saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Jan 16, 2022 19:04:04 GMT -5
Is losing by 20 to St. Johns now a moral victory? Is that how far we have fallen? No, but they did not quit. That’s something, and I mean it. We have problems, but quitting doesn’t seem to be one of them. I wonder if Coach Orr is a positive influence. Orr and Ewing seem like Ying and Yang with Orr being the calm and reassuring and Ewing being the loud barking get this done now. It is good cop bad cop. They have really good skills coaching on top of these who which has been a really frustrating gap in prior Hoya coaching groups. Good players would come in with good skills only to watch them deteriorate. It has been really nice seeing players skills and understanding improve quite a bit over a season and career.
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Post by thedragon on Jan 16, 2022 19:07:55 GMT -5
If I harp on the game itself it will just be more of the same. So instead I will yell into the abyss about getting certain guys more minutes.
Ryan. He should be playing the bulk of the Center minutes. I know Tim paid his dues behind Q. But his ceiling is simply much lower than Ryan. Ryan is raw - but in a season where any big east win is at a premium - throw him into the fire. It will pay dividends in the future.
Kobe Clark. Assuming he comes back from Covid with a still healthy hammy - he should be getting Rice's minutes. He's shown flashes of being able to contribute and any toughness/energy/defensive presence he could bring would be a needed injection.
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 16, 2022 19:08:05 GMT -5
Hoya nation it’s frustrating to watch our guys get beat. But we must stay positive for the sake of our young guys. We all knew this will be a tough season for our Hoyas. Keep rooting let’s go Hoyas….
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 16, 2022 19:09:54 GMT -5
Excuse me but let me make this clear I am not ashamed at all and please Shut Up about telling me how I should be a fan. This is the way it has always been. Mac had vision problems when he had a bad game but was perfectly fine until he had another bad game. Dante is hurt until he isn't. The list goes on and on. I am not saying the players are faking injuries. I am saying the fans are creating injuries or making a big deal out of a normal knock to make excuses for our poor performance. The excuses have gotten old. We have a fan base that refuses to acknowledge reality. You’ve got anger problems my friend. You’re no longer a fan. You are just a constantly complaining malcontent who finds no joy in any aspect of the team. No one on here is happy with what is going on with the team but the repetitive harping on the same things over and over again whether it’s in context or not is tiresome. I mean enough. Can you find anything constructive? Or if not maybe you should just take a break and only root for the soccer team. You’re embarrassing yourself. There you go again trying to tell people how to be a fan. I guess you missed my post early where I said we were doing the little things early and it was an encouraging start. There may be some guys on here that only post negative but that isn't me. If you follow my posts you will see that I know what I am talking about whether good or bad. I am sorry I am not the type of fan you like but saying I have an anger problem is something you should be ashamed of. Maybe you should find another message board to post on.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2022 19:11:53 GMT -5
If I harp on the game itself it will just be more of the same. So instead I will yell into the abyss about getting certain guys more minutes. Ryan. He should be playing the bulk of the Center minutes. I know Tim paid his dues behind Q. But his ceiling is simply much lower than Ryan. Ryan is raw - but in a season where any big east win is at a premium - throw him into the fire. It will pay dividends in the future. Kobe Clark. Assuming he comes back from Covid with a still healthy hammy - he should be getting Rice's minutes. He's shown flashes of being able to contribute and any toughness/energy/defensive presence he could bring would be a needed injection. Ryan is raw too and is flawed like the others. Tim is a big body and moves better. But all 3 of our bigs have issues defensively. Ryan has the most problem with lateral movement, but they all "play small" for their size. There isn't much fear going inside against us. Kobe has too small of a sample size to know exactly what he would give us at this point. Replacing the Rice wouldn't be the answer though.
