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Post by hoyainla on May 3, 2022 13:57:17 GMT -5
To be fair, determining bright line rules for this would be difficult, if not impossible. For example, let's say Nigel Pack appears on a billboard in Coral Gardens advertising Life Wallet. Is that really worth $800k? Probably not, and most of us would say that even if Pack does some promotion for Life Wallet, the true motivation of the payment is that Ruiz wants the U to have a really good point guard. But is the NCAA really going to be able to determine what fair market value is for Nigel Pack's image? How do you even begin to create an objective rubric for determining mens rea? This is the part that people seem not to get. You can't put a price on branding no matter how hard Darren Rovell tries. Life Wallet has paid out a ton but it could easily be argued they have got much more in exposure even for the Pack deal. Is Pack going to do $800k worth of advertising himself for them? Of course not. Is every major news outlet talking about the deal worth more than $800k? Probably. If I were running a marketing budget right now you better believe I would overpay a high profile athlete at a big school just for the coverage it would get. I do agree every deal should be made public since they are all disguised as advertising deals this shouldn't be an issue. Will that ever happen? Since this is the NCAA we are talking about probably not. As for the Georgetown part of this people are just making excuses for incompetency once again. Creighton is killing it in NIL and if you believe reports just beat out Kansas and Kentucky in a NIL recruitment. Like Nova puts an end to all the "small Jesuit schools can't have big time college basketball team" excuses, Creighton is killing the "small alumni basketball only schools can't compete in NIL" excuses. |
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Post by SDHoya on May 3, 2022 14:31:56 GMT -5
To be fair, determining bright line rules for this would be difficult, if not impossible. For example, let's say Nigel Pack appears on a billboard in Coral Gardens advertising Life Wallet. Is that really worth $800k? Probably not, and most of us would say that even if Pack does some promotion for Life Wallet, the true motivation of the payment is that Ruiz wants the U to have a really good point guard. But is the NCAA really going to be able to determine what fair market value is for Nigel Pack's image? How do you even begin to create an objective rubric for determining mens rea? This is the part that people seem not to get. You can't put a price on branding no matter how hard Darren Rovell tries. Life Wallet has paid out a ton but it could easily be argued they have got much more in exposure even for the Pack deal. Is Pack going to do $800k worth of advertising himself for them? Of course not. Is every major news outlet talking about the deal worth more than $800k? Probably. If I were running a marketing budget right now you better believe I would overpay a high profile athlete at a big school just for the coverage it would get. I do agree every deal should be made public since they are all disguised as advertising deals this shouldn't be an issue. Will that ever happen? Since this is the NCAA we are talking about probably not. As for the Georgetown part of this people are just making excuses for incompetency once again. Creighton is killing it in NIL and if you believe reports just beat out Kansas and Kentucky in a NIL recruitment. Like Nova puts an end to all the "small Jesuit schools can't have big time college basketball team" excuses, Creighton is killing the "small alumni basketball only schools can't compete in NIL" excuses. Creighton and Georgetown are not analogous in this instance. Omaha is actually a decent sized city/metro area, but has no professional sports. So while Creighton may be a small-ish Catholic school, it IS the big sports team in Omaha. They sell out their NBA sized arena pretty much every game, and alums and non-alums are big into Jay's basketball, in the same way Huskers football is the gridiron team for Nebraskans, alum or not. NIL might actually work as intended in Creighton, where players could be big enough local celebrities to get good faith deals to endorse companies/products. They also almost certainly have a base of rich boosters who want Omaha to punch above its weight on the national sports scene. Hoyas basketball, even if Nova level good, would still be behind at least the WFT/Commanders, Wiz, Caps, Nats. Might also be behind DC United. Extended to the DMV, we'd also be behind the O's and Ravens. And UMD has a much bigger local alumni base, probably VT and UVA too. Plus, DC is a much more transitory city than a place like Omaha, so its much less likely that local non-alums will adopt Hoyas basketball as their team. GU neither has a substantial local alumni base, nor is it the big fish in town. And while GU certainly has rich alums, we don't have an active group of rich boosters willing to throw absurd money like at Miami. As I see it, the only hope for GU to compete on NIL with big state schools and biggest game in town small town schools, is for Nike/Jordan Brand to choose Georgetown as its showpiece brand and fund the NIL money themselves. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 3, 2022 14:36:20 GMT -5
