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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 28, 2022 21:50:45 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 28, 2022 21:54:12 GMT -5
This may not have been how NILs were expected by some of us to operate, but this is the new reality...and we still don't know how/whether GU will successfully adapt to the new reality.
As for me, I'm now viewing all college basketball players on scholarship as effectively being on one-year playing contracts...renewable now at the player's option (as compared to the university having the ability to renew or fail to renew annual scholarships). So, we now will get an avalanche of "free agents" each spring. This destroys continuity and team cohesiveness, and effectively eliminates program building. It's not a wonder, any longer, why Jay Wright walked away.
College basketball in 2022 bears absolutely no relationship to the college basketball world into which John Thompson came to Georgetown fifty years earlier. And the pitch that was used to entice countless Hoya basketball players, that a student-athlete could come to the Hilltop, stay four years and be NBA-ready, with a degree from GU upon which they were ready to enter the real world...well, that pitch is dead, because it will be a rare athlete that wants to stay four years.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2022 6:57:33 GMT -5
This may not have been how NILs were expected by some of us to operate, but this is the new reality...and we still don't know how/whether GU will successfully adapt to the new reality. As for me, I'm now viewing all college basketball players on scholarship as effectively being on one-year playing contracts...renewable now at the player's option (as compared to the university having the ability to renew or fail to renew annual scholarships). So, we now will get an avalanche of "free agents" each spring. This destroys continuity and team cohesiveness, and effectively eliminates program building. It's not a wonder, any longer, why Jay Wright walked away. College basketball in 2022 bears absolutely no relationship to the college basketball world into which John Thompson came to Georgetown fifty years earlier. And the pitch that was used to entice countless Hoya basketball players, that a student-athlete could come to the Hilltop, stay four years and be NBA-ready, with a degree from GU upon which they were ready to enter the real world...well, that pitch is dead, because it will be a rare athlete that wants to stay four years. Just from a BE perspective, I don't think you're correct. Not too jinx any team but Nova hasn't lost a player and kept their highly touted recruiting class in place. Creighton has the best returning core in the league all of them are returning. Lewis from Marquette is flirting with the pros but their nice core is returning. SH, PC, St. John's, Xavier, Butler & Uconn all have their best players returning. Only DePaul lost its top player so far when the Jones kid transferred. The situation at Miami doesn't seem to be the norm in my opinion. P.S. - I know Champagnie left St.Johns but he didn't transfer out |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 29, 2022 7:01:32 GMT -5
I think on average every team has lost three players. Obviously, some more and some less.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 29, 2022 7:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 29, 2022 7:15:39 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 29, 2022 7:16:26 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 29, 2022 7:21:13 GMT -5
The inevitable outcome here is schools paying players directly and putting them on a contract which is the way it always should have been.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 29, 2022 7:24:10 GMT -5
And this happened under NCAA Board of Governor’s Chair Jack DeGioia’s watch! |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 29, 2022 7:28:09 GMT -5
This may not have been how NILs were expected by some of us to operate, but this is the new reality...and we still don't know how/whether GU will successfully adapt to the new reality. As for me, I'm now viewing all college basketball players on scholarship as effectively being on one-year playing contracts...renewable now at the player's option (as compared to the university having the ability to renew or fail to renew annual scholarships). So, we now will get an avalanche of "free agents" each spring. This destroys continuity and team cohesiveness, and effectively eliminates program building. It's not a wonder, any longer, why Jay Wright walked away. College basketball in 2022 bears absolutely no relationship to the college basketball world into which John Thompson came to Georgetown fifty years earlier. And the pitch that was used to entice countless Hoya basketball players, that a student-athlete could come to the Hilltop, stay four years and be NBA-ready, with a degree from GU upon which they were ready to enter the real world...well, that pitch is dead, because it will be a rare athlete that wants to stay four years. This is exactly why Jay Wright and Roy Williams/Coach K/etc, etc are getting out of the game. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 29, 2022 7:37:27 GMT -5
The inevitable outcome here is schools paying players directly and putting them on a contract which is the way it always should have been. they should have done that from the beginning. The problem now is that NIL has created different salaries for different players and what they should have done is have the same salary for each player. Now I'm not sure how they arrive at how much to pay players of different abilities. Do you base it off stats? (That will lead to even more transfers as everyone will seek PT) |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 29, 2022 7:43:56 GMT -5
The inevitable outcome here is schools paying players directly and putting them on a contract which is the way it always should have been. they should have done that from the beginning. The problem now is that NIL has created different salaries for different players and what they should have done is have the same salary for each player. Now I'm not sure how they arrive at how much to pay players of different abilities. Do you base it off stats? (That will lead to even more transfers as everyone will seek PT) Stats would be an even bigger debacle. You would have fights breaking out in locker rooms. There should be some sort of cap system. It should be based off what you pay your coach coupled with a tiered system which as you get older, you get more money. Almost like the vet minimums in the NBA. So all freshman get a slotted amount, all sophomores another, etc. The main issue would be how do schools in the A10 or CAA pay the same slotted amounts? They couldn't in all likelihood. How do you also contain schools that look at education as a byproduct of their athletic department (Kansas/Kentucky/LSU). |
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Apr 29, 2022 7:56:24 GMT -5
With a bonus for every year you stay with the same school
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2022 8:14:45 GMT -5