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 16, 2022 19:12:34 GMT -5
If I harp on the game itself it will just be more of the same. So instead I will yell into the abyss about getting certain guys more minutes. Ryan. He should be playing the bulk of the Center minutes. I know Tim paid his dues behind Q. But his ceiling is simply much lower than Ryan. Ryan is raw - but in a season where any big east win is at a premium - throw him into the fire. It will pay dividends in the future. Kobe Clark. Assuming he comes back from Covid with a still healthy hammy - he should be getting Rice's minutes. He's shown flashes of being able to contribute and any toughness/energy/defensive presence he could bring would be a needed injection. I definitely agree that Clark needs to eat some of Rice’s minutes but we don’t have a whole lot of offensive weapons and we definitely don’t have enough 3 point shooting, especially with Don out so until he comes back, we have to rely heavily on Rice shooting the basketball. I thought he made some better decisions to drive the basketball instead of launching an off balance 3 but we’re just so bad on both sides of the ball right now.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 16, 2022 19:14:20 GMT -5
If I harp on the game itself it will just be more of the same. So instead I will yell into the abyss about getting certain guys more minutes. Ryan. He should be playing the bulk of the Center minutes. I know Tim paid his dues behind Q. But his ceiling is simply much lower than Ryan. Ryan is raw - but in a season where any big east win is at a premium - throw him into the fire. It will pay dividends in the future. Kobe Clark. Assuming he comes back from Covid with a still healthy hammy - he should be getting Rice's minutes. He's shown flashes of being able to contribute and any toughness/energy/defensive presence he could bring would be a needed injection. These are both true especially the first. The thing about the second is one of the few ways we can win is Kaiden getting hot. The second half run was mostly just Kaiden making a few shots. I don't think we should be playing for the extra win or two this year. Problem is we have a coach that if he has any self awareness at all has to realize that every win matters this year.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Jan 16, 2022 19:14:55 GMT -5
You’ve got anger problems my friend. You’re no longer a fan. You are just a constantly complaining malcontent who finds no joy in any aspect of the team. No one on here is happy with what is going on with the team but the repetitive harping on the same things over and over again whether it’s in context or not is tiresome. I mean enough. Can you find anything constructive? Or if not maybe you should just take a break and only root for the soccer team. You’re embarrassing yourself. There you go again trying to tell people how to be a fan. I guess you missed my post early where I said we were doing the little things early and it was an encouraging start. There may be some guys on here that only post negative but that isn't me. If you follow my posts you will see that I know what I am talking about whether good or bad. I am sorry I am not the type of fan you like but saying I have an anger problem is something you should be ashamed of. Maybe you should find another message board to post on. Whatever my friend. You do your thing if it makes you happy. I would ask that you refrain from accusing players of faking injuries in the future. I have been on this board since 1995 and would never support my team that way.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Jan 16, 2022 19:17:49 GMT -5
If I harp on the game itself it will just be more of the same. So instead I will yell into the abyss about getting certain guys more minutes. Ryan. He should be playing the bulk of the Center minutes. I know Tim paid his dues behind Q. But his ceiling is simply much lower than Ryan. Ryan is raw - but in a season where any big east win is at a premium - throw him into the fire. It will pay dividends in the future. Kobe Clark. Assuming he comes back from Covid with a still healthy hammy - he should be getting Rice's minutes. He's shown flashes of being able to contribute and any toughness/energy/defensive presence he could bring would be a needed injection. I definitely agree that Clark needs to eat some of Rice’s minutes but we don’t have a whole lot of offensive weapons and we definitely don’t have enough 3 point shooting, especially with Don out so until he comes back, we have to rely heavily on Rice shooting the basketball. I thought he made some better decisions to drive the basketball instead of launching an off balance 3 but we’re just so bad on both sides of the ball right now. Rice is getting covered well with Don out. Don coming back and playing like he has will make the good defensive attention on Rice get spread out. Rice when covered normally and there are others who can shoot from outside should help Rices shooting. Clark, so far, doesn't seem to have the ability to shoot well like Rice does when there is a full compliment of teammates out there.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 16, 2022 19:18:02 GMT -5
No, but they did not quit. That’s something, and I mean it. We have problems, but quitting doesn’t seem to be one of them. I wonder if Coach Orr is a positive influence. Orr and Ewing seem like Ying and Yang with Orr being the calm and reassuring and Ewing being the loud barking get this done now. It is good cop bad cop. They have really good skills coaching on top of these who which has been a really frustrating gap in prior Hoya coaching groups. Good players ainly would come in with good skills only to watch them deteriorate. It has been really nice seeing players skills and understanding improve quite a bit over a season and career. Agreed. I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, but sometimes I wonder if Pat—not necessarily through any fault of his own—comes across as intimidating to 19 year olds. This seems different than Orr.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 16, 2022 19:19:14 GMT -5
He was in earlier in the game. His inside positioning needs work on defense, but covers well going out. Not really clear when he plays and doesn't. The team closes gaps and stretches leads when he is in. Barring yet another mass exodus Ryan is the future. His upside is much higher than either Tim or Wilson and i would rather play the kids with the highest upside and lose by 25 than sit them and lose by 20. ^this^ The future isn't Malcolm,Tim or Kaiden. If we are going to be good next year it will depend on the development of Ryan, Jalin, Tyler, Dante, Jordan and Aminu. The Aminu has played the last 2wks we may get a 2nd year.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 16, 2022 19:23:45 GMT -5
I would like to see more of Ryan, too. He seems to me like a player with some serious long-term upside. I think he looks more comfortable offensively, and it would be nice to see him get more time out there. Of course he has flaws, but I think he has much greater potential.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2022 19:24:00 GMT -5
Orr and Ewing seem like Ying and Yang with Orr being the calm and reassuring and Ewing being the loud barking get this done now. It is good cop bad cop. They have really good skills coaching on top of these who which has been a really frustrating gap in prior Hoya coaching groups. Good players ainly would come in with good skills only to watch them deteriorate. It has been really nice seeing players skills and understanding improve quite a bit over a season and career. Agreed. I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, but sometimes I wonder if Pat—not necessarily through any fault of his own—comes across as intimidating to 19 year olds. This seems different than Orr. Ewing is good with players, but as the head coach, you still have to get on your players. Still not a comparison to how JT2 was back in the day. lol Orr is probably the explainer of what went wrong or how things should go. Like Riley and Esh were for Pops back in the day.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 16, 2022 19:28:01 GMT -5
It just seems silly at this point to analyze things like Ryan's minutes, Carey's potential impact, or Harris' injury. We all know the the team is going nowhere this year, and honestly the prospects for next year aren't much better. Honestly, if the change happens we all are hoping for, it's all a moot point anyway. Look at Marquette's overhaul when Smart came in, or even Stubblefield at DePaul. The roster, style of play, minute allocations, etc. from the season prior are all rendered pointless once a change happens.