NIL might actually work as intended in Creighton, where players could be big enough local celebrities to get good faith deals to endorse companies/products. They also almost certainly have a base of rich boosters who want Omaha to punch above its weight on the national sports scene. Hoyas basketball, even if Nova level good, would still be behind at least the WFT/Commanders, Wiz, Caps, Nats. Might also be behind DC United. Extended to the DMV, we'd also be behind the O's and Ravens. And UMD has a much bigger local alumni base, probably VT and UVA too. Plus, DC is a much more transitory city than a place like Omaha, so its much less likely that local non-alums will adopt Hoyas basketball as their team. GU neither has a substantial local alumni base, nor is it the big fish in town. And while GU certainly has rich alums, we don't have an active group of rich boosters willing to throw absurd money like at Miami. As I see it, the only hope for GU to compete on NIL with big state schools and biggest game in town small town schools, is for Nike/Jordan Brand to choose Georgetown as its showpiece brand and fund the NIL money themselves. While you have a point that Creighton is a bigger deal in Omaha than Georgetown is in DC, NIL is still not working as intended there or anywhere where the amounts of money are huge. There are a handful of kids who likely could get major NIL deals simply because they are really good players and future stars. This is likely more so in football than basketball, but true in both. When you get below the elite level, the NIL packages are truly just talent acquisition fees paid by alumni and boosters. It bears little direct correlation to compensation for name, image, or likeness. It's a set of funds intended to make a kid come to your university or college. That's why NIL is a farce, and will continue to be one. Does anybody really think that had Ward committed to Georgetown, he would have brought $200,000 in value solely on his endorsements and/or local commercials, when 99% of the viewing public would have no idea who he even was? |
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Post by prhoya on May 3, 2022 14:38:10 GMT -5
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Post by SDHoya on May 3, 2022 14:51:52 GMT -5
NIL might actually work as intended in Creighton, where players could be big enough local celebrities to get good faith deals to endorse companies/products. They also almost certainly have a base of rich boosters who want Omaha to punch above its weight on the national sports scene. Hoyas basketball, even if Nova level good, would still be behind at least the WFT/Commanders, Wiz, Caps, Nats. Might also be behind DC United. Extended to the DMV, we'd also be behind the O's and Ravens. And UMD has a much bigger local alumni base, probably VT and UVA too. Plus, DC is a much more transitory city than a place like Omaha, so its much less likely that local non-alums will adopt Hoyas basketball as their team. GU neither has a substantial local alumni base, nor is it the big fish in town. And while GU certainly has rich alums, we don't have an active group of rich boosters willing to throw absurd money like at Miami. As I see it, the only hope for GU to compete on NIL with big state schools and biggest game in town small town schools, is for Nike/Jordan Brand to choose Georgetown as its showpiece brand and fund the NIL money themselves. While you have a point that Creighton is a bigger deal in Omaha than Georgetown is in DC, NIL is still not working as intended there or anywhere where the amounts of money are huge. There are a handful of kids who likely could get major NIL deals simply because they are really good players and future stars. This is likely more so in football than basketball, but true in both. When you get below the elite level, the NIL packages are truly just talent acquisition fees paid by alumni and boosters. It bears little direct correlation to compensation for name, image, or likeness. It's a set of funds intended to make a kid come to your university or college. That's why NIL is a farce, and will continue to be one. Does anybody really think that had Ward committed to Georgetown, he would have brought $200,000 in value solely on his endorsements and/or local commercials, when 99% of the viewing public would have no idea who he even was? Agreed. My point was really that GU has neither the "big fish small pond" advantage (which might actually create an opportunity for real NIL deals), nor the big circle of super active rich boosters who will readily fabricate "NIL deals" which are in reality just pay for play. Creighton certainly has the first advantage, and likely has the second--and Creighton's big boosters won't be distracted by football. Georgetown has neither advantage. GU "creating an NIL program" is not as straightforward as some people would have it seem--and perhaps not even desirable to those in administration who see GU as an elite academic institution first and foremost. |
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Post by hoyaguy on May 3, 2022 15:55:02 GMT -5
