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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 16, 2022 20:01:46 GMT -5
Can Tim get on the ground for a lose ball Watching that very close to where it happened that might have been the most disappointing possession of the night. And that is a lot.
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 16, 2022 20:02:41 GMT -5
Young team that has not played more than 3 games together as a full unit… This just isn’t true. They had the entire preseason together and they were not very good then either. The hope was that they’d get better as the season went on. I get it, we haven’t had a full roster for BE play and we’re missing Carey who when playing well is the best all around player on the team, but I’m sorry, the team should still look somewhat competitive in this games despite all of that and we haven’t. Back to back to back blowout losses is not excused by being a young team. We are just not a good team and I hesitate to even say “right now” because I don’t see us getting significantly better. I don’t know which teams in the BE with a full roster we have a snowball’s chance of beating.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jan 16, 2022 20:10:23 GMT -5
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2022 20:11:45 GMT -5
Young team that has not played more than 3 games together as a full unit… This just isn’t true. They had the entire preseason together and they were not very good then either. The hope was that they’d get better as the season went on. I get it, we haven’t had a full roster for BE play and we’re missing Carey who when playing well is the best all around player on the team, but I’m sorry, the team should still look somewhat competitive in this games despite all of that and we haven’t. Back to back to back blowout losses is not excused by being a young team. We are just not a good team and I hesitate to even say “right now” because I don’t see us getting significantly better. I don’t know which teams in the BE with a full roster we have a snowball’s chance of beating. As the season went on, COVID bug struck big time. Things haven't been the same. We have a young team, where practice and experience are imperative. We missed games too. Dante has been injured. Our team Captain and head coach have missed games. Look how long it took last year's team to finally get their act together for the tournament. We had seniors/veterans on that team. Things take time. Season isn't over until the season is over. Thank goodness the players didn't give up on themselves in today's game. Maybe some fans should take note.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 16, 2022 20:12:55 GMT -5
How about doing some actual coaching instead of tweeting platitudes an hour after the game?
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Post by thedragon on Jan 16, 2022 20:17:11 GMT -5
How about doing some actual coaching instead of tweeting platitudes an hour after the game? Hes out with Covid
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2022 20:19:50 GMT -5
How about doing some actual coaching instead of tweeting platitudes an hour after the game? Sounds like Coach Crouch struck a chord with you, it seems.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 16, 2022 20:25:04 GMT -5
Just lost by 20. I got excited down 7 with the ball. Actually wondering how often that will happen at the under 8 TO.
Seems like enough of an indictment. Nothing to do with the players.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 16, 2022 20:25:34 GMT -5
This is nothing like the year that got JT3 fired. That year included 3 ranked wins, home against Creighton, butler and a neutral court win over an Oregon team that went to the final four. The anger with the program was overstated in relation to the product that was put on the court. The BE is good enough this year that we will have opportunities to get three ranked wins, I’m just not sure this group can do it.
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 16, 2022 20:25:50 GMT -5
This just isn’t true. They had the entire preseason together and they were not very good then either. The hope was that they’d get better as the season went on. I get it, we haven’t had a full roster for BE play and we’re missing Carey who when playing well is the best all around player on the team, but I’m sorry, the team should still look somewhat competitive in this games despite all of that and we haven’t. Back to back to back blowout losses is not excused by being a young team. We are just not a good team and I hesitate to even say “right now” because I don’t see us getting significantly better. I don’t know which teams in the BE with a full roster we have a snowball’s chance of beating. As the season went on, COVID bug struck big time. Things haven't been the same. We have a young team, where practice and experience are imperative. We missed games too. Dante has been injured. Our team Captain and head coach have missed games. Look how long it took last year's team to finally get their act together for the tournament. We had seniors/veterans on that team. Things take time. Season isn't over until the season is over. Thank goodness the players didn't give up on themselves in today's game. Maybe some fans should take note. This year’s team is worse than last years. I don’t foresee a miracle BET run. I appreciate their fight today, they didn’t quit, made a run to try to get back in it, but ultimately the result was the same. At the end of the day, the season will be evaluated based on wins and losses and should we continue to compile losses, what does the roster look like next year?
