jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 27, 2021 4:11:12 GMT -5
There are similarities between Few and Gonzaga and Petersen and Boise State in football except Few wasn't excluded from the tournament. Few won’t have to leave for a Power 5 to play at the highest level. He has momentum, and no one in that conference is going to stop them The only question would be whether at some point he wants to face a regular season challenge by moving to a Power 5 conference. Not sure that would be enough since he already has a national championship Challenger most years. If he is playing for national championships, then he is already there.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 27, 2021 7:08:24 GMT -5
One possible way of solving this is scrapping LOIs, and instead using something more akin to an employment contract. Of course this also means that there would need to be compensation beyond tuition. Player is signed for 4 years at $30k/year plus tuition/room/board. Contract would have clauses regarding early termination--so players may be able to transfer or leave to play in Europe/GLeague/NBA, but would have to pony up per the contractual terms. Of course, this would mean the NCAA would have to recognize its athletes as professionals... Then you will have to see a salary cap too, which would equalize things for the non blue bloods. And then title IX would require that the women's team is compensated with the exact same salary which would eat into the men's salary. DELETED - INAPPROPRIATE HERE. That is easily the most Editeded up thing ever posted here. Do you really believe that young men are going to pretend they are women just to get paid a little extra and enjoy a little better success? You think they will go through all the therapy and even surgery on a whim to chase 4 years of college glory? Has their been one documented case of such abuse of transgender protections? Sorry, you are a valued member of this board, but that is just a) stupid, b) cruel to actual transgender athletes who deserve an opportunity to compete in the division most appropriate for them and c) dumb to think a cis male would abuse the system to "act" female and gain advantage. Please retract this bizarre and utterly unfounded suggestion.
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Post by reformation on Mar 27, 2021 8:37:08 GMT -5
Not sure I'd blame Patrick, Gtwn as institution has many positives: transparency & openness are not among them. Kind of a strange insecurity that leads to the appearance of arrogance. As for Patrick himself, marketing is not a skill set that he came to the job with. I would assume he needs some help/guidance in the area, not sure what he gets from those around him. Also not sure of how accepting he is of guidance + are people around him afraid to give him firm direction on non bb matters. Would need someone with inside knowledge to really know--just speculating here.
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Mar 27, 2021 14:49:05 GMT -5
I think we have to look at the transfers individually rather than simply throwing out the blanket statement noting all of the transfers under Ewing (while not incorrect, it's not necessarily the whole story). If I recall correctly, Antwan Walker, Chris Sodom, and Josh LeBlanc all transferred due to off court issues. I'll add in Gardner and Alexander to the LeBlanc issue, even if they were just "guilty by association" (just as a phrase, not in the legal sense). LeBlanc was in the doghouse with the coaches, I assume, because of these pending issues. Coach can't manage 24 hours of every player's day (and I wouldn't want him to, personally). You could make the argument that Coach needs to ensure he is recruiting high quality characters. It's a fair argument and I have no reason to think he hasn't done so with the recruiting classes of 2020 and 2021. Fairly or unfairly, I view these transfers separately from the rest since the reasons for their departure are unrelated to basketball.
I'm guessing Mac's transfer was due to either a bad fit with his teammates, a bad fit with the coach, wanting more exposure, or wanting to be a point guard rather than a 2-guard. I'm guessing Akinjo's transfer was due to a poor fit with the coach. I'm guessing Grayson Carter transferred due to a lack of playing time. Coach didn't hit it off with Mac and/or James. Fine. It happens and players transfer for such reasons. Their profiles make it look much worse than it is in my opinion. It's two transfers. The Qudus transfer is confusing for all of us, it seems. He got plenty of playing time, he was the focal point of the offense, and he was a rising big man in a notable conference. There were no issues off the court. We tend to default to the James/Mac reason for transferring because that's the only one left from what we've seen under Ewing. That doesn't necessarily mean it's true. There are many more reasons that a player could transfer. That leaves 3 transfers of high profile players and one transfer due to lack of PT. Obviously we want to minimize transfers but I don't think this is reflective of a systemic issue with Coach Ewing or the program. Transfers are the nature of the beast right now (especially this offseason).
