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Post by TC on Feb 28, 2023 12:35:41 GMT -5
College of Charleston coach Pat Kelsey agreed to new contract extension through 2028. At least $5M total. $1M per year plus incentives. Notre Dame will buy that out in a second. |
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 28, 2023 12:36:16 GMT -5
Coach Calipari's Final Four with UMASS was erased and it had literally no impact on his legacy and is still considered an accomplishment, I think most people consider Caliperi a huge cheater. I think his Memphis stuff may have been erased too. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 28, 2023 12:37:26 GMT -5
Professor - what’s your angle listing two coaches who have less a chance of being hired here than you? If they don’t hire Pitino then you can claim keeping Ewing would be better? Don’t want mediocre or unaccomplished coaches. And, yet, your preferred option is more Pat Ewing. |
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 28, 2023 12:45:01 GMT -5
Based on what you know about the University, what do you think a "real search" looks like? I have little confidence in a real search happening because who would conduct it. Georgetown's idea of a real search could be wheeling out Paul Tagliabue again with the threshold questions being: "Are you represented by David Falk?" and "Would you honor Jack's promise to JT2 to keep Ronny employed?" and winding up with Amaker or Dawkins. Madge - Your question is well founded and your skepticism is well earned. I think Im hopeful of a real search because the circumstances have greatly changed. JT is gone (RIP). People like Tagliabue have gotten up in age and their voices within the ears of the administration have greatly diminished. And maybe most importantly, JDG has been embarrassed. By the way the program has been run (Graduation rates, disciplinary issue, W-L record) as well as the negative publicity around the extension. I believe we are going to see a much more standard process this time around...time will tell. Everyone stop bringing up Tagliabue. He apparently is suffering with Parkinson's disease. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 28, 2023 12:46:03 GMT -5
While as Ive said many times on here, Id be fully on board with a Pitino hire- I think this idea that hes the only choice because hes a slam dunk to win right away is fools gold. Hes 70+ years old. Has not coached at a high major in 7 years. His track record with recent transfer portal is highly unimpressive. For this season Iona had 3 transfers: 1 from Mizzou, and 2 from Community colleges. His current staff is highly unimpressive. And his former staff - well, we know how that went. He's a HOF'er and one of the best coaches of a generation. Its just a matter of which generation. Is it impossible to believe that he could flounder at Gtown much in the way Boeheim has at Syracuse as he got older? If Pitino came in and made Georgetown a .500 team, for the next 2 or 3 years - would that suffice? Because that is probably at the higher end of probabilities - and then what? You now have a 73 year old coach about to retire with a middling program and are basically back to where we are today in a coaching search with a few extra Ws. Again, Im on board with his hiring if it goes that way, but at the expense of a real search, or proclamation that its him or bust - foolishness imo. He took Providence to a Final Four in 2 years. He took Kentucky to a Final Four in 4 years. He took Louisville to a Final Four in 4 years. We don't have time to do that now ... plus we are damaged goods. This is last bit is stands out to me because it’s pretty much true about being damaged goods. The program is so broken down and stuck in the past with non fans not even knowing what the heck is going on and don’t even know who’s driving the bus. Like Ronny Thompson is always being brought up by Hoya fans on the internet but outsiders have no clue what/who we are blabbing about when it comes to our phantom “chief of staff” that is connected to Pops. Some people will consider pitino’s age a problem or that he’s damaged goods but in our current situation both of those are positives. His limited time frame serves us well in that he’s gonna give it his all (and he turned teams into contenders in as little as 2 years BEFORE free transfers) and there isn’t a need for a firing/buyout clause (along with no buyout to get him out of Iona), and the damaged program meets damaged goods coach to repair both legacies which could be one of his best accomplishments. I’m not totally Pitino or bust but if it comes out that he was never even contacted, then it‘s bust because the admin/program was never serious about fixing itself. Edit: and I emphasize how cheap Pitino would be overall because I am sure JD is at least slightly aware of how much money he wasted on Ewing. He definitely isn’t looking to buyout a HM that is any risk so he doesn’t look like a clown again wasting another $30+ million |