I get wanting to support the current team and staff, and rooting for the Hoyas to win every game they play, but if you vested in the long-term success of this program, the majority of the focus should be on voicing your opinion on your dissatisfaction with the current direction of the program. Rooting for the team but making it known you are unhappy with the product are not mutually exclusive ideas. Otherwise, your silence is viewed as tacit approval that this program is healthy and just going through a rough patch, but things will eventually get better. I personally can't stand for that, as it just ensures more time will pass until we are relevant again.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 16, 2022 19:28:31 GMT -5
There you go again trying to tell people how to be a fan. I guess you missed my post early where I said we were doing the little things early and it was an encouraging start. There may be some guys on here that only post negative but that isn't me. If you follow my posts you will see that I know what I am talking about whether good or bad. I am sorry I am not the type of fan you like but saying I have an anger problem is something you should be ashamed of. Maybe you should find another message board to post on. Whatever my friend. You do your thing if it makes you happy. I would ask that you refrain from accusing players of faking injuries in the future. I have been on this board since 1995 and would never support my team that way. Do you know how to read? For the second time I never accused players of faking injuries. I accused fans of making up injuries to excuse players bad performance. If you don't know the difference I can't help you.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Jan 16, 2022 19:35:20 GMT -5
Whatever my friend. You do your thing if it makes you happy. I would ask that you refrain from accusing players of faking injuries in the future. I have been on this board since 1995 and would never support my team that way. Do you know how to read? For the second time I never accused players of faking injuries. I accused fans of making up injuries to excuse players bad performance. If you don't know the difference I can't help you. Oh I see. Posters making up injuries. Makes sense.
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Post by tupac on Jan 16, 2022 19:36:48 GMT -5
Young team that has not played more than 3 games together as a full unit…
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 16, 2022 19:47:27 GMT -5
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Jan 16, 2022 19:49:53 GMT -5
Agreed. I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, but sometimes I wonder if Pat—not necessarily through any fault of his own—comes across as intimidating to 19 year olds. This seems different than Orr. Ewing is good with players, but as the head coach, you still have to get on your players. Still not a comparison to how JT2 was back in the day. lol Orr is probably the explainer of what went wrong or how things should go. Like Riley and Esh were for Pops back in the day. JT2 certainly used all of his words at all times with his players. I was in shock the first time I heard JT2 rip into players as they were on the court (when I was in grad school) with "Jahidi! Move your fat f*****g a** down the g** d** f*****g floor! Then it was on to Don Reid and Jerome Williams. The sideline conversations were just as colorful. But, most of the time the players acknowledged the calls from coach and made the changes, when they could. But JT2 also was quick to praise and call out great plays, "Don, that is how you f*****g do it! Keep it up!". The same pattern comes from Ewing, but isn't yelling all his words out to players on the court. Undergrad I was close to the basketball team as our team shared weight room and dining hall times with them. Out of season when their coach wasn't allowed to be in the gym and their manager wasn't around I'd run their drills for them and with them. Their coach had some killer drills, but was far more quiet during games. The team made it to the dance the year after I graduated. It took the team 3 years to come together and get to the dance for the first time in decades. They went through a coaching change as the prior coach was hired away and picked up a very similar coach.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Jan 16, 2022 19:52:50 GMT -5
A huge fan of Coach Crouch! Great with playing skills and strength and conditioning, but also how they need to prepare mentally.
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