Of note: It's interesting seeing how the players have performed since their departure. I haven't watched Akinjo, Gardner, Carter, or Alexander (outside of one NCAA performance). I've seen nothing from Mac and Josh to indicate that Ewing was holding them back or was unable to unlock something in their games.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 27, 2021 15:39:25 GMT -5
Very excited about the future of the program under Ewing.
Ewing is very resourceful. He deals with adversity and change quite well. Very promising year this past year and proved all the experts wrong. The Big East tournament championship was sweet and one to remember.
Also curious who develops out of the seldom used players going forward. How will Tim and Malcolm evolve in the coming years? The C position is open for the taking now. What about Sibley and Clark. Interesting to see what unfolds in the coming years.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 29, 2021 7:19:01 GMT -5
I think we have to look at the transfers individually rather than simply throwing out the blanket statement noting all of the transfers under Ewing (while not incorrect, it's not necessarily the whole story). If I recall correctly, Antwan Walker, Chris Sodom, and Josh LeBlanc all transferred due to off court issues. I'll add in Gardner and Alexander to the LeBlanc issue, even if they were just "guilty by association" (just as a phrase, not in the legal sense). LeBlanc was in the doghouse with the coaches, I assume, because of these pending issues. Coach can't manage 24 hours of every player's day (and I wouldn't want him to, personally). You could make the argument that Coach needs to ensure he is recruiting high quality characters. It's a fair argument and I have no reason to think he hasn't done so with the recruiting classes of 2020 and 2021. Fairly or unfairly, I view these transfers separately from the rest since the reasons for their departure are unrelated to basketball. We're definitely venturing into the unknown here...but I do find it interesting that LeBlanc gets lumped in w Gardner / Alexander when he announced his transfer on the same day as Akinjo. LeBlanc's issues only became public because he said he was transferring and people started searching for reasons. If he doesn't transfer, I'm not sure if or when any of it would've become public. People assume his 1 game suspension at the beginning of the season was for his off court behavior, but there's no way to explain why Gardner and Alexander were never suspended. Is it possible that Ewing told him Mosely and Pickett were starting over him, and he flipped because he'd be coming off the bench (after coming off the bench for Mourning to start prior season)? Honestly given what we've seen from him at LSU this year, maybe basketball just became a lower priority and Mosely and Pickett earned it. Akinjo was a disaster in the UNC-Greensboro game, the last one he played here. Ewing might have told him he was getting benched and that was the final straw for both where they made a collective decision as close friends not to play for Ewing anymore. Ewing brought Akinjo off the bench after the Marquette game where he ignored the playcall freshman year, it's not unreasonable to think it was coming again after UNC-G. And again, not entirely undeserved. To bring this back to Q, the Casual Hoya podcast reminded me that Q didn't start the first game back from break vs. Provy. Some posters speculated Q was the one who got COVID and he needed to work his way back into shape, although he still played that game. But I also thought Ewing just wanted a bigger body on Watson and it almost felt like a challenge to Q. Given the transfer decision seemed pre-determined before the BE run, I don't think it's crazy to question if benching him (even for one game) led to those discussions from his camp. And I'm not even saying Ewing is wrong here, it's his job to put together the best lineup as he sees fit. He's clearly made lineup decisions that I didn't fully understand and they absolutely worked this year. But it goes to managing the players to explain those situations so you still have their trust. He clearly has built strong relationships w Pickett and Bile, so painting him as out of touch w this generation isn't fair. And I agree to an extent the transfers need to be looked at individually, and I don't count transfers of Carter, Sodom, Walker et all that are the normal type of transfers against him. But core starting players transferring is not common, we shouldn't act like it is, and I think there was a lot of hope that Ewing had weeded out " selfish / bad apples" the prior offseason. This just goes to show it's maybe not that straight forward.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 29, 2021 8:04:00 GMT -5
Good post. I trust Ewing and advocate for a stern approach with players and recruits. The rules are the rules, and everyone has accountability. If that means we lose for perpetuity- then so be it. I think there are excellent players who would be glad to buy into that type of system, but you really need the exact right fit with the players you are recruiting. It is almost like looking for military recruits.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 29, 2021 13:19:09 GMT -5
Wow, that's way too much to pay for a college basketball coach. /sarcasm
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 29, 2021 13:23:12 GMT -5
Wow, that's way too much to pay for a college basketball coach. /sarcasm What about Indiana's endowment?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 29, 2021 14:50:23 GMT -5
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 29, 2021 14:56:46 GMT -5
Wow, that's way too much to pay for a college basketball coach. /sarcasm Much easier to do that when you have boosters willing to shell out 8 figures on a whim to buy out the previous coach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 17:51:30 GMT -5
There's nothing interesting about that article at all unless your looking to push an agenda. They write this same article every single time an NBA guy gets hired. The narrative that NBA guys don't understand the challenges is so old and tired, and College coaches fail in all the areas mentioned all the time. Lastly, nothing about our run was a miracle. We were a pretty solid team the last half of the season and the record reflected that.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 29, 2021 19:33:20 GMT -5
A good coach, whether little league or professional, connects with their players on some level.
