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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 20, 2021 16:09:35 GMT -5
What a disgrace that Walker was not kicked out. There is no excuse for that. That foul on Timmy was very flagrant and not even close to a basketball play. I care not what the new version of the absurd rules calls fouls like that these days- that was not okay and is the type of play that ought to get you booted from any game. Regular season, he is out. Refs didn’t have the balls to make the call. Ultimately, wouldn’t have mattered. hm This. If they had called it, I don't think he or Colo could have complained. But to be honest I would rather they do have a little more conservative outlook on a call like that in an NCAA game.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 20, 2021 16:14:35 GMT -5
What a disgrace that Walker was not kicked out. There is no excuse for that. That foul on Timmy was very flagrant and not even close to a basketball play. I care not what the new version of the absurd rules calls fouls like that these days- that was not okay and is the type of play that ought to get you booted from any game. Regular season, he is out. Refs didn’t have the balls to make the call. Ultimately, wouldn’t have mattered. hm Maybe it does not change the outcome, but it would have made the score a lot closer. The guy who committed that foul had a career day. Losing him would have hurt Colorado.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 20, 2021 16:15:52 GMT -5
Regular season, he is out. Refs didn’t have the balls to make the call. Ultimately, wouldn’t have mattered. hm This. If they had called it, I don't think he or Colo could have complained. But to be honest I would rather they do have a little more conservative outlook on a call like that in an NCAA game. I generally would agree- I am still mad about that call on Auburn versus UVA a few years ago. But dirty plays, where you grab a guy and drag him down, need to be penalized. And that was a dirty play.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2021 16:17:10 GMT -5
You either tolerate flagrantly dirty/dangerous plays like that in the game or you don’t. It’s not a situational call.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2021 16:27:43 GMT -5
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Post by saxagael on Mar 20, 2021 16:31:37 GMT -5
His big issue early in the season was out of position and reaching that lead to more fouls than minutes. He was abandoning his man. But, more importantly he plays with his weight back not on the balls of his feet, which means he isn't in position to adjust at all and gets blown by, but also means he has to play farther off his man. His footwork on defense also needs work (some is the problem is weight back) as isn't remotely ready for direction change and insanely easy to cross and get by him. Simiar problems to what McClung had (and still has and at Tech he isn't really putting in any effort), but TJ showing he is working on it and has gone from horrible to okay, but still needs to work on moving his weight forward so he can better transition. He doesn't defend well with his feet well, but playing off he is adjusting far better than he was. He needs to study what Dante does as he is textbook great defend with your feet defense and weight distribution. Part of TJ's issue earlier in the season was he had very little defensive IQ and didn't seem to know basics of where to be, what to do and when, nor positioning on ball nor off ball. He as grown his defensive IQ and in the right place and putting in the effort. Now it is growing on that foundation. The Creighton game (I think) he had 11 minutes with 1 foul, that was insanely good improvement from where he was early in the season. That is a great tribute to TJ, but also great coaching. Hoyas have never been good teaching skills techniques (offense nor defense) until the last two or three years. Reads like you believe he improved overall on the defensive end as the season went on, that should give us some hope that he has a chance to be a contributor in the next season or two... Who knows what the future holds but I hope Berger stays... You are correct, I did see improvement. But, he also wants to improve. His defense became servicable, with some lapses, but not a liability and not a foul machine, but even better than that. He went from a D- too at least a solid C level and maybe a C+ on defense. The next level will take work and changing things that are tough to change after 16 years old (for no other reason than there is a lot of muscle memory to undo) and needs not only coaching, but skills and conditioning work, as well as body mechanics focus (Carey was going through this change in mechanics last summer and it changed his game from what he was doing at Sienna, for the better). I hope Berger is back too and think that he would be. He was planning on going to Penn because of academics. He and his parents believe Georgetown is at comparable / same level of academics at Penn, but better upside to learn and grow as a basketball player. If it is up to Berger I think he would stay. Ivy teams didn't play this year and all current players are given the option of staying on their Ivy teams (some only give players 4 years as a player, but making the exception). This means there is a serious backlog for Ivy teams for this next year and possibly the following year, so I doubt he would see a move there. Since he has stated he is at Georgetown to for academics, but also learn from a great coach / coaches, he has shown he is wanting to improve. He came in at a 4th PG after Beard opted for a 5th prep year, Dante was slated to be the backup to Beard. Beard opting to defer meant Josh Jalen Harris was to split time with Dante and added Berger as depth at PG, but also a good shooter. Next year Berger would be a 3rd at PG, but likely with decent minutes available and a 2nd to 4th shooter coming off the bench. I really like him as a player as he wants to learn and improve and does it. He puts in the work and makes changes to improve. Ewing is finding moldable players willing to be molded.