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 16, 2022 20:26:45 GMT -5
If I harp on the game itself it will just be more of the same. So instead I will yell into the abyss about getting certain guys more minutes. Ryan. He should be playing the bulk of the Center minutes. I know Tim paid his dues behind Q. But his ceiling is simply much lower than Ryan. Ryan is raw - but in a season where any big east win is at a premium - throw him into the fire. It will pay dividends in the future. Kobe Clark. Assuming he comes back from Covid with a still healthy hammy - he should be getting Rice's minutes. He's shown flashes of being able to contribute and any toughness/energy/defensive presence he could bring would be a needed injection. These are both true especially the first. The thing about the second is one of the few ways we can win is Kaiden getting hot. The second half run was mostly just Kaiden making a few shots. I don't think we should be playing for the extra win or two this year. Problem is we have a coach that if he has any self awareness at all has to realize that every win matters this year. Why do you and Boya hate Dante so much? You can't even acknowledge that he was the catalyst of the small run. Kaiden scored off of Dante's pass and Dante had his own mini run. It's just so weird that fandom is broken down into internal camps. I don't remember it being like this on the board prior to MacKinjo....
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2022 20:29:43 GMT -5
As the season went on, COVID bug struck big time. Things haven't been the same. We have a young team, where practice and experience are imperative. We missed games too. Dante has been injured. Our team Captain and head coach have missed games. Look how long it took last year's team to finally get their act together for the tournament. We had seniors/veterans on that team. Things take time. Season isn't over until the season is over. Thank goodness the players didn't give up on themselves in today's game. Maybe some fans should take note. This year’s team is worse than last years. I don’t foresee a miracle BET run. I appreciate their fight today, they didn’t quit, made a run to try to get back in it, but ultimately the result was the same. At the end of the day, the season will be evaluated based on wins and losses and should we continue to compile losses, what does the roster look like next year? What a roster looks like next year is a question, in college basketball's current landscape, that is hard to answer. But next year is next year. We have this year to still play. Just got to keep fighting and work on getting better for the next play, the next game.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 16, 2022 20:31:10 GMT -5
This is nothing like the year that got JT3 fired. That year included 3 ranked wins, home against Creighton, butler and a neutral court win over an Oregon team that went to the final four. The anger with the program was overstated in relation to the product that was put on the court. The BE is good enough this year that we will have opportunities to get three ranked wins, I’m just not sure this group can do it. As I posted on the other thread, this has the potential to get uglier. Things didn't really unravel until Mid-Late Feb, while here we are on Jan 16th with a dozen games or so to go to even get to the point where the JTIII demise began. I never thought Ewing would be one to step away, but I wonder if this team goes like 0-11 or 0-12 if there is no choice but to...
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 16, 2022 20:32:16 GMT -5
This is nothing like the year that got JT3 fired. That year included 3 ranked wins, home against Creighton, butler and a neutral court win over an Oregon team that went to the final four. The anger with the program was overstated in relation to the product that was put on the court. The BE is good enough this year that we will have opportunities to get three ranked wins, I’m just not sure this group can do it. You are being kind. I cannot see a path for 3-5 wins in BE total right now. Nothing to do with the student athletes.
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Post by bluegray79 on Jan 16, 2022 20:35:32 GMT -5
You can calmly make bad passes 😂 Does that then fall under willy, nilly? O.K., this is nuanced so try to stay with me. What I saw tonight was somewhat hopeful to me because most of the play that led to our losing is mostly due to youth & inexperience. Yes, too many turnovers, of course more than anything. What I saw today that I didn't see in Butler and other games we should have been closer in or even won was more playing together as a team, not trying to do it all by yourself, and regathering after plays which to me seemed like calm. They didn't panic. They took a 20-point deficit at 9 minutes left and made it 7 in 4 minutes. Tell me you didn't feel a little hopeful -- despite yourselves -- when that was happening! It's not pretty, no. There's more than enough to point to and gripe about, of course. But when it works, it's pretty sweet. Our team tonight wins by a lot against Butler. There were a bunch of penetrate and dishes that Tim (mostly) had a challenge finishing on, but they had a close in, high percentage shot. I want Tim dunking the ball and drawing fouls on most of those from now on. So, yeah, you can turn the ball over too much and still be playing calmly, or at least not panicking, which is mental toughness that can keep you in a game sometimes. St. John's was the better team and the much more athletic team -- and with 4 minutes left we were still very much in it. Yes, we're in for more anguish and misery from now to March, but I like the steps they took from Butler to today, and I didn't want to see any other game while our Hoyas were on. Let's go.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 16, 2022 20:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 16, 2022 20:43:00 GMT -5
I feel bad that the money I spent on the game tonight at MSG pales in comparison to what some of you folks spend annually on this program. I love the program and will continue to support it but 20057 cares very little about my $.