Let's unpack this. There are ~480,000 college athletes out there. Not all have a scholarship--most do not. At Georgetown, 85 percent of student-athletes are not on athletic scholarship. Some schools make a lot of money off some teams. Most do not. And hard as it is for some to comprehend, Georgetown does not make money off athletics and, as of late, does not make money on men's basketball because of the budget secured by the basketball office each year. Next, Why are tuition rates "stupid"? The same parents that want low tuition rates also want the newest dorms, the best professors, the most largesse on financial aid. That comes with a cost. Tuition and fees at Georgetown were a combined $838 million last year across all schools, less $209 million for financial aid, for $629 million. Salaries across the University were $772 million, of which academic and research FTE's accounted for $695 million of it. In short, net tuition ($629M) does not even cover the cost of faculty and academic support ($695M) that supports a school of this size and stature. So unless you want a) far more students paying to cover costs, b) fewer faculty and less student support, c) little or no financial aid, or d) all of the above, tuition reflects the market demand for what people expect out of the University at its size and reputational niche. I have a plan to save Georgetown almost $16M over the next four years. Also, I've looked at Georgetown's basketball budget in the past -- if I recall, it magically breaks even every year. Even with Ewing's non-market compensation package, there's no way that you can convince anyone that Georgetown doesn't come out ahead with men's basketball. If they don't, it's just more mismanagement. There's solid TV money coming in, there has been -- until next year -- decent cash flow from season tickets, and a few large national sponsors, plus Jordan/Nike. I wouldn't put it past DeGioia and crew, but I don't think the lease is a killer -- if you haven't been to games recently, there is a skeleton crew of workers there. Also, let's not get started on another DeGioia/Georgetown problem -- we have a third rate endowment compared to peer top twenty five universities which limits the universities ability to offset financial aid, bringing in top academics, starting new programs etc. Tuition rates are "stupid" because so many students do not pay the advertised rate. There's means testing and academic scholarship -- all of which I think is a great idea. Depending on what your parents' income is, however, your tuition could be $61,872 this year ... and that's before room and board. That is a stupid number for most families earning under $500K/year but more than $100K. Getting back tot he topic at hand, I hope some young smart person starts a Hoya Collective specifically focused on Men's Basketball but that can eventually branch out to organize NIL activities for other Georgetown athletes. I think there are a lot of Hoya owned/run businesses in DC and beyond that would be interested in relatively small marketing activities -- a social media post, an appearance, an online ad -- that in the aggregate could add up to real $$$ for our athletes -- at least the stars. Would a Hoya alum pay $2000 to have Don Carey come by his kid's birthday party and shoot hoops for an hour? How about $5K to get half the team at corporate shootaround? I don't know what sort of $200K Ewing and Co. may have cobbled together for Ward ... but given how the university and basketball program have failed for five years straight, I'm hoping an alumni with some sports and marketing skills can make a nice business and help the program. Just as a response to both I am not only talking about Georgetown (who is an outlier in many ways and part of a fraction of a fraction of schools that meet need), most colleges like state schools just don't do that but still rocket the costs and any denial of this insane inflation is just ignoring the facts (In state tuition in the last 20 years has almost tripled for context) and ignoring about 1.7 trillion in loans that they just saddle students with. While this is only one facet of operating costs, the amount of adjuncts at most universities has only increased at incredible rates with many getting paid less than someone working 40 hours a week (with a few weeks of vacation) at minimum wage in DC and most minimum wages have not kept up with the times at all so that labor is something that has only gotten cheaper (I don't want to get into an argument about the specific budget of any university but these are some of the obvious things that detract from any justification of doubling or even tripling tuition in a very small window and Georgetown is a weird case in general financially but these ideas are very applicable to many schools). So they're ramping up tuition, but severely underpaying the educators and laborers hence "stupid tuition rates". The reason I bring it up is because people who did not want NIL point to the inflated cost to attend college in this country and say that is so much money for the student that isn't actually money when it is simply another part of the whole college money making scheme. And while I accept we will never be very good at NIL especially under the current administration in the program and school at large, that is no excuse to bury their heads in the sand and expect everything to be ok and continue to ignore major shifts in the game. It is fair to say even when great we may not be the number 1 thing in DC