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Post by saxagael on Mar 20, 2021 16:41:30 GMT -5
Even the most optimistic of us knew this was a (deeply) flawed team. All of those flaws were on display today. Our 5 was a liability against an athletic team and couldn't consistently take advantage of mismatches the other way. Tim was poor in his time in there (as he has been not infrequently). Q was OK overall....but a huge liability on D and not good enough on O to make up for it. We got sucked in on D almost an incredible amount. We saw that a ton early on in the season. The 1-5 PNR has been a huge problem for Ewing teams forever and it killed us tonight. We couldn't keep guys in front of us at the beginning of the year. Same tonight. Pickett was at his inconsistent worst. Forcing when he should have passed. Passing when he should have shot. I love the kid, and I wish him all the best. But he's just been an enigma for four years! Blair? Look, his limitations are what they are. He is an indifferent defender. If he's not creating shots for himself he is a liability there too. And, of course, on top of it, they shot the lights out. Happens. Everyone returning needs to improve. Dante needs to get more consistent on his J and better at finishing through traffic. Q needs to improve on D so that he at least isn't a liability in matchups against smaller players. And keep working on secondary moves as well as face up game. Pat needs to improve his in game adjustments. He needs to develop a bit more motion into the offense. I don't mind all the NBA sets. I'd just like us to have a standard motion look on top of them all to create a bit more movement. We should be better next year. We need to be. It's a critical year. The most critical in five or more years. If we don't build on this...if we take a step back....oh boy. Q is what he is. He is a traditional big where he defends in the paint. Having him defend in open space might always be a problem. Ewing needs better personnel/more options to go to in times when there is a mismatch. Colorado knew he didn't. When we couldn't hit outside shots or generate good shots on the perimeter, they had us. Agreed about the motion on offense. You can see the difference in teams today. Colorado was fluid on offense. Not lot of wasted dribbles or iso's. Just good movement with and without the ball by players, all in sync. I think Q is more than "he is what he is" as he has changed his game a ton and grown since coming to Georetown. He made big improvements last year and every month or so this year he makes leaps as well. Everything Patrick has outlined as Q's focus for improving and what he is currently working on, he has grown into doing that. Ewing has outlined defending in and out as his next big focus that he Q has started focussing on, as it is a basic for what is needed at the next level. Q has the athletic ability to do it. The change is footwork and positioning as a first step as it is only step and a half to pop in and out to defend. Having feet ready to make that quick change, but also weight low enough to help the players hips pivot and change direction. Bigs get taught to play straight up, which is the opposite of what is needed to be and in and out defender. His balance to shift his weight slightly forward (much like what Berger needs to improve his defense, but not as drastic a shift as Q already is decent with weight balance). I'm looking forward to see what Q is next year. Hopefully the Hoyas get summer to work and play and not have things shut down again.
