hoopsmccan
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Post by hoopsmccan on May 18, 2022 12:20:57 GMT -5
Loving your team and hating the decision makers is different from saying I don’t support the program. If it wasn’t why would you say “Ewing is making it hard to support the program?” He’s making it hard to support the other decision makers? Yaboy, you have 12 posts since 12:00A.M. and ten within the last hour. Is the posting limit rule still in effect? This is pretty pathetic. hm
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Post by TC on May 18, 2022 12:24:46 GMT -5
Loving your team and hating the decision makers is different from saying I don’t support the program. If it wasn’t why would you say “Ewing is making it hard to support the program?” He’s making it hard to support the other decision makers? Yaboy, you have 12 posts since 12:00A.M. and ten within the last hour. Is the posting limit rule still in effect? C'mon, do we have to invoke the Tafkahashee Rule on each other? I think there's a huge difference in having a back and forth and someone posting 172 times in a day. I'm probably over 10 as well.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 18, 2022 12:26:05 GMT -5
Yaboy, you have 12 posts since 12:00A.M. and ten within the last hour. Is the posting limit rule still in effect? This is pretty pathetic. hm Why is that pathetic? I was suspended for longer than the quoted suspension period with no notice given by the mod that suspended me. I believe you, hoopsmccann, were one of the people who didn't like some of what I was posting at the time. So why is it now "pathetic" for prhoya to be pointing out a double standard? I like YaBoyNYP, for the record, and appreciate the vast majority of what he posts.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 18, 2022 12:28:41 GMT -5
I think a lot of this is semantics and talking past one another. I agree that the term "program" typically refers to the team/university as a whole - administrators, coaches, staff, whatever Ronny is, the players, etc.
As a Georgetown alumnus and fan, I will always support the "program," in the sense that it's "my" team, I want them to win, and I want our players to be great representatives of the university. So, in that sense, I definitely support that aspect of the program.
I do not support the poor management of the program (including Ewing's extension), I think Ronny Thompson should have no role in our program, and I think we need new leadership (even if that's not going to happen in the near term). Does that mismanagement make it "harder" to be enthusiastic about the program? For sure, but I still support them, and in November I'll be rooting for our guys to win, as always. I happen to think the structural administrative problems make on the court success incredibly difficult to achieve, but that won't stop me from rooting for our guys on the court anyway.
I just think a "fan" of the program can simultaneously support our players, while also disagreeing with the way the program is managed.
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Post by tashoya on May 18, 2022 12:31:01 GMT -5
Look at any franchise run as poorly as Georgetown. For example - the A's or the Pirates - there's definitely an antipathy among fans towards the adult decision makers and how they run things and fans generally don't place blame on the players for the situation. Loving your team and hating the decision makers is different from saying I don’t support the program. If it wasn’t why would you say “Ewing is making it hard to support the program?” He’s making it hard to support the other decision makers? Correct. I'm a Yankees fan and can't stand Brian Cashman.
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Post by prhoya on May 18, 2022 12:32:00 GMT -5
Yaboy, you have 12 posts since 12:00A.M. and ten within the last hour. Is the posting limit rule still in effect? Are you upset with me for speaking when spoken to?? 😬🙃 Anyway, much love PR hope all is well. Yes, the posting rules are still in force, at least through the end of the month. Please respect the rules as a result.--AdminHey, Yaboy, thanks and hope all is well with you. Just want to be clear we’re all playing by the same rules. I want to answer your posts, but I don’t want to disrespect the rules. TC and hoops (so I don’t use a post for each), just want to be clear…
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Post by EtomicB on May 18, 2022 12:39:04 GMT -5
The program is the adult decision makers, the players aren't a part of that. I doubt you root for the way Gtown handles its business, am I correct? No it’s not. The program is everything from the ball boys on up. Can you show an example of someone defining a program as solely the adult decision makers? When a fan says they support the program do you think that only means they support the adults in the room and the players are excluded from that? I think when a fan says they support the program they mean the program but when they say they root for the program I believe they’re talking about the team which is to me the players. I’m not at all trying to double talk you here. We’ve all read the many posters who have said they won’t donate money to the program any longer until changes are made which is obviously their choice. Many of those folks will still root for the program during the season, they’re not letting their feelings about the administration stop them from supporting the team on the court. The answer to your question is sometimes yes. Remember when JT3 was here and many fans hated the PO? Despite this they still rooted for Gtown to do well.. What’s the difference between that and what I’m saying? Do you support or root for the way this administration handles its business?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 12:50:18 GMT -5
Yaboy, you have 12 posts since 12:00A.M. and ten within the last hour. Is the posting limit rule still in effect? Are you upset with me for speaking when spoken to?? 😬🙃 Anyway, much love PR hope all is well. Yes, the posting rules are still in force, at least through the end of the month. Please respect the rules as a result.--AdminAre you guys censoring lively, but respectful debate on a message board? 🙃 Do posters think this is a good rule? 😬
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 13:02:31 GMT -5
No it’s not. The program is everything from the ball boys on up. Can you show an example of someone defining a program as solely the adult decision makers? When a fan says they support the program do you think that only means they support the adults in the room and the players are excluded from that? I think when a fan says they support the program they mean the program but when they say they root for the program I believe they’re talking about the team which is to me the players. I’m not at all trying to double talk you here. We’ve all read the many posters who have said they won’t donate money to the program any longer until changes are made which is obviously their choice. Many of those folks will still root for the program during the season, they’re not letting their feelings about the administration stop them from supporting the team on the court. The answer to your question is sometimes yes. Remember when JT3 was here and many fans hated the PO? Despite this they still rooted for Gtown to do well.. What’s the difference between that and what I’m saying? Do you support or root for e way this administration handles its business? Etomic, I would love to respond but apparently I’m on the verge of being suspended 😉. Either way, it’s always a pleasure discussing things with you and if I end up in Hoyatalk jail for excessive opinion having please send bail money!
