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Post by thedragon on Feb 26, 2023 20:52:50 GMT -5
The place would be packed... For game one, there’d be more press members than fans. After that, not so sure. And I’d be ok with that hire, out of the box as it is - just think it would be a quick blip of coverage, then she’d have to earn the crowd. Not a comp to the buzz of Pitino, IMO. Different buzz then Pitino for sure but buzz nonetheless. Listen, I'm fully on board with Pitino. But again, I truly doubt JDG et al. will come aboard. A Pitino or bust narrative is starting to permeate among the fanbase and that's not a recipe for success. I'm thinking if not Pitino, who creates the most buzz while giving us a good chance to win. I get the gamble talk - but every hire is to an extent. Give me proven Xs and Os. Proven winner at the highest level. And proven ability to be a leader. Who would also generate a huge "win the press conference" moment. And I'm willing to gamble the rest. |
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Post by gotin2gu4lunch on Feb 26, 2023 21:01:26 GMT -5
It’s so simple. Pitino has the place packed next season opener. Which other coach can do that? Dawn Staley. I brought Dawn up a few weeks ago. But the bye out would be too much. I would love the hire, if we can't get Rick. She could recruit the east coast and she knows her ! Proven winner and she would get the chance to be a pioneer in the game. Forever cementing her legacy in the game! |
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Post by TC on Feb 26, 2023 21:16:00 GMT -5
Different buzz then Pitino for sure but buzz nonetheless. Listen, I'm fully on board with Pitino. But again, I truly doubt JDG et al. will come aboard. A Pitino or bust narrative is starting to permeate among the fanbase and that's not a recipe for success. I think that narrative has pretty much taken hold already and if they aren't able to convince people they tried to get Pitino, the program is going to have a hard time getting people to rally around the flag. The idea that Dawn Staley could recruit AND the idea that Dawn Staley could keep men's players eligible are not givens. It's a giant gamble. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2023 21:24:13 GMT -5
If we cannot get Pitino or Cooley, I’d be open to Staley. She’s clearly talented. My major concern there is that she’s not at all connected to the recruiting world, which is partly why I want an experienced head coach.
The reason why Pitino is special is because everyone knows he is a fantastic coach and likely to have us make significant progress in the NCAA tournament within a few years. Pitino is also a consummate promoter of his program. He’d want as full an arena as possible and would likely do much to increase attendance through interacting with students, alumni, media, etc.
Good example: my brother is also an alumnus but doesn’t follow the team much. I mentioned Pitino to him today and his reaction was he thought it was unlikely DeGioia would hire him, but that he’d have us in a Final Four within 5 years. If I asked him about Dawn Staley, he’d likely have no idea who she was. That’s nothing against Staley, it’s just that Pitino has been around high level college basketball for decades and at the top most of that time. So he’s widely known as a winner in ways really nobody else is.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 26, 2023 21:28:46 GMT -5
My vote, as it was when we fired JTIII, is to hire an experienced college head coach if there’s a vacancy. I’ve come around on Pitino. He’s one of the best coaches of his generation. If he would come, Georgetown should make it happen. He’s not perfect, but none of us are. He’s a great coach, and he deserves a second chance. If he won’t come here, then I would support an established coach along the lines of Chris Mack or possibly Chris Holtmann. For me, Marquette and Xavier are really the best comparisons. We should emulate what they did.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 26, 2023 21:38:02 GMT -5
If we cannot get Pitino or Cooley, I’d be open to Staley. She’s clearly talented. My major concern there is that she’s not at all connected to the recruiting world, If lined up with a young, connected staff to help with the recruiting (once an initial hill is broken then her coaching and credentials would speak for themselves), Ronny gone, a real commitment to marketing/social media/NIL, no big buyout from South Carolina, and the program wasn’t basically dead, then I would be all in. Sadly not, so unless it’s a couple specific candidates then I’m not renewing next season |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2023 21:59:42 GMT -5
In the past we've foolishly overlooked candidates for Univ President that were divorced (very good people I know personally) and we have been left with truly mediocre admin talent. Wait actually? That’s kind of hilarious and so nonsensically stupid, how dare these candidates violate the holy sacrament of marriage, so disgraceful, they are dangerous people to the university’s status GU did hire divorcées Pat & Ronny and look how that turned out…  |
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 27, 2023 9:20:31 GMT -5
"But to almost everyone’s relief, it is one of the worst kept secrets in college basketball that Georgetown University will be searching for a new basketball coach in the coming months. And with a little more than a week of misery remaining, we sit here wondering who might get the elusive job offer. So here at Thompson’s Towel we’ve taken it upon ourselves to put together a painstakingly comprehensive list of candidates for the soon-to-be vacancy. It is worth noting that the individuals listed here fit into one of four categories: those who we’ve heard will be called, those who we expect to be called, those who we want to be called and a few that are just for fun. We’ve put way too much time into this, so it’s your job to figure out who is who..." thompsonstowel.com/__trashed/ |
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Post by cas92 on Feb 27, 2023 10:03:14 GMT -5