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Post by the_way on Mar 20, 2021 17:00:42 GMT -5
Q is what he is. He is a traditional big where he defends in the paint. Having him defend in open space might always be a problem. Ewing needs better personnel/more options to go to in times when there is a mismatch. Colorado knew he didn't. When we couldn't hit outside shots or generate good shots on the perimeter, they had us. Agreed about the motion on offense. You can see the difference in teams today. Colorado was fluid on offense. Not lot of wasted dribbles or iso's. Just good movement with and without the ball by players, all in sync. I think Q is more than "he is what he is" as he has changed his game a ton and grown since coming to Georetown. He made big improvements last year and every month or so this year he makes leaps as well. Everything Patrick has outlined as Q's focus for improving and what he is currently working on, he has grown into doing that. Ewing has outlined defending in and out as his next big focus that he Q has started focussing on, as it is a basic for what is needed at the next level. Q has the athletic ability to do it. The change is footwork and positioning as a first step as it is only step and a half to pop in and out to defend. Having feet ready to make that quick change, but also weight low enough to help the players hips pivot and change direction. Bigs get taught to play straight up, which is the opposite of what is needed to be and in and out defender. His balance to shift his weight slightly forward (much like what Berger needs to improve his defense, but not as drastic a shift as Q already is decent with weight balance). I'm looking forward to see what Q is next year. Hopefully the Hoyas get summer to work and play and not have things shut down again. Looking forward to see Q's development as well, especially in games like today where they exploited the mismatch with Q.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 20, 2021 17:02:50 GMT -5
Regular season, he is out. Refs didn’t have the balls to make the call. Ultimately, wouldn’t have mattered. hm This. If they had called it, I don't think he or Colo could have complained. But to be honest I would rather they do have a little more conservative outlook on a call like that in an NCAA game. It looked incredibly dirty live. On the replay you could see he was caught in the air and was part trying to make sure he didn’t get the and 1 and part soften his own fall because he was not going to be able to brace himself. I don’t think there the intent was as malicious as it seemed. If they are going strictly by the book Tim gets a flagrant for his “punch”. I think in the end of calling that they decided a flagrant 1 is a reasonable outcome and I really didn’t have a problem with it.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 20, 2021 17:07:54 GMT -5
We should be better next year. We need to be. It's a critical year. The most critical in five or more years. If we don't build on this...if we take a step back....oh boy. I think most here now expect us to be automatically better next year because of the BET. I think that could be a mistake depending on who is on the team next year. I’m not ready to make a call that until seeing a final roster. I also think we could be better next year and not make the tournament. The BET on the court results were not a fluke other than maybe Nova. The circumstances that made that run possible were very fortunate to say the least. Some will think that fortune was the result of our improvement when in reality anything can happen in small sample sizes if things break right.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 20, 2021 17:08:27 GMT -5
This. If they had called it, I don't think he or Colo could have complained. But to be honest I would rather they do have a little more conservative outlook on a call like that in an NCAA game. It looked incredibly dirty live. On the replay you could see he was caught in the air and was part trying to make sure he didn’t get the and 1 and part soften his own fall because he was not going to be able to brace himself. I don’t think there the intent was as malicious as it seemed. If they are going strictly by the book Tim gets a flagrant for his “punch”. I think in the end of calling that they decided a flagrant 1 is a reasonable outcome and I really didn’t have a problem with it. Agreed, but the immediate moving screen on TI on the next play was a bit of overkill IMO.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 20, 2021 17:09:28 GMT -5
You are not winning games when your opponent shoots 16/25 from three. That’s a high percentage in a game of horse. We could have defended better, but they made them.
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 20, 2021 17:12:47 GMT -5
Tough day Really happy still - BET was great. And fun. And got me watching the team again. I hadn’t much this year to be transparent.
Questions - Was it our bad defense - or where they just on fire? If we had been up in their face more - do they hit less 3s?
The Timmy foul - it was for sure a flagrant 2 - but if they guy had gotten kicked out - do we think that materially changes things? The game wasn’t out of hand yet.
Just sad - had dreams of a win and run. But we just ran into buzz saw and we didn’t play close to our best game. We played a game like December not March.
Next year - can we build on the momentum? Are the recruits thst good? Fingers crossed
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 20, 2021 17:16:52 GMT -5
For me the key to Berger's improvement will be to stay with his man. Way too often I see him ball watching or even worse, following the ball and doubling someone that doesn't need to be doubled. He didn't get enough PT for me to truly evaluate his man to man defense but his off-ball defense (outside of helping too much) was not there. Kinda figured this would be your take which was fair... I grew up on the ball-you-man defensive principles when defending off the ball so ball watching doesn't bother me. I do agree on the over helping & doubling but in fairness we don't know exactly what's being taught in practice... To me his shooting ability can't be ignored, In time I believe he can be a nice contributor for the program... Oh I agree entirely. I've had a few other posts about Berger that show that I am excited about his future. His offense is there and as he grows his defense will get there as well. I compared if FR year to Blair and while he doesnt get the PT, I like what he gives on O more and think he is just as good and can be better on D.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 20, 2021 17:23:35 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see on social media which players are in the gym working tomorrow. Travel and rest day tomorrow. Monday is gym day. I was suprised Thursday how many D1 players were back home in DC area in the gym getting runs and work in. I hope we open the Thompson center to any DC players that want to improve over the summer (post COVID vaccine ofcourse).