like Creighton is in Omaha but that is still not a valid excuse to drag our feet and blatantly be unenthusiastic about it which only hurts an already wounded program and that attitude is not helpful to the other sports who actually have their sh*t together And to DFW, correct me if I am wrong, but I follow your first paragraph of thinking as if just because Gtown or other other schools don't turn a profit or make a lot of money, then the student athlete shouldn't really get to make money themselves. I am sorry if I misunderstood, but if not then I just plainly disagree with the idea of stopping adult student athletes from making money off of their own names and abilities while in college even if the certain college mismanages a major sport to the extent of being in the red cough cough. The students you mention who are not on scholarship just further justifies NIL as then they can maybe get some money while living a very busy and stressful life. And NIL should've happened awhile back especially when the NCAA started helping make video games using the students like what the actual F was that? And yeah the number of student athletes you pulled includes Division 3 which is kind of irrelevant due to no scholarships (but they are allowed NIL which is good). What is more relevant is the 175,000 D1 and D2 athletes that have received scholarship money (in 2017 was the quickest google result). And many of those deserve actually money especially since most will not turn pro and some will end up with life long injuries and damage. And while some schools may not profit or profit massively, having decent school sports is powerful marketing tool for luring high schoolers to apply and attend. |
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Post by hoyainla on May 3, 2022 16:51:40 GMT -5
This is the part that people seem not to get. You can't put a price on branding no matter how hard Darren Rovell tries. Life Wallet has paid out a ton but it could easily be argued they have got much more in exposure even for the Pack deal. Is Pack going to do $800k worth of advertising himself for them? Of course not. Is every major news outlet talking about the deal worth more than $800k? Probably. If I were running a marketing budget right now you better believe I would overpay a high profile athlete at a big school just for the coverage it would get. I do agree every deal should be made public since they are all disguised as advertising deals this shouldn't be an issue. Will that ever happen? Since this is the NCAA we are talking about probably not. As for the Georgetown part of this people are just making excuses for incompetency once again. Creighton is killing it in NIL and if you believe reports just beat out Kansas and Kentucky in a NIL recruitment. Like Nova puts an end to all the "small Jesuit schools can't have big time college basketball team" excuses, Creighton is killing the "small alumni basketball only schools can't compete in NIL" excuses. Creighton and Georgetown are not analogous in this instance. Omaha is actually a decent sized city/metro area, but has no professional sports. So while Creighton may be a small-ish Catholic school, it IS the big sports team in Omaha. They sell out their NBA sized arena pretty much every game, and alums and non-alums are big into Jay's basketball, in the same way Huskers football is the gridiron team for Nebraskans, alum or not. NIL might actually work as intended in Creighton, where players could be big enough local celebrities to get good faith deals to endorse companies/products. They also almost certainly have a base of rich boosters who want Omaha to punch above its weight on the national sports scene. Hoyas basketball, even if Nova level good, would still be behind at least the WFT/Commanders, Wiz, Caps, Nats. Might also be behind DC United. Extended to the DMV, we'd also be behind the O's and Ravens. And UMD has a much bigger local alumni base, probably VT and UVA too. Plus, DC is a much more transitory city than a place like Omaha, so its much less likely that local non-alums will adopt Hoyas basketball as their team. GU neither has a substantial local alumni base, nor is it the big fish in town. And while GU certainly has rich alums, we don't have an active group of rich boosters willing to throw absurd money like at Miami. As I see it, the only hope for GU to compete on NIL with big state schools and biggest game in town small town schools, is for Nike/Jordan Brand to choose Georgetown as its showpiece brand and fund the NIL money themselves. This is fine and all but you need a handful of fans to make a NIL program for a basketball team to work. We have more than enough of an alumni base to make it work. The program has lost the fanbase to the level needed to get people to want to be involved at all. As I mentioned before Ewing should be able to call in enough favors to make it work even if they aren't fans. He's one of the most famous basketball players in the world. |
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Post by hoyainla on May 3, 2022 16:56:54 GMT -5