"But to almost everyone’s relief, it is one of the worst kept secrets in college basketball that Georgetown University will be searching for a new basketball coach in the coming months. And with a little more than a week of misery remaining, we sit here wondering who might get the elusive job offer. So here at Thompson’s Towel we’ve taken it upon ourselves to put together a painstakingly comprehensive list of candidates for the soon-to-be vacancy. It is worth noting that the individuals listed here fit into one of four categories: those who we’ve heard will be called, those who we expect to be called, those who we want to be called and a few that are just for fun. We’ve put way too much time into this, so it’s your job to figure out who is who..." thompsonstowel.com/__trashed/
If Patrick Ewing wasn’t, you know, PATRICK EWING, I’d be willing to bet Dennis Gates would be the current Georgetown head coach. Instead of writing this damned article, we’d probably be camping outside of Capital One Arena to see our likely-NCAA Tournament bound Hoyas play. But here we are dreaming of what things could have been.
Grade the Hire: A+
-John
May read like a fawning hagiography, but from the NYTimes now owned Athletic and contains some novel insights such as Gates's modified Princeton @ a sped up pace.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 27, 2023 10:10:31 GMT -5
"But to almost everyone’s relief, it is one of the worst kept secrets in college basketball that Georgetown University will be searching for a new basketball coach in the coming months. And with a little more than a week of misery remaining, we sit here wondering who might get the elusive job offer. So here at Thompson’s Towel we’ve taken it upon ourselves to put together a painstakingly comprehensive list of candidates for the soon-to-be vacancy. It is worth noting that the individuals listed here fit into one of four categories: those who we’ve heard will be called, those who we expect to be called, those who we want to be called and a few that are just for fun. We’ve put way too much time into this, so it’s your job to figure out who is who..." thompsonstowel.com/__trashed/
If Patrick Ewing wasn’t, you know, PATRICK EWING, I’d be willing to bet Dennis Gates would be the current Georgetown head coach. Instead of writing this damned article, we’d probably be camping outside of Capital One Arena to see our likely-NCAA Tournament bound Hoyas play. But here we are dreaming of what things could have been.
Grade the Hire: A+
-John
May read like a fawning hagiography, but from the NYTimes now owned Athletic and contains some novel insights such as Gates's modified Princeton @ a sped up pace.
“Modified Princeton” We’ve heard that before. People on here aren’t gonna like that. |
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 27, 2023 10:11:29 GMT -5
"But to almost everyone’s relief, it is one of the worst kept secrets in college basketball that Georgetown University will be searching for a new basketball coach in the coming months. And with a little more than a week of misery remaining, we sit here wondering who might get the elusive job offer. So here at Thompson’s Towel we’ve taken it upon ourselves to put together a painstakingly comprehensive list of candidates for the soon-to-be vacancy. It is worth noting that the individuals listed here fit into one of four categories: those who we’ve heard will be called, those who we expect to be called, those who we want to be called and a few that are just for fun. We’ve put way too much time into this, so it’s your job to figure out who is who..." thompsonstowel.com/__trashed/OK list, but a lot of real estate dedicated to names who aren't really relevant. I am not sure why they are so down on Chris Mack ( "past the point of considering Chris Mack to be a viable option to be Georgetown’s next head coach") when they're very high on Holtmann ( "Holtmann would be a great hire, plain and simple."). Both guys have pretty similar trajectories: they were really really good Big East coaches who jumped up to bigger opportunities where they were decent but slightly underwhelming. Both UL under Mack and OSU under Holtmann were tournament caliber teams every season except for the last season (Mack departed midway through his, Holtmann is going through his right now and may be axed in a few weeks). They're around the same age. Maybe the biggest difference is that Mack is guaranteed to be available while Holtmann is a maybe at this point. I personally value someone who has proven they can succeed in this league, and while neither guy's performance at this next stop was outstanding, they were also decent enough to give me confidence they could be successful at Georgetown. I also feel like Bennett, McCasland and Kelsey belong on the list. Maybe people think Bennett is not going to be interested (might be true), and maybe people don't see the connection to McCasland who might be in line for a look at Texas, Texas Tech (if it opens), Ole Miss or elsewhere. But these are CLEARLY 2 of the best coaches outside of the P6 right now. Pat Kelsey is a half step behind that maybe, but more worthy of a look/write-up than guys like English or Valentine IMHO. Also too hard on James Jones. Not my guy either, but to write him off just because of the league he's in seems too harsh. ATM my list is still: A+++ Hires: Cooley, Pitino A Hire: Randy Bennett A- Hires: Holtmann, Mack, McCasland B+ Hire: Kelsey And I don't think we should need to go beyond that. Edited to add: There are some other guys out there who could be in the A- tier and certainly some in the B+ tier, but for the sake of likelihood, boiling it down to this, which would be the key people I'd be reaching out to next week (if it hasn't happened already). |
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Post by cas92 on Feb 27, 2023 10:20:48 GMT -5
Dennis Gates, Missouri
If Patrick Ewing wasn’t, you know, PATRICK EWING, I’d be willing to bet Dennis Gates would be the current Georgetown head coach. Instead of writing this damned article, we’d probably be camping outside of Capital One Arena to see our likely-NCAA Tournament bound Hoyas play. But here we are dreaming of what things could have been.