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 20, 2021 17:25:30 GMT -5
Hope Carey comes back and Ewing figures out how to run plays for him. The man can shoot. Not many players can get 4 points out of a shot as consistently as Don does. Some players know when a big play is needed and Don seems to be one of those guys that know when a momentum change is needed.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 20, 2021 17:31:38 GMT -5
We just need to get the media to ignore us next NCAAT. I think the upset pick talk got to the guys heads a bit. Maybe next year we have a full media blackout other then learning who our opponent is. There is nothing wrong with confidence/cockiness if it is genuine. The problem occurs if it is just a case of you trying to get yourself going and you really don't believe your words. I always believed in a 70/30 rule with bball players. That is 70% you can talk them out of their game and 30% you talk into their game. I believe Wright and Walker were part of the 30%. I expected Juggy and Chudi to be part of the 30% but not today. Juggy and Bile really surprised me today because I expected both to play similar to their norms. Morko has had confidence issues since soph yr so he didn't surprise me at all but normally Juggy can carry him until he gets in a flow. CU definitely took the talk and ran with it, props to them. My thinking in the original comment was that if this team just played their own game and did what they had been doing the past month, we would have seen a much closer game. In the end, that is what March is about. You don't have a ton of time to gameplan or familiarity with the opponent. Play your game and shut down their obvious strengths. We were solid on one of those but thought we were world beaters without the effort to beat the world.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 20, 2021 17:34:03 GMT -5
Rewatching some of Walker's 3s...Pat put Blair on him once Jahvon came off the bench and Blair just did not put the effort to close out. Maybe Pat and Jahvon thought he would cool down but I'll be happy to have a SG that plays on both ends of the court next year. Love everything he's given us and his loyalty to the hilltop but comon man.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 20, 2021 17:54:25 GMT -5
Well one of them made preseason all american 2nd team and one didn't.....sooooo That means nothing, but you know that. Z wasn't to Dante's level as a freshman. Not even close. Freshman versus senior at a high skill and high IQ position and they are close (if not considering Dante utterly owned Z and Z hand't faced defense like Dante and didn't have a clue to know what to do with it). Dante schooled him badly. Did you read my original post? I simply said that Zegarowski was a better PG than Mckinley and my second post was only support. Morko owned Mamau does that mean that Morko is the better player or a bad matchup for Mamau? The main point was Creighton and Colorado are similar in style and we should have been more competitive. If you think Wright is the better player, I'll give you that but nobody thinks now or thought at the beginning of the season that the gap between the two players was a canyon.
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Post by the_way on Mar 20, 2021 17:56:50 GMT -5
Tough day Really happy still - BET was great. And fun. And got me watching the team again. I hadn’t much this year to be transparent. Questions - Was it our bad defense - or where they just on fire? If we had been up in their face more - do they hit less 3s?The Timmy foul - it was for sure a flagrant 2 - but if they guy had gotten kicked out - do we think that materially changes things? The game wasn’t out of hand yet. Just sad - had dreams of a win and run. But we just ran into buzz saw and we didn’t play close to our best game. We played a game like December not March. Next year - can we build on the momentum? Are the recruits thst good? Fingers crossed It was a bad matchup and they were on fire. They exploited Q on defense by making him move, and we didn't have any answer. Q was the only one giving us anything on offense earlier in the game. But Colorado was willing to trade 2's for 3's, worst case scenario. They also had good depth and balance across the roster. They forced their hand on us defensively. Forced us into bad shots and we couldn't make anything from outside. The game was over in the 1st half.
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