NIL might actually work as intended in Creighton, where players could be big enough local celebrities to get good faith deals to endorse companies/products. They also almost certainly have a base of rich boosters who want Omaha to punch above its weight on the national sports scene. Hoyas basketball, even if Nova level good, would still be behind at least the WFT/Commanders, Wiz, Caps, Nats. Might also be behind DC United. Extended to the DMV, we'd also be behind the O's and Ravens. And UMD has a much bigger local alumni base, probably VT and UVA too. Plus, DC is a much more transitory city than a place like Omaha, so its much less likely that local non-alums will adopt Hoyas basketball as their team. GU neither has a substantial local alumni base, nor is it the big fish in town. And while GU certainly has rich alums, we don't have an active group of rich boosters willing to throw absurd money like at Miami. As I see it, the only hope for GU to compete on NIL with big state schools and biggest game in town small town schools, is for Nike/Jordan Brand to choose Georgetown as its showpiece brand and fund the NIL money themselves. While you have a point that Creighton is a bigger deal in Omaha than Georgetown is in DC, NIL is still not working as intended there or anywhere where the amounts of money are huge. There are a handful of kids who likely could get major NIL deals simply because they are really good players and future stars. This is likely more so in football than basketball, but true in both. When you get below the elite level, the NIL packages are truly just talent acquisition fees paid by alumni and boosters. It bears little direct correlation to compensation for name, image, or likeness. It's a set of funds intended to make a kid come to your university or college. That's why NIL is a farce, and will continue to be one. Does anybody really think that had Ward committed to Georgetown, he would have brought $200,000 in value solely on his endorsements and/or local commercials, when 99% of the viewing public would have no idea who he even was? I agree with your first part but disagree with your last sentence. If the story everywhere was "Company X" brought Ward to Georgetown and Patrick Ewing it would have been all over the place life Life Wallet is attached to every big Miami NIL deal. Don't think of it was the player doing ads or appearances but the exposure the company gets being attached to the deal. $200k is a drop in the bucket compared to the company's name being all over ESPN talk shows, message boards etc. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 3, 2022 18:02:20 GMT -5
While you have a point that Creighton is a bigger deal in Omaha than Georgetown is in DC, NIL is still not working as intended there or anywhere where the amounts of money are huge. There are a handful of kids who likely could get major NIL deals simply because they are really good players and future stars. This is likely more so in football than basketball, but true in both. When you get below the elite level, the NIL packages are truly just talent acquisition fees paid by alumni and boosters. It bears little direct correlation to compensation for name, image, or likeness. It's a set of funds intended to make a kid come to your university or college. That's why NIL is a farce, and will continue to be one. Does anybody really think that had Ward committed to Georgetown, he would have brought $200,000 in value solely on his endorsements and/or local commercials, when 99% of the viewing public would have no idea who he even was? I agree with your first part but disagree with your last sentence. If the story everywhere was "Company X" brought Ward to Georgetown and Patrick Ewing it would have been all over the place life Life Wallet is attached to every big Miami NIL deal. Don't think of it was the player doing ads or appearances but the exposure the company gets being attached to the deal. $200k is a drop in the bucket compared to the company's name being all over ESPN talk shows, message boards etc. Could be. I see your point. I think where we differ is that I do not think that for someone like Ward that $200,000 is a drop in the bucket. That's actually a lot of advertising/marketing money especially for a company that's not that large. I could very well be wrong, I just don't think it's that much exposure. Tons of kids are getting NIL deals. Would Ward getting a deal if he had come to Georgetown really gotten the company all that much exposure? Maybe, if they are a constant presence during the season, etc. Or if Ward could wear a Life Wallet patch on his uniform or something like that. But, barring that direct exposure, I just don't think it's worth that much. Keep in mind the main benefit to exposure is to raise awareness of a company among people who don't know about it, or alternatively, to sell a product from the company even if you know it exists. I just fail to see how Ward would drive $200,000 in sales of anything to make it worthwhile, unless, as I said, there would be continued exposure I am not aware of. But, it's not the sort of situation where ESPN/Fox Sports are going to continually talk about these guys NIL deals. In fact, at least during games, they probably cannot, otherwise those networks would get in trouble with their own advertisers. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 3, 2022 18:03:58 GMT -5
This is the year to buy yourself a NCAA champion level team. The details on NIL are confusing so there will be no harsh penalties assessed. LSU, Miami, Creighton and others get it.