Connecting with players, motivating players, etc. none of that is new. That was going on during JT2's time as a player and way before that time. Beyond sports. You are talking about leadership.
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Post by hoya59er on Mar 29, 2021 20:29:40 GMT -5
I absolutely agree. A coach has to develop good relationships with each of his players, and that is through one-on-one conversations. Leadership is how we help people feel about themselves. A coach needs to instill confidence.
Can our coach do this? This is yet to be determined. The BE championship was great, for sure. But in other games, we were flat out bad, out-hustled, tons of turnovers, bad shot selection, terrible defense. 96 points by Colorado! Come on. Repeatedly gave them wide open 3s, and uncontested lay ups.
We have talented this coming year. It will tell how good Ewing is as a coach.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 29, 2021 21:37:57 GMT -5
Go to 8:37 mark:
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Post by prhoya on Mar 29, 2021 22:04:30 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what happens to Villanova. No action yet, right?
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 30, 2021 8:20:28 GMT -5
I am not a big fan of Boehiem, but you do need to acknowledge that you get some very honest and unfiltered responses from him over the last few years. He is at a point in his career where it seems like he doesn't really care if people like what he says or not. He says what is on his mind and what he feels is "right" and lets the chips fall where they may. I am sure most of the major college coaches think that the current transfer system now is unmanageable and makes it almost impossible for any coach to build teams for the long term (in college long term is 3-4 years), but most won't say anything for fear of alienating a few players/guardians. The days of coaching kids hard and making them earn playing time seems to be over and the old school coaches like Boehiem are trying to figure out how to navigate this new system. These days the players need to play right away and have coaches tell them how good they are all the time, or they are leaving for another program. At this point I don't see why programs really need 13 scholarships, because those last few players on the bench, (who in the past were developmental players who might help the program in a few years) are leaving if they can't get 20+ minutes every game.
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Post by aristides on Mar 30, 2021 8:42:16 GMT -5
Interesting hearing Boehiem's perspective on it. It must be scary for him to see the players suddenly have so much freedom and opportunity after so many years in the game. Players exercising the right to try a different program and not be unhappy is a good thing in my book.
I'm sorry to see Wahab go but I support his right to do so. I hope it works out.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 30, 2021 8:48:27 GMT -5
Interesting hearing Boehiem's perspective on it. It must be scary for him to see the players suddenly have so much freedom and opportunity after so many years in the game. Players exercising the right to try a different program and not be unhappy is a good thing in my book. I'm sorry to see Wahab go but I support his right to do so. I hope it works out. Completely agree with this take. Players who are unhappy for whatever reason are better off leaving and going elsewhere. If it happens to be a featured star then so be it. Ewing and every other coach will have to adapt to succeed. At least Ewing is from the NBA where free agency has existed for decades. As for Wahab, it's a shame to lose him as he was beginning to develop. I am completely baffled, but not bitter. Wish him well.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Mar 30, 2021 8:53:49 GMT -5
He's right. In the last Dawg Talk live, both Chris & Austin mentioned that they thought of transferring at some point. I believe we all do it in our jobs. We all have "those days" or "issues," that we usually figure out a way to work through. If there is an easy exit to what looks like could be greener pastures for the student-athletes, less and less will try to work through whatever is bothering them. At least we know that Coach knows how to successfully navigate roster adversity. It will be interesting to see which other coaches can be successful in these new times.
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