Grade the Hire: A+
-John
May read like a fawning hagiography, but from the NYTimes now owned Athletic and contains some novel insights such as Gates's modified Princeton @ a sped up pace.
“Modified Princeton” We’ve heard that before. People on here aren’t gonna like that.
Mizzou is not a Princeton replica. Gates has put his own spin on it. Most Princeton offenses at the college level work deep into the shot clock. Gates always knew he wanted to play fast once he became a head coach. It’s why he would visit Jim Crutchfield, a NAIA coach at Nova Southeastern. Crutchfield is known for coaching a fast-paced, efficient offense, and Brad Stevens and Erik Spoelstra have consulted with him. Gates had sought Crutchfield out years earlier and even considered hiring his assistant coach.It would behoove you to read the article before a glib dismissive claim, but entirely no surprise given the Thompson / Ewing slavish sycophancy exhibited. |
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 27, 2023 10:34:59 GMT -5
“Modified Princeton” We’ve heard that before. People on here aren’t gonna like that.
Mizzou is not a Princeton replica. Gates has put his own spin on it. Most Princeton offenses at the college level work deep into the shot clock. Gates always knew he wanted to play fast once he became a head coach. It’s why he would visit Jim Crutchfield, a NAIA coach at Nova Southeastern. Crutchfield is known for coaching a fast-paced, efficient offense, and Brad Stevens and Erik Spoelstra have consulted with him. Gates had sought Crutchfield out years earlier and even considered hiring his assistant coach.It would behoove you to read the article before a glib dismissive claim, but entirely no surprise given the Thompson / Ewing slavish sycophancy exhibited. We’ve heard that before “Princeton on steroids” “Princeton Principles” |
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Post by biggmanu on Feb 27, 2023 10:45:58 GMT -5
Gates: Can’t have him because fan base hates (which I never understood) Princeton fundamentals and too expensive
Pitino: Can’t have him because of Jacks moral superiority complex
Brey: Can’t have him because of the Thompson family’s silly grudges towards Dematha guys and Jack seems hesitant to clean house
Cooley: Can’t have him cause it’s rare to move to a conference rival
Beard: Same as Pitino
JT3: Can’t have him bc it would be embarrassing to rehire, JT3 probably wouldn’t want to be back, and plus (see Gates)
Shaka/Hurley: Shoulda, woulda, coulda
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Post by cas92 on Feb 27, 2023 10:52:17 GMT -5
As he starts rattling off his inspirations, it’s like a history lesson. The strategy of the game always fascinated him. As a child he’d watch his hometown Chicago Bulls run Tex Winter’s triangle offense, and he’d diagram the movements on paper. His offense has a lot of Princeton actions. “I saw Princeton moving in the same systematic way, and I was intrigued by it,” he says.