The inevitable outcome here is schools paying players directly and putting them on a contract which is the way it always should have been. I don't think it has to go this far, the ncaa should have allowed the players to share in the money. Why didn't they set up bonus money for the tourney(s) the teams play in? There should be incentives for winning the conference or number of games the same way they're set up for coaches contracts.. There's enough sponsor & TV money to do this before tapping into booster loot, instead they chose to bloat coach & admin salaries with the money. Smh... |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 29, 2022 8:17:24 GMT -5
And this happened under NCAA Board of Governor’s Chair Jack DeGioia’s watch! I'm not sure your point. Jack had littlemto do with the purported "generations of greed.". At least no more than any other college president. His term on the Governors corresponded with significant reforms. Sure, reforms promulgated only on a knife's edge after litigation. But what the heck did you want him to do? There needs to be legislation recognizing that college athletics are their own thing. They aren't purely a business. They sure aren't purely a mere educational component. And Olympic and non-revenue sports complicate the whole thing. As does Title IX. All of that needs to be considered in any solution. And it's not easy. |
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Post by prhoya on Apr 29, 2022 8:31:13 GMT -5
And this happened under NCAA Board of Governor’s Chair Jack DeGioia’s watch! I'm not sure your point. Jack had littlemto do with the purported "generations of greed.". At least no more than any other college president. His term on the Governors corresponded with significant reforms. Sure, reforms promulgated only on a knife's edge after litigation. But what the heck did you want him to do? There needs to be legislation recognizing that college athletics are their own thing. They aren't purely a business. They sure aren't purely a mere educational component. And Olympic and non-revenue sports complicate the whole thing. As does Title IX. All of that needs to be considered in any solution. And it's not easy. As we have seen at Georgetown under his administration, Jack doesn’t do change well. As head of the NCAA’s Board of Governors in the middle of the biggest change in amateur sports, I fear he’s way over his head. Since it is what it is, I wish him luck and wisdom in dealing with it. If it gets more chaotic, it could reflect poorly on him and the University. Given that he’s responsible for hiring Pat, not ending Pat’s failure of a head coaching tenure and the 3yr/$12M extension without a proper buyout to protect the school’s finances, I’m pessimistic. |
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Post by TC on Apr 29, 2022 8:32:40 GMT -5
As for me, I'm now viewing all college basketball players on scholarship as effectively being on one-year playing contracts...renewable now at the player's option (as compared to the university having the ability to renew or fail to renew annual scholarships). So, we now will get an avalanche of "free agents" each spring. This destroys continuity and team cohesiveness, and effectively eliminates program building. It's not a wonder, any longer, why Jay Wright walked away. College basketball in 2022 bears absolutely no relationship to the college basketball world into which John Thompson came to Georgetown fifty years earlier. And the pitch that was used to entice countless Hoya basketball players, that a student-athlete could come to the Hilltop, stay four years and be NBA-ready, with a degree from GU upon which they were ready to enter the real world...well, that pitch is dead, because it will be a rare athlete that wants to stay four years. The blame is two sided. The pitch for education is also dead because we ran players who seemed to be good students (Big East All Academic) off the team. The basketball program no longer cares about the educational portion here - they care about saving their high-paying jobs that they are really bad at doing. Winning in the short term trumps development, education, and consistency. Stop blaming 18 year old kids for this. The adults are more to blame. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 29, 2022 8:55:12 GMT -5
As for me, I'm now viewing all college basketball players on scholarship as effectively being on one-year playing contracts...renewable now at the player's option (as compared to the university having the ability to renew or fail to renew annual scholarships). So, we now will get an avalanche of "free agents" each spring. This destroys continuity and team cohesiveness, and effectively eliminates program building. It's not a wonder, any longer, why Jay Wright walked away. College basketball in 2022 bears absolutely no relationship to the college basketball world into which John Thompson came to Georgetown fifty years earlier. And the pitch that was used to entice countless Hoya basketball players, that a student-athlete could come to the Hilltop, stay four years and be NBA-ready, with a degree from GU upon which they were ready to enter the real world...well, that pitch is dead, because it will be a rare athlete that wants to stay four years. The blame is two sided. The pitch for education is also dead because we ran players who seemed to be good students (Big East All Academic) off the team. The basketball program no longer cares about the educational portion here - they care about saving their high-paying jobs that they are really bad at doing. Winning in the short term trumps development, education, and consistency. Stop blaming 18 year old kids for this. The adults are more to blame. I'm really not blaming the student/athletes here. It's much more balanced, where the power previously was all in the hands of the so-called adults...and we see how well the adults did running the show. The thrust of my post was really intended, instead, to highlight an inherent problem that Georgetown will have, going forward, in its basketball rubric. |
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2022 9:17:53 GMT -5
The blame is two sided. The pitch for education is also dead because we ran players who seemed to be good students (Big East All Academic) off the team. The basketball program no longer cares about the educational portion here - they care about saving their high-paying jobs that they are really bad at doing. Winning in the short term trumps development, education, and consistency. Stop blaming 18 year old kids for this. The adults are more to blame. I'm really not blaming the student/athletes here. It's much more balanced, where the power previously was all in the hands of the so-called adults...and we see how well the adults did running the show. The thrust of my post was really intended, instead, to highlight an inherent problem that Georgetown will have, going forward, in its basketball rubric. But this issue of players leaving has been an issue long before the NIL came into play NJ, it can't and shouldn't be used as an excuse or crutch now |
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Post by Problem of Dog on Apr 29, 2022 9:45:19 GMT -5
I am very torn on this issue.
I think players should be paid their market value. And while some of these numbers seem stupid and not market value, I guess that's the definition of the market, isn't it? Just what someone is willing to pay.
At the same time, the way NIL has come to exist feels a little distasteful. Still, I'm not sure what the solution is. It just seems odd to have some random booster paying kids $400k/year to come to a school for one year.
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