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Post by miracles87 on May 3, 2022 19:07:54 GMT -5
I have a plan to save Georgetown almost $16M over the next four years. Also, I've looked at Georgetown's basketball budget in the past -- if I recall, it magically breaks even every year. Even with Ewing's non-market compensation package, there's no way that you can convince anyone that Georgetown doesn't come out ahead with men's basketball. If they don't, it's just more mismanagement. There's solid TV money coming in, there has been -- until next year -- decent cash flow from season tickets, and a few large national sponsors, plus Jordan/Nike. I wouldn't put it past DeGioia and crew, but I don't think the lease is a killer -- if you haven't been to games recently, there is a skeleton crew of workers there. Also, let's not get started on another DeGioia/Georgetown problem -- we have a third rate endowment compared to peer top twenty five universities which limits the universities ability to offset financial aid, bringing in top academics, starting new programs etc. Tuition rates are "stupid" because so many students do not pay the advertised rate. There's means testing and academic scholarship -- all of which I think is a great idea. Depending on what your parents' income is, however, your tuition could be $61,872 this year ... and that's before room and board. That is a stupid number for most families earning under $500K/year but more than $100K. Getting back tot he topic at hand, I hope some young smart person starts a Hoya Collective specifically focused on Men's Basketball but that can eventually branch out to organize NIL activities for other Georgetown athletes. I think there are a lot of Hoya owned/run businesses in DC and beyond that would be interested in relatively small marketing activities -- a social media post, an appearance, an online ad -- that in the aggregate could add up to real $$$ for our athletes -- at least the stars. Would a Hoya alum pay $2000 to have Don Carey come by his kid's birthday party and shoot hoops for an hour? How about $5K to get half the team at corporate shootaround? I don't know what sort of $200K Ewing and Co. may have cobbled together for Ward ... but given how the university and basketball program have failed for five years straight, I'm hoping an alumni with some sports and marketing skills can make a nice business and help the program. Just as a response to both I am not only talking about Georgetown (who is an outlier in many ways and part of a fraction of a fraction of schools that meet need), most colleges like state schools just don't do that but still rocket the costs and any denial of this insane inflation is just ignoring the facts (In state tuition in the last 20 years has almost tripled for context) and ignoring about 1.7 trillion in loans that they just saddle students with. While this is only one facet of operating costs, the amount of adjuncts at most universities has only increased at incredible rates with many getting paid less than someone working 40 hours a week (with a few weeks of vacation) at minimum wage in DC and most minimum wages have not kept up with the times at all so that labor is something that has only gotten cheaper (I don't want to get into an argument about the specific budget of any university but these are some of the obvious things that detract from any justification of doubling or even tripling tuition in a very small window and Georgetown is a weird case in general financially but these ideas are very applicable to many schools). So they're ramping up tuition, but severely underpaying the educators and laborers hence "stupid tuition rates". The reason I bring it up is because people who did not want NIL point to the inflated cost to attend college in this country and say that is so much money for the student that isn't actually money when it is simply another part of the whole college money making scheme. And while I accept we will never be very good at NIL especially under the current administration in the program and school at large, that is no excuse to bury their heads in the sand and expect everything to be ok and continue to ignore major shifts in the game. It is fair to say even when great we may not be the number 1 thing in DC like Creighton is in Omaha but that is still not a valid excuse to drag our feet and blatantly be unenthusiastic about it which only hurts an already wounded program and that attitude is not helpful to the other sports who actually have their sh*t