Mizzou is not a Princeton replica. Gates has put his own spin on it. Most Princeton offenses at the college level work deep into the shot clock. Gates always knew he wanted to play fast once he became a head coach. It’s why he would visit Jim Crutchfield, a NAIA coach at Nova Southeastern. Crutchfield is known for coaching a fast-paced, efficient offense, and Brad Stevens and Erik Spoelstra have consulted with him. Gates had sought Crutchfield out years earlier and even considered hiring his assistant coach.It would behoove you to read the article before a glib dismissive claim, but entirely no surprise given the Thompson / Ewing slavish sycophancy exhibited. We’ve heard that before “Princeton on steroids” “Princeton Principles” It'll be interesting to see whether or not you continue to post once Ewing is shown the exit (and hopefully w/ Ronny also). Also pretty telling that you've never replied to hoyasaxa2003's query as to whether or not you're an alum - and w/ a vested interest in the welfare of the school's brand / reputation overall as opposed to a cabal that's way past its expiration date. |
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Post by practice on Feb 27, 2023 11:01:18 GMT -5
I don't understand why there should be any discussion of anyone besides Pitino now. The fan base should demand Pitino. The board should demand Pitino. The media should demand Pitino. The Pope should demand Pitino. It's frankly counterproductive to talk about anyone besides Pitino. If JDG does what we think and fails to hire Pitino, then so be it ... but to throw out all these other names when Pitino is still available .. that's giving Georgetown outs that the university does not deserve.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 27, 2023 11:17:30 GMT -5
As he starts rattling off his inspirations, it’s like a history lesson. The strategy of the game always fascinated him. As a child he’d watch his hometown Chicago Bulls run Tex Winter’s triangle offense, and he’d diagram the movements on paper. His offense has a lot of Princeton actions. “I saw Princeton moving in the same systematic way, and I was intrigued by it,” he says.
Mizzou is not a Princeton replica. Gates has put his own spin on it. Most Princeton offenses at the college level work deep into the shot clock. Gates always knew he wanted to play fast once he became a head coach. It’s why he would visit Jim Crutchfield, a NAIA coach at Nova Southeastern. Crutchfield is known for coaching a fast-paced, efficient offense, and Brad Stevens and Erik Spoelstra have consulted with him. Gates had sought Crutchfield out years earlier and even considered hiring his assistant coach.It would behoove you to read the article before a glib dismissive claim, but entirely no surprise given the Thompson / Ewing slavish sycophancy exhibited. We’ve heard that before “Princeton on steroids” “Princeton Principles” The great majority of 4 out or 5 out offenses are the PO on steroids. Many will have chin or point actions in them. Botton line is the PO is modern basketball |
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Post by vv83 on Feb 27, 2023 12:24:46 GMT -5
Dennis Gates, Missouri
If Patrick Ewing wasn’t, you know, PATRICK EWING, I’d be willing to bet Dennis Gates would be the current Georgetown head coach. Instead of writing this damned article, we’d probably be camping outside of Capital One Arena to see our likely-NCAA Tournament bound Hoyas play. But here we are dreaming of what things could have been.
Grade the Hire: A+
-John
May read like a fawning hagiography, but from the NYTimes now owned Athletic and contains some novel insights such as Gates's modified Princeton @ a sped up pace.
“Modified Princeton” We’ve heard that before. People on here aren’t gonna like that. at this point - i would take a "modified" princeton offense over whatever garbage Ewing has been running. Heck, I think I would even take a regular princeton offense. At least there would be a plan, rather than the playground iso basketball mixed with transition turnovers that the Hoyas have been running with. |
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 27, 2023 13:33:40 GMT -5
I don't understand why there should be any discussion of anyone besides Pitino now. The fan base should demand Pitino. The board should demand Pitino. The media should demand Pitino. The Pope should demand Pitino. It's frankly counterproductive to talk about anyone besides Pitino. If JDG does what we think and fails to hire Pitino, then so be it ... but to throw out all these other names when Pitino is still available .. that's giving Georgetown outs that the university does not deserve. Given the way Gtown has conducted it's business over the last few decades its easy to see why folks other than Pitino are being discussed... Add to that if you're a long time fan, you should know how we feel means little to the administration. The "outs" you speak of unfortunately fits in the above category too |
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 27, 2023 14:00:38 GMT -5
I don't understand why there should be any discussion of anyone besides Pitino now. The fan base should demand Pitino. The board should demand Pitino. The media should demand Pitino. The Pope should demand Pitino. It's frankly counterproductive to talk about anyone besides Pitino. If JDG does what we think and fails to hire Pitino, then so be it ... but to throw out all these other names when Pitino is still available .. that's giving Georgetown outs that the university does not deserve. I agree that Pitino should be the first call. But even if admin does that, Pitino has some say in this as well, and there is no guarantee he will say yes (even though recent media clippings seem to hint he's interested). Until Pitino has signed on the dotted line, it would be foolish not to have some back-up options. As much as I think Cooley would be great for the Hoyas, the more reasonable back up options are Mack and Holtmann. |
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