Buckets
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Post by Buckets on Apr 3, 2022 17:35:31 GMT -5
Guys I know we’ve had our problems getting the NIL launched. But we just had John Carroll Weekend, a huge gathering of people with the time, money, connections, and inclination to help Georgetown. Could really help us get this thing off the ground. Thank God we took advantage of the opportunity and — *reads article* — complained to Nancy Pelosi about a player on Kentucky.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 3, 2022 19:19:06 GMT -5
We all know that asking Congress to take measures to correct some perceived wrong works (a) quickly and (b) efficiently, each and every time.
So, yes, let's let them have at the NIL issue. Not like they've got anything more important to handle.
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3xhoya
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Post by 3xhoya on Apr 3, 2022 19:41:22 GMT -5
Guys I know we’ve had our problems getting the NIL launched. But we just had John Carroll Weekend, a huge gathering of people with the time, money, connections, and inclination to help Georgetown. Could really help us get this thing off the ground. Thank God we took advantage of the opportunity and — *reads article* — complained to Nancy Pelosi about a player on Kentucky. Aidan is doing some fantastic work on behalf of all of us and should be commended. He thankfully is giving us a glimpse into the inner workings of the Georgetown administration (no matter how terrifying that may be). Unfortunately his most recent article reveals the mindset of the university to me. I will paraphrase it as “we are better than everybody else, have more morals and will do things the right way.” I for one am very happy their moral compass feels talented individuals should be used for profit, of which none of it are they deserving. (Sarcasm for those who can’t tell). Let’s get rid of all the old talking heads and join 2022.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 3, 2022 19:48:42 GMT -5
They think there should be an act of Congress to make it illegal for college athletes to get paid but they also think it’s a good idea to pay Patrick Ewing $4M/yr to do whatever it is he’s doing. I called these people morons but I think that might be too kind.
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hoopsmccan
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Post by hoopsmccan on Apr 3, 2022 20:26:06 GMT -5
Kudos to Aidan and Hilltop Hoops for these articles giving everyone a closer look at the failure that is Georgetown Basketball right now! What’s up with Thompson’s Towel? I was looking forward to these current students’ perspectives. It’s like they ran out of gas with all the losing. The Georgetown Voice? The Hoya? casualhoya, we need more pressure from you. Personally wouldn't shock me if TT got told to shut up by someone at the university when asking for an interview or opinion on the program. It is truly disgusting that they would intimidate students away from pushing for answers and solutions to not get blacklisted This is some efficient message board work. Typically, someone speculates and over a couple of posts the speculation becomes accepted as fact if it suits them and then people react to the “fact”. You got it all done in two sentences. Well done. hm
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 3, 2022 21:15:51 GMT -5
Hoyatalk: How could GU hire an assistant who has been (by association) linked to a “bidding war” for recruits!
[GU AD indicates some institutional discomfort with paying players via NIL deals organized by the school and/or boosters.]
Hoyatalk: GU administration is clinging to the past!
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 3, 2022 21:43:19 GMT -5
Personally wouldn't shock me if TT got told to shut up by someone at the university when asking for an interview or opinion on the program. It is truly disgusting that they would intimidate students away from pushing for answers and solutions to not get blacklisted This is some efficient message board work. Typically, someone speculates and over a couple of posts the speculation becomes accepted as fact if it suits them and then people react to the “fact”. You got it all done in two sentences. Well done. hm Ummm I’m pretty sure this has been discussed multiple times and has been seen with Aiden where anyone who pushes gets frozen or negatively treated (most recently Aiden got ignored in the press conferences after he released the Ronny article). One of my roommates when I was at GU up until the pandemic was with one of the student papers and they pretty much weren’t allowed to poke too hard upstairs about anything to not get in trouble. I mean hey it’s a good tactic, definitely teaching the kids good stuff about suppressing information and press for when they become politicians and heads of state. And as for the program itself, in its current state, they are unlikely to get the benefit of the doubt from me for a long time with how they act. But to get this topic back on thread, not getting comfortable to NIL will bury the program and sandbag other sports in the long run. I bet Weiss in soccer is working on something to keep things cranking. I hate social media but this and being accessible is necessary to keep up with the shortening attention spans of people and potential recruits today.