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hoopsmccan
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Post by hoopsmccan on May 18, 2022 13:16:53 GMT -5
This is pretty pathetic. hm Why is that pathetic? I was suspended for longer than the quoted suspension period with no notice given by the mod that suspended me. I believe you, hoopsmccann, were one of the people who didn't like some of what I was posting at the time. So why is it now "pathetic" for prhoya to be pointing out a double standard? I like YaBoyNYP, for the record, and appreciate the vast majority of what he posts. It's pathetic because Yabo, Etomic and TC were having a perfectly respectful back and forth. To then jump in to have someone potential suspended is weak, in my view. As for your suspension, I don't know any of the details around it so I won't opine other than to say that I find it extremely likely that I was one of the people that didn't like some of what you were posting but I didn't go running to the moderators to silence you. hm
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on May 18, 2022 13:21:48 GMT -5
How about that roster for next year??
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Post by hoyazeke on May 18, 2022 13:36:28 GMT -5
Being upset about the volume of transfers seems like being angry at a symptom rather than the core problem. Realistically other than Don most of the players who transferred were not good enough for the level we want to be at. Maybe some of them could have been 7th or 8th men on high major tournament teams by their junior or senior years, but talent-wise they were completely fungible. No offense to them personally, I'm sure they are all great guys. But we need better basketball players. Would you rather a ton of departures and a ton of new faces, or would you rather stink again? Because if we brought everybody from the 0-20 squad back there's no way we have a huge turnaround. I think there's some conflating of "I'm upset with the direction of college basketball overall (NIL, transfer portal, no real loyalty to be found)" among long time college basketball fans, and general frustration with the quality of play from Georgetown over the last several years (Ewing era and end of the JT3 era). It's hard to argue with the latter, but the former is outside the control of anyone at Georgetown. And I agree with the idea that everybody will get over the shock and dismay about roster turnover if the team is good. When we were winning the BET in 2021 was any grumbling about how we were doing it with the kid from Sienna who's on his 3rd school or a one year rental from Northwestern State? No. When the team is winning guys start to feel like "part of the family" really quickly. It all really hinges on winning. Is there reason to be skeptical that we WILL win next season? Absolutely. But for right now the leadership isn't going to change, so our best hope is that the new guys we've brought in can bring us back to respectability. If they can't, there will be plenty of time to complain about Ewing, Ronny and DeGioia again in February and March. Great post RB....I also agree that whining and complaining about things that aren't changing between now and at earliest January is pointless. It would be so nice if true GTown fans acted like....I don't know, true GTown fans. Not Ewing haters.
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Post by prhoya on May 18, 2022 13:39:48 GMT -5
Why is that pathetic? I was suspended for longer than the quoted suspension period with no notice given by the mod that suspended me. I believe you, hoopsmccann, were one of the people who didn't like some of what I was posting at the time. So why is it now "pathetic" for prhoya to be pointing out a double standard? I like YaBoyNYP, for the record, and appreciate the vast majority of what he posts. It's pathetic because Yabo, Etomic and TC were having a perfectly respectful back and forth. To then jump in to have someone potential suspended is weak, in my view. As for your suspension, I don't know any of the details around it so I won't opine other than to say that I find it extremely likely that I was one of the people that didn't like some of what you were posting but I didn't go running to the moderators to silence you. hm I didn’t ask for him to be suspended. I asked about the status of the posting limit. Again, I want to answer his posts, but don’t want to disrespect the rules. Back to the current roster? 3rd post of the day
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on May 18, 2022 14:01:23 GMT -5
Loving your team and hating the decision makers is different from saying I don’t support the program. If it wasn’t why would you say “Ewing is making it hard to support the program?” He’s making it hard to support the other decision makers? Correct. I'm a Yankees fan and can't stand Brian Cashman. Try being an Orioles fan lol Y’all are 27-9 right
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Post by iowa80 on May 18, 2022 14:08:21 GMT -5
How about that roster for next year?? Funny you should mention that. Aside from whether any big men step up, I think the usage of Dante and Primo is a serious question. Will they be on the court together for, say, 20 minutes/game? I noted that the main page has Dante as the starting 1 and Primo as the starting 2.