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Post by thedragon on Feb 28, 2023 12:46:33 GMT -5
Madge - Your question is well founded and your skepticism is well earned. I think Im hopeful of a real search because the circumstances have greatly changed. JT is gone (RIP). People like Tagliabue have gotten up in age and their voices within the ears of the administration have greatly diminished. And maybe most importantly, JDG has been embarrassed. By the way the program has been run (Graduation rates, disciplinary issue, W-L record) as well as the negative publicity around the extension. I believe we are going to see a much more standard process this time around...time will tell. Everyone stop bringing up Tagliabue. He apparently is suffering with dementia. I was trying to say that in a more diplomatic manner! |
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 28, 2023 12:50:28 GMT -5
Everyone stop bringing up Tagliabue. He apparently is suffering with dementia. I was trying to say that in a more diplomatic manner! Ah, okay. It's Parkinson's I believe but a debilitating medical conditions are what they are. Plus he's publicly spoken about his Parkinson's prior to his NFL HOF induction. |
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 28, 2023 12:51:51 GMT -5
Based on what you know about the University, what do you think a "real search" looks like? I have little confidence in a real search happening because who would conduct it. Georgetown's idea of a real search could be wheeling out Paul Tagliabue again with the threshold questions being: "Are you represented by David Falk?" and "Would you honor Jack's promise to JT2 to keep Ronny employed?" and winding up with Amaker or Dawkins. Madge - Your question is well founded and your skepticism is well earned. I think Im hopeful of a real search because the circumstances have greatly changed. JT is gone (RIP). People like Tagliabue have gotten up in age and their voices within the ears of the administration have greatly diminished. And maybe most importantly, JDG has been embarrassed. By the way the program has been run (Graduation rates, disciplinary issue, W-L record) as well as the negative publicity around the extension. I believe we are going to see a much more standard process this time around...time will tell. Seems like people here don’t want a standard process. They want Pitino and immediately without really considering all options. If Pitino can be expedited why go through a comprehensive search. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 28, 2023 12:54:00 GMT -5
Madge - Your question is well founded and your skepticism is well earned. I think Im hopeful of a real search because the circumstances have greatly changed. JT is gone (RIP). People like Tagliabue have gotten up in age and their voices within the ears of the administration have greatly diminished. And maybe most importantly, JDG has been embarrassed. By the way the program has been run (Graduation rates, disciplinary issue, W-L record) as well as the negative publicity around the extension. I believe we are going to see a much more standard process this time around...time will tell. Seems like people here don’t want a standard process. They want Pitino and immediately without really considering all options. If Pitino can be expedited why go through a comprehensive search. Probably because a “Georgetown standard process” might take a month after the tournament ends and we get an “oh shucks the candidates are taken” and get Amaker |
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Post by TC on Feb 28, 2023 12:54:18 GMT -5
Seems like people here don’t want a standard process. We're smart enough to know we'll never get a standard process with DeGioia in charge. |
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Post by practice on Feb 28, 2023 12:55:13 GMT -5
Seems like people here don’t want a standard process. They want Pitino and immediately without really considering all options. If Pitino can be expedited why go through a comprehensive search. Probably because a “Georgetown standard process” might take a month after the tournament ends and we get an “oh shucks the candidates are taken” and get Amaker Worse ...Ronny! JT2 from beyond the grave speaking to JDG as the Ghost of Hoya Past!!! |