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Post by saxagael on Jan 16, 2022 20:43:35 GMT -5
As the season went on, COVID bug struck big time. Things haven't been the same. We have a young team, where practice and experience are imperative. We missed games too. Dante has been injured. Our team Captain and head coach have missed games. Look how long it took last year's team to finally get their act together for the tournament. We had seniors/veterans on that team. Things take time. Season isn't over until the season is over. Thank goodness the players didn't give up on themselves in today's game. Maybe some fans should take note. This year’s team is worse than last years. I don’t foresee a miracle BET run. I appreciate their fight today, they didn’t quit, made a run to try to get back in it, but ultimately the result was the same. At the end of the day, the season will be evaluated based on wins and losses and should we continue to compile losses, what does the roster look like next year? Yep, one would think loosing your three top players this team would be the same if not better. This team is young and improving. If you don't listen to the clueless clowns that have not flipping idea about basketball nor how teams grow and change you can actually seem players improving, even as they lose players to injury, illness, even coaches out, and practices and games shut down. So with all of that, they should have improved greatly. Please don't to the hateful tolls that repeatedly prove they have no idea what they are talking about and are determined to prove they have no clue repeatedly. They also want the team and university to be something it isn't.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 16, 2022 20:59:44 GMT -5
These are both true especially the first. The thing about the second is one of the few ways we can win is Kaiden getting hot. The second half run was mostly just Kaiden making a few shots. I don't think we should be playing for the extra win or two this year. Problem is we have a coach that if he has any self awareness at all has to realize that every win matters this year. Why do you and Boya hate Dante so much? You can't even acknowledge that he was the catalyst of the small run. Kaiden scored off of Dante's pass and Dante had his own mini run. It's just so weird that fandom is broken down into internal camps. I don't remember it being like this on the board prior to MacKinjo.... What you quoted has nothing to do with Dante but I’ll answer anyways. I don’t hate Dante. How I get lumped in with hoyaboya is not being fair. While I think he does know what he’s talking about on some things he goes overboard harping on Dante. As for my opinion on Dante I stated before the season I thought he was the only PG on a he team. I even said I would still start him over Beard but Beard is closing the gap. I don’t think Dante is the answer but he’s our answer for now. He’s not a good shooter and doesn’t run the offense well enough for us to be at the level where I’d like us to be. He had a few good Big East Tournament games and that is all some people judge him on. One of those games was against a walk on level player so forgive me if I’m not giving him a ton of credit for that. Dante would be a good backup PG on a great team. What he’s not is a primary option type player on a good team. If that is what you consider hate I’m sorry. I think it’s a pretty fair assessment based on what he’s done so far. It’s not like he was supposed to be that level of player. He is definitely better than his ranking coming in and we are lucky to have him. As for the run Rice scored 8 of the points. If he doesn’t make the shots there is no run. Dante played well during that spurt but it was Rice actually hitting shots that was the difference to the rest of the game.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 16, 2022 21:02:56 GMT -5
Does that then fall under willy, nilly? O.K., this is nuanced so try to stay with me. What I saw tonight was somewhat hopeful to me because most of the play that led to our losing is mostly due to youth & inexperience. Yes, too many turnovers, of course more than anything. What I saw today that I didn't see in Butler and other games we should have been closer in or even won was more playing together as a team, not trying to do it all by yourself, and regathering after plays which to me seemed like calm. They didn't panic. They took a 20-point deficit at 9 minutes left and made it 7 in 4 minutes. Tell me you didn't feel a little hopeful -- despite yourselves -- when that was happening! It's not pretty, no. There's more than enough to point to and gripe about, of course. But when it works, it's pretty sweet. Our team tonight wins by a lot against Butler. There were a bunch of penetrate and dishes that Tim (mostly) had a challenge finishing on, but they had a close in, high percentage shot. I want Tim dunking the ball and drawing fouls on most of those from now on. So, yeah, you can turn the ball over too much and still be playing calmly, or at least not panicking, which is mental toughness that can keep you in a game sometimes. St. John's was the better team and the much more athletic team -- and with 4 minutes left we were still very much in it. Yes, we're in for more anguish and misery from now to March, but I like the steps they took from Butler to today, and I didn't want to see any other game while our Hoyas were on. Let's go. When you are letting balls go through your hands and getting them poked away from behind that is not mental toughness to me. I don’t think we played well enough to beat Butler tonight but if you are satisfied with the performance you are at a better place with it all than I am.
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