together And to DFW, correct me if I am wrong, but I follow your first paragraph of thinking as if just because Gtown or other other schools don't turn a profit or make a lot of money, then the student athlete shouldn't really get to make money themselves. I am sorry if I misunderstood, but if not then I just plainly disagree with the idea of stopping adult student athletes from making money off of their own names and abilities while in college even if the certain college mismanages a major sport to the extent of being in the red cough cough. The students you mention who are not on scholarship just further justifies NIL as then they can maybe get some money while living a very busy and stressful life. And NIL should've happened awhile back especially when the NCAA started helping make video games using the students like what the actual F was that? And yeah the number of student athletes you pulled includes Division 3 which is kind of irrelevant due to no scholarships (but they are allowed NIL which is good). What is more relevant is the 175,000 D1 and D2 athletes that have received scholarship money (in 2017 was the quickest google result). And many of those deserve actually money especially since most will not turn pro and some will end up with life long injuries and damage. And while some schools may not profit or profit massively, having decent school sports is powerful marketing tool for luring high schoolers to apply and attend. "I just plainly disagree with the idea of stopping adult student athletes from making money off of their own names and abilities while in college" Ok, fine. Certainly you agree that, say, promise of a $200,000 payment to a recruit has absolutely nothing to do with a student athlete making money off of their own name and ability while in college, right? |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 4, 2022 9:34:12 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on May 4, 2022 9:42:27 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on May 4, 2022 9:46:07 GMT -5
Lol NCAA, you are doing nothing with your head in the sand and destroying the game. That's why all the great coaches like Roy Williams, Coach K and Jay Wright are leaving. And even the NCAA Captain, Mark Emmeret is leaving the titanic. |
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Post by HometownHoya on May 4, 2022 10:07:30 GMT -5
UK playing by the rules for NIL so far. Fortunately for them they have alumni that take care of the NIL stuff.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 4, 2022 12:02:23 GMT -5
The NIL and transfer rules have opened Pandora's Box. Just my opinion.
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Post by EtomicB on May 4, 2022 12:47:26 GMT -5
[quote author=" professorhoya" source="/post/980733 /thread" timestamp="1651675567"] Lol NCAA, you are doing nothing with your head in the sand and destroying the game. That's why all the great coaches like Roy Williams, Coach K and Jay Wright are leaving. And even the NCAA Captain, Mark Emmeret is leaving the titanic.[/quote] They haven’t put their head in the sand, as this paragraph from the posted article states they’re concerned with legality issues. A rules subcommittee of the NCAA Transformation Committee is currently reviewing some of these issues. A two-year study by a committee to regulate NIL was basically ignored by the NCAA last year amid fears of legal liability... |
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TC
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Post by TC on May 4, 2022 13:19:02 GMT -5
GU neither has a substantial local alumni base, nor is it the big fish in town. And while GU certainly has rich alums, we don't have an active group of rich boosters willing to throw absurd money like at Miami. As I see it, the only hope for GU to compete on NIL with big state schools and biggest game in town small town schools, is for Nike/Jordan Brand to choose Georgetown as its showpiece brand and fund the NIL money themselves. I see the "only hope" differently - I don't think Nike will fund us and I don't see any reason why they would. However, we have an alum who owns the company that owns the arena and we have a team that basically is so bad that it doesn't really need to be renting arena space and this year is going to be ticket apocalypse. I think our "great hope" is that Leonsis runs the Hoyas as a minor league team, funds it through NIL, and makes it back on the lease and concessions. |
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