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Post by madgesiq92 on Feb 28, 2023 12:56:27 GMT -5
Madge - Your question is well founded and your skepticism is well earned. I think Im hopeful of a real search because the circumstances have greatly changed. JT is gone (RIP). People like Tagliabue have gotten up in age and their voices within the ears of the administration have greatly diminished. And maybe most importantly, JDG has been embarrassed. By the way the program has been run (Graduation rates, disciplinary issue, W-L record) as well as the negative publicity around the extension. I believe we are going to see a much more standard process this time around...time will tell. Everyone stop bringing up Tagliabue. He apparently is suffering with dementia/Parkinson's disease. Ok, replace the name Tagliabue with another distinguished alum entrusted by Jack to do a "real search" while handcuffed and not being given the power/authority to do so, and my point stands. |
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 28, 2023 12:57:56 GMT -5
Probably because a “Georgetown standard process” might take a month after the tournament ends and we get an “oh shucks the candidates are taken” and get Amaker Worse ...Ronny! JT2 from beyond the grave speaking to JDG as the Ghost of Hoya Past!!! So this is all just the Christmas Carol. Jacob Marley = Past = JT2 Present = Yet to Come = Bob Cratchet = Tiny Tim = |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 28, 2023 13:15:06 GMT -5
Pitino and his assistants have always been able to recruit. A quick perusal of some his past rosters at Providence, Kentucky and Louisville: Jamal Mashburn, Tony Delk, Antoine Walker, Ron Merce, Billy Donovan, Derek Anderson, Russ Smith, Wayne Turner, Francisco Garcia, Nazr Mohammed, Donovan Mitchell, Terrance Williams, Earl Clark, Samardo Samuels, Montrezl Harrell, Peyton Siva, Rodrick Rhodes, Travis Ford, Walter McCarty, Mark Pope, Scott Padgett, Jamaal Magloire, and Edgar Sosa. Almost all of those guys ended up in the NBA. Also, Pitino has been able to build staffs and attract great assistants. Here's a partial list of his some his past assistants: Mick Cronin, Scott Davenport, Billy Donovan, Travis Ford, Marvin Menzies, Richard Pitino, Kareem Richardson, Steve Masiello, Herb Sendek, Tubby Smith, Reggie Theus, Kevin Willard, Sean Woods, Jeff Van Gundy, Jim O' Brien, Herb Sendek, Frank Vogel, Ralph Willard, and Kevin Keatts. In all likelihood, Pitino not only will be able to recruit an all star bench but it's just as likely there's assistant already at Iona who is a strong candidate. Finally, I'd be willing to be that the portals will open if and when Pitino ends up a high major school like Georgetown. The fact of the matter is that recruiting HS players is not as important as it was. Look at Iowa State or Kansas State where a coach arrives and builds a roster through the portal. It's even arguable that a better coach -- i.e. anyone else -- could have taking the Nickelberry All Stars that Georgetown has and turned it into a winning team. I understand when people who don't really pay attention think that Pitino is some shady character ... it's wrong, but I understand it. What is not understandable is the anyone who even casually follows college basketball could think that Pitino can't recruit in any environment. "I understand when people who don't really pay attention think that Pitino is some shady character ... it's wrong, but I understand it." LOL. I think plenty of people who pay lots of attention would not share this characterization. I understand when people think Pitino is the only coach we should hire for the job and are willing to look past his prior indiscretions on and off the court to get to that conclusion...its wrong, but I understand it. See how that works...  After the last three decades of what the University’s administration has allowed, you think that that same administration should be sitting on top of a high horse? Admin should be on a burro telling Freddo there’s not enough space for him. basta |
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 28, 2023 13:39:34 GMT -5
I was trying to say that in a more diplomatic manner! Ah, okay. It's Parkinson's I believe but a debilitating medical conditions are what they are. Plus he's publicly spoken about his Parkinson's prior to his NFL HOF induction. Admin has appropriately admonished me about suggesting that Mr. Tagliabue suffered from another condition, which I will now with draw. Apologies. I was misremembering. |
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Post by saxagael on Feb 28, 2023 14:04:11 GMT -5