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Post by bigskyhoya on May 18, 2022 14:15:00 GMT -5
Being upset about the volume of transfers seems like being angry at a symptom rather than the core problem. Realistically other than Don most of the players who transferred were not good enough for the level we want to be at. Maybe some of them could have been 7th or 8th men on high major tournament teams by their junior or senior years, but talent-wise they were completely fungible. No offense to them personally, I'm sure they are all great guys. But we need better basketball players. Would you rather a ton of departures and a ton of new faces, or would you rather stink again? Because if we brought everybody from the 0-20 squad back there's no way we have a huge turnaround. I think there's some conflating of "I'm upset with the direction of college basketball overall (NIL, transfer portal, no real loyalty to be found)" among long time college basketball fans, and general frustration with the quality of play from Georgetown over the last several years (Ewing era and end of the JT3 era). It's hard to argue with the latter, but the former is outside the control of anyone at Georgetown. And I agree with the idea that everybody will get over the shock and dismay about roster turnover if the team is good. When we were winning the BET in 2021 was any grumbling about how we were doing it with the kid from Sienna who's on his 3rd school or a one year rental from Northwestern State? No. When the team is winning guys start to feel like "part of the family" really quickly. It all really hinges on winning. Is there reason to be skeptical that we WILL win next season? Absolutely. But for right now the leadership isn't going to change, so our best hope is that the new guys we've brought in can bring us back to respectability. If they can't, there will be plenty of time to complain about Ewing, Ronny and DeGioia again in February and March. Great post RB....I also agree that whining and complaining about things that aren't changing between now and at earliest January is pointless. It would be so nice if true GTown fans acted like....I don't know, true GTown fans. Not Ewing haters. If you are advocating for more respectful dialogue then avoid using words like "Ewing haters." If I need to explain why that is inflammatory and inaccurate with respect to most of the unhappy posters here I will.
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Post by hoyainla on May 18, 2022 14:22:38 GMT -5
I guarantee if Georgetown has a good season next year none of you guys will care one bit these kids are transfers. Kentucky and Duke fans don't seem to find it difficult to support their kids and they basically have a new team every year... I wish we had the fans and more importantly the basketball program oversight those two have. We wouldn't be in this pathetic situation if we did. I think the fans that are still posting here will be happy. There are surely fans that the program has run off with the way things have been run recently that won't know we are doing well and can care less if we are back to being a bubble team. We would have to be Top 10 good to get those back.
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Post by hoyainla on May 18, 2022 14:36:14 GMT -5
I am actually happy that thanks to the recent transfers most people seem to be on the same page that the talent should be good enough now. If the team next year doesn't make the tournament will there be anyone left that thinks Ewing should still have a job? Oh who am I kidding. If you don't fire a coach for going 0-20 then he is here until he wants to leave.
I think the situation with this and many other mentioned fan bases is that there are those fans that think losing to get rid of the actual problem is actually in the best interest of the team. I will gladly be lumped into that group. I don't root against our players and if we win I am happy. The difference is if we lose I am not sad like I was during the good times. While that seems like a great situation, any true sports fan knows that is not the case.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 15:22:46 GMT -5
Well guys since the mods don't want to answer my question, I'm out.
I don't really see the point of being on a message board where people discussing opposing views in an adult manner is not tolerated if it exceeds a certain amount of posts. It's been fun engaging with you guys and I wish you all the best. Take care.
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Post by hoyaroc on May 18, 2022 16:15:20 GMT -5
Well guys since the mods don't want to answer my question, I'm out. I don't really see the point of being on a message board where people discussing opposing views in an adult manner is not tolerated if it exceeds a certain amount of posts. It's been fun engaging with you guys and I wish you all the best. Take care. It’s really sad that you are leaving Hoyatalk due to having opposing views and feeling censored. The Georgetown Men’s Basketball program gets bashed on this thread daily and the season been over months ago. Mods must show fairness and respect opposing views without repercussions.
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