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TC
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Post by TC on Apr 4, 2022 6:59:43 GMT -5
Hoyatalk: How could GU hire an assistant who has been (by association) linked to a “bidding war” for recruits! [GU AD indicates some institutional discomfort with paying players via NIL deals organized by the school and/or boosters.] Hoyatalk: GU administration is clinging to the past! As I understand it : - NIL is legal, but probably requires a lot of work and the only easy targets are things that GU would probably not want their athletes publicly promoting - paying players and/or their families is not legal - Reed expressed reservation about NIL, something something "the Georgetown Way", which I read to be wanting to control this and not having kids promote dubious enterprises - Reed expressed reservation in the Hilltop Hoops article about parents/handlers straight up asking for money - we hired an assistant from the dirtiest program out there, and are rumored to be involved with Kenny Johnson, who was involved in an FBI investigation for paying parents - those have been the big assistant coach names - all of our new hope targets are names who people on this board thought took money (Reid, Murray, etc) from the program that was the dirtiest program out there and we're staking our 2023 on them coming So what are we supposed to believe here? That we're acting above reproach, and that what Reed tells the people in that room is what they believe? If they have profound institutional discomfort, why are we hiring LSU assistants? Do the people that run this show have one message for the people in that room for John Carroll weekend, and then act differently or look the other way? The optics of this situation suggest we are doing the latter out of desperation.
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Post by KenteKrazies on Apr 4, 2022 13:31:22 GMT -5
So are we down to bring Qudus Wahab back?
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 4, 2022 13:35:22 GMT -5
So are we down to bring Qudus Wahab back? IMO, no.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 4, 2022 13:44:56 GMT -5
His handler burnt the bridge.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 4, 2022 13:49:44 GMT -5
Napalmed it
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TC
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Post by TC on Apr 4, 2022 13:56:15 GMT -5
His handler burnt the bridge. Duval is still not done throwing gasoline on the bridge, I really don't think he's at all interested in this happening either.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 6, 2022 5:03:49 GMT -5
Just saw that Angel Reese just entered the portal. Would be nice if GTown doubled on the Reeses. I would think the sister is transferring up but for the fun of it I'll dream that she still wants to stay close to home....
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 7, 2022 12:14:25 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 10, 2022 22:21:18 GMT -5
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 21, 2022 11:56:21 GMT -5
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 21, 2022 13:27:06 GMT -5
Personally I was fine with a free one and a free one in cases of violations or coaching being fired but wow too much. Hard to imagine fanbases of anyone lesser than the top teams staying strong or getting stronger when half the team will be replaced every season
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Post by seaweed on Jul 21, 2022 14:29:02 GMT -5
Personally I was fine with a free one and a free one in cases of violations or coaching being fired but wow too much. Hard to imagine fanbases of anyone lesser than the top teams staying strong or getting stronger when half the team will be replaced every season Agree this is not what we are used to but we have all gotten used to unrestricted free agency in other sports and wandering hired guns. Roster management will become a new part of the college hoops landscape and a guy who can pull together a few studs every couple of years will become a top coach. Sure it sucks that we will have to rebuild rosters every 12 months, but we will still have 8 months of the year to follow that part of the process and, if we can get good at it, the team can go from zero to hero a lot faster. The actual students will suffer because they have no chance to get to know the players in their "class," but the rest of us will adjust to the new dynamic.
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jul 21, 2022 14:47:00 GMT -5
Personally I was fine with a free one and a free one in cases of violations or coaching being fired but wow too much. Hard to imagine fanbases of anyone lesser than the top teams staying strong or getting stronger when half the team will be replaced every season Agree this is not what we are used to but we have all gotten used to unrestricted free agency in other sports and wandering hired guns. Roster management will become a new part of the college hoops landscape and a guy who can pull together a few studs every couple of years will become a top coach. Sure it sucks that we will have to rebuild rosters every 12 months, but we will still have 8 months of the year to follow that part of the process and, if we can get good at it, the team can go from zero to hero a lot faster. The actual students will suffer because they have no chance to get to know the players in their "class," but the rest of us will adjust to the new dynamic. This isn't quite correct. Other sports have player control clauses (e.g., in MLB a young player does not hit free agency until so many years of MLB service) as well as multi-year contracts. As such, not every player is a free agent at the same time--only those who have expired contracts or who are otherwise not restricted from free agency due to a CBA. Generally, at any given moment, most players are not free agents. Absent other changes, unlimited free transfers means that all college athletes are free agents all the time (or at least all are free agents in the off season). This is substantially more chaotic than anything we see in professional sports.
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