the judgment after the Depaul win to write a column (the one he refers to in the answer), the headline/theme of which was something like "Georgetown finally won. Now it's time for Ewing to go." But he does seem to have at most a very superficial grasp on the program/local basketball generally (his "Ewing must go" column was exactly that: right conclusion, terrible on detailed explanation/argument), and I'm sure the Amaker thing was just knee jerk thinking. Heart seems in the right place but just no real time devoted to particulars. I did find the part of the answer that "Ewing has seemed defiant" of interest, and probably also spot on, depressing as that is. Yep Svrluga is big time at Wapo. BUT he's clearly not in touch with GU sports or perhaps even college basketball in general. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 28, 2023 21:22:01 GMT -5
If we hire Brey, I hope Notre Dame hires Pitino and has immediate success. Hiring Brey, who can no longer cut it at the other contender for “most prestigious Catholic university in the country,” would just be so pathetic. Jack and company would deserve all of the embarrassment that would accompany ND scooping Pitino and thriving while we flounder with ND’s detritus. To be clear, I hope we do the right thing and go out and get Pitino. But it would be a fitting punishment if Jack‘s squeamishness costs us Pitino and he ends up at the University of Holier Than Thou. Either there or St. John’s so Jack has to watch the team get thrashed by the most obvious hire ever twice a year Yeah, but the problem with it being St. John’s is that Jack could rationalize it as “St. John’s isn’t Georgetown. It’s a commuter school in Queens. They can slum it with Pitino. We can’t.” Can’t do that kind of pearl clutching if he lands at Notre Dame. Edit to clarify: I don’t want ND to succeed in general. But I do want them to hire Pitino and thrive if we hire Brey, the guy they’re firing. If we make some other bad hire, I’d rather see Pitino land at St. John’s. Better for the Big East. |
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Post by DoffBHoya on Feb 28, 2023 21:28:23 GMT -5
Either there or St. John’s so Jack has to watch the team get thrashed by the most obvious hire ever twice a year Yeah, but the problem with it being St. John’s is that Jack could rationalize it as “St. John’s isn’t Georgetown. It’s a commuter school in Queens. They can slum it with Pitino. We can’t.” Can’t do that kind of pearl clutching if he lands at Notre Dame. There’s absolutely no way Pitino is going to ND. |
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 28, 2023 21:40:19 GMT -5
Svrluga has been the main sports columnist for the Washington Post for a while now (like, might've taken the pen from Wilbon so really quite some time...); appears pretty regularly on Kornheiser's podcast. He did at least have the judgment after the Depaul win to write a column (the one he refers to in the answer), the headline/theme of which was something like "Georgetown finally won. Now it's time for Ewing to go." But he does seem to have at most a very superficial grasp on the program/local basketball generally (his "Ewing must go" column was exactly that: right conclusion, terrible on detailed explanation/argument), and I'm sure the Amaker thing was just knee jerk thinking. Heart seems in the right place but just no real time devoted to particulars. I did find the part of the answer that "Ewing has seemed defiant" of interest, and probably also spot on, depressing as that is. Yep Svrluga is big time at Wapo. BUT he's clearly not in touch with GU sports or perhaps even college basketball in general. Frankly, no one at the WaPo is in touch with Hoya sports. |
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