I agree with you in what Pitino can do. The draw of Pitino with players is important and the last eight years (and particularly six years) is important for players. I don't know what his recruiting book looks like these days, likely decent. Recruiting is about brand and relationship, the second part is most important. Recruiting of players is a 6+ year process usually with top programs talking to coaches when the player is in middle school (coaches / recruiters can't talk to players nor their family directly until after the player's high school freshman season - unless the player is playing up on a high school team and is at a tournament with approved college coaches look in, or the coach is at a game to watch a relative). That long term relationship is key and the coaches recruiting book is essential as that will likely follow the coach(es). That post-St. John's game discussion about what current players and high school players think about schools and coaches from their perspective really hit. A player is (mostly - the new 1 free transfer for players to not sit out changed a lot of things) looking at what will I get from this coach over my four years. The best college programs in the NCAA tournament are almost all programs that have built with four year plans and even red-shirting. Many of the NBA players after the top 10 to 15 come out of these programs with long builds (one and done years have been over for two or three years). This long process is also where age of the coach comes in. I know a couple local players in the DMV who had Boeheim recruit them a few years back and age was an important consideration as they weren't sure about four years with a coach. Pitino is about 8 years younger, but a long term coach and relationship comes up and can be important to players. Pitino has serious lore. But, to players now? Being able to get the right players and over the next 4 to 6 years build the Hoya program back, from a player's perspective? I don't know (not saying he can't, just exactly that I don't know). As an alum and long time Hoya fan, and huge fan of the game, I would love to see a Hoya coach rebuild and have something solid for 10 years or much longer. Pitino and his assistants have always been able to recruit. A quick perusal of some his past rosters at Providence, Kentucky and Louisville: Jamal Mashburn, Tony Delk, Antoine Walker, Ron Merce, Billy Donovan, Derek Anderson, Russ Smith, Wayne Turner, Francisco Garcia, Nazr Mohammed, Donovan Mitchell, Terrance Williams, Earl Clark, Samardo Samuels, Montrezl Harrell, Peyton Siva, Rodrick Rhodes, Travis Ford, Walter McCarty, Mark Pope, Scott Padgett, Jamaal Magloire, and Edgar Sosa. Almost all of those guys ended up in the NBA. Also, Pitino has been able to build staffs and attract great assistants. Here's a partial list of his some his past assistants: Mick Cronin, Scott Davenport, Billy Donovan, Travis Ford, Marvin Menzies, Richard Pitino, Kareem Richardson, Steve Masiello, Herb Sendek, Tubby Smith, Reggie Theus, Kevin Willard, Sean Woods, Jeff Van Gundy, Jim O' Brien, Herb Sendek, Frank Vogel, Ralph Willard, and Kevin Keatts. In all likelihood, Pitino not only will be able to recruit an all star bench but it's just as likely there's assistant already at Iona who is a strong candidate. Finally, I'd be willing to be that the portals will open if and when Pitino ends up a high major school like Georgetown. The fact of the matter is that recruiting HS players is not as important as it was. Look at Iowa State or Kansas State where a coach arrives and builds a roster through the portal. It's even arguable that a better coach -- i.e. anyone else -- could have taking the Nickelberry All Stars that Georgetown has and turned it into a winning team. I understand when people who don't really pay attention think that Pitino is some shady character ... it's wrong, but I understand it. What is not understandable is the anyone who even casually follows college basketball could think that Pitino can't recruit in any environment. You are bringing up Pitino of lore not current Pitino and his actual reputation with players TODAY. This is my point. |
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Post by kghoya on Feb 28, 2023 14:08:19 GMT -5
He took Providence to a Final Four in 2 years. He took Kentucky to a Final Four in 4 years. He took Louisville to a Final Four in 4 years. . Can’t count Louisville. Records erased and talent was assembled though cheating and sex. He had however taken Providence and Kentucky to the final Four so that’s still more than 99% of coaches. Ugh this is so silly but I'll go ahead and ask: When did the NCAA strip Louisville of their 2005 Final Four? That's the Final Four Rick reached in his fourth season with the Cardinals. The Final Four that Practice was referring to. |
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Post by saxagael on Feb 28, 2023 14:13:19 GMT -5
Pitino has serious lore. But, to players now? Being able to get the right players and over the next 4 to 6 years build the Hoya program back, from a player's perspective? I don't know (not saying he can't, just exactly that I don't know). As an alum and long time Hoya fan, and huge fan of the game, I would love to see a Hoya coach rebuild and have something solid for 10 years or much longer. "I don't know if Rick Pitino can recruit anymore" is @badhoyatakes material. The draw with Pitino isn't that he's a brand name to a 17 year old - none of the coaches we are talking about are (Brey, Mack, James Jones) - the draw is he can coach, publicize the hell out of the program, the ticket base will buy tickets, and he is an absolute force of nature in winning. Ed Cooley made the point that because of COVID, "senior citizens are going to be playing for the next 2-3 years". Our long term success isn't going to be in getting Mike Jones and having him put together a bunch of DMV freshmen and hope we can keep them. It's going to be hiring someone who can quickly win with the portal, and then build from there. We need to win now though because the TV contract is up in 2024-2025. Coaches need players. Pitino can coach the hell out of a team. He builds for long term in the team. With the potential returning players (losing seniors, but hopefully pulling Akok's extra year out) minus one, but adding a point guard or two from transfer portal or his recruits and other freshman I have no doubt Pitino could get that team in the to 6 in the Big East (at a minimum). The continual recruiting and filling in transfer portal losses (very few teams have had zero losses) and drawing good freshmen is a serious question I have. Iona is a tough place to draw to, I had a long conversation with a player leaving Iona as a grad transfer and their decision process to go their and stay, so I don't know what Pitino's recruiting book would look like (less on him and more on the school). |
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Post by nmarcot on Feb 28, 2023 14:13:35 GMT -5
President DiGioia We need major rescuscitation and have been life support far too long. Hire one of the best basketball professionals in the business. Hire Rick Pitino!!
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Post by practice on Feb 28, 2023 14:14:57 GMT -5
Pitino and his assistants have always been able to recruit. A quick perusal of some his past rosters at Providence, Kentucky and Louisville: Jamal Mashburn, Tony Delk, Antoine Walker, Ron Merce, Billy Donovan, Derek Anderson, Russ Smith, Wayne Turner, Francisco Garcia, Nazr Mohammed, Donovan Mitchell, Terrance Williams, Earl Clark, Samardo Samuels, Montrezl Harrell, Peyton Siva, Rodrick Rhodes, Travis Ford, Walter McCarty, Mark Pope, Scott Padgett, Jamaal Magloire, and Edgar Sosa. Almost all of those guys ended up in the NBA. Also, Pitino has been able to build staffs and attract great assistants. Here's a partial list of his some his past assistants: Mick Cronin, Scott Davenport, Billy Donovan, Travis Ford, Marvin Menzies, Richard Pitino, Kareem Richardson, Steve Masiello, Herb Sendek, Tubby Smith, Reggie Theus, Kevin Willard, Sean Woods, Jeff Van Gundy, Jim O' Brien, Herb Sendek, Frank Vogel, Ralph Willard, and Kevin Keatts. In all likelihood, Pitino not only will be able to recruit an all star bench but it's just as likely there's assistant already at Iona who is a strong candidate. Finally, I'd be willing to be that the portals will open if and when Pitino ends up a high major school like Georgetown. The fact of the matter is that recruiting HS players is not as important as it was. Look at Iowa State or Kansas State where a coach arrives and builds a roster through the portal. It's even arguable that a better coach -- i.e. anyone else -- could have taking the Nickelberry All Stars that Georgetown has and turned it into a winning team. I understand when people who don't really pay attention think that Pitino is some shady character ... it's wrong, but I understand it. What is not understandable is the anyone who even casually follows college basketball could think that Pitino can't recruit in any environment. You are bringing up Pitino of lore not current Pitino and his actual reputation with players TODAY. This is my point. You realize that his last year at Louisville was the year that JT3 was fired right? He was 25-9 in 2016-17. |
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