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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2021 15:05:52 GMT -5
Co-sign this.
That’s a flagrant 2 all day long. Hands on neck and shoulders from behind and absolutely zero attempt to play the ball.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 20, 2021 15:10:03 GMT -5
Co-sign this. That’s a flagrant 2 all day long. Hands on neck and shoulders from behind and absolutely zero attempt to play the ball. In most jurisdictions that's at minimum misdemeanor assault and battery
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Post by saxagael on Mar 20, 2021 15:10:50 GMT -5
While the game wasn't as close nor the outcome I would have liked, what this team accomplished this year with so many things to over come (only 4 returning scholarship players with minutes, 5 or 6 freshmen, no summer play nor work, one of the last teams in the country to get in and practice losing 2 weeks, no continuity, no understanding of your teammates) and Ewing and the coaches pulled this team into a team that after the Covid break was amazing. But, also freshmen that were really rough early in the season and lacking summer and early year work that helps with transition to D1 and getting them to look solid is impressive. The BET run after the post-Covid break play wasn't fully surprising.
Also not having a player that looked capable of being a D1 point guard with Josh Harris not having the skills and not fully solid PG IQ and Dante Harris with the really good PG IQ but hadn't adjusted to D1 speed, length, nor intensity. Dante made that transition and took top level PG IQ and defensive chops, quickness, and vision and showed he is a D1 point guard, but also a top level D1 point guard (he has room to improve on shooting, but I wouldn't switch him for any other freshman point guard). The stretches with Carey running PG weren't needed nor Blair as neither have/had PG IQ (Carey improved by Blair didn't make any improvement - assists don't mean you are a point guard nor understand the basics). Having listened into quite a few sit downs with middle school and young high school players for the "PG talk" about transitioning to a good point guard with the one-to-one conversations done by 10+ NBA point guards (and players with 10+ NBA careers with some of the best PGs and at times bring that player in to have that "PG talk") Dante had every single on of those transitions to a full-on PG done.
Bile went from a player that many of us in the board couldn't understand what Patrick saw in him with poor decisions and not playing under control (nor seeming like he had had any decent coaching before arriving) and turning into a starter after the Covid break that earned him BE kudos. More importantly he turned into a good player that often helped (even if his shot wasn't always going he could get shooting streaks going) and provided solid defense.
Pickett went from a player who grew 3 to 4 inches after arriving at Georgetown (came in at 6'6" an is listed at 6'9" but eye to eye with 6'10" opponents) and that makes for shooting messes for any player growing, but in college that is tough. Pickett struggled his first 3 years with consistency and confidence, but also wasn't all that solid on defense. This year Pickett has stretches where he was consistent in games and had confidence, but also was a really good defender who made loud good players go quiet. Between Dante and Pickett they were two of the better defenders in the BE. That is seriously great improvement. Pickett put in the work every summer away from the program and the work was paying off. He developed a really good dribble and pull up jumper with a really nice NBA soft bank shot from mid-range sides that are really tough to block, but defenses took away his spots at times and they defended him well outside. He also became a solid rebounder, which was something he struggled with in prior years and didn't seem to have interest in doing it. Pickett is a player I'm really proud of, even if he didn't fully turn the corner on offense, he showed a lot of improvement and put in an insane amount of work.
Q improved an insane amount and has build out large chunks of his game, with some coming in season, which is tough to do. Q still has a lot of things to work on, particularly defending in and out and improving on passing out of post (which he went from not doing at all, to doing some, to doing an okay job of). Add a jumper to his offense and even more of a beast mentality dunking will be great.
Tim made a big in season improvement last season going from a likely redshirt project to needed for relief minutes, but proving he offered more than that as the season went on. But, at the start of this year it didn't seem like he retained any of that in season growth from last year and with no summer work or play he reverted to his form prior to last year's progress. This year it took him time to get back to close to his prior year's form and has been good on defense down the stretch, but needs to put in work on the offensive side. If possible next year could be a good time for him to get that red shirt year in and lean on Wilson as back-up to Q and Mutumbo. He needs the growth and work on skills with out the pressure, which he hasn't really had. He has a good ceiling, but need times to make improvement steps.
Blair, was shifting into roles that are out of his capabilities that took away from his strengths of set outside (deep) shooting, head on basket floaters, and running PNR, but needed the ball out of his hands other than that, which he wasn't grasping. Ewing repeatedly talked about his frustration with Blair doing good things and doing things he knew he shouldn't do, but did anyway. After Covid break Blair started putting in effort on defense on most every play, which he never did in the prior three years (he seemed to have a "defense isn't my job" mentality), also following the defensive schemes Patrick was laying out, and sticking with his man. That was awesome. But when teams took away his offense by defending him tightly he would also grow uninterested in playing defense as well. This last shift seemed to have Blair sit out a game (not dressed) as a "coaching decision" and only coming off the bench after that. Blair was a good player to come off the bench after seeing what the other team was giving and covering he was coming in and playing into what the other team was giving. Blair as a freshman was always in panic mode, but showed some skill at shooting. This year Blair's set shooting was really good and did a great job driving when defenders gave him space for a move and a gap. I'm really happy with Blair's improvement in four years and the good skills he brought this year getting buckets.
Carey came in as a grad transfer with two years of eligibility and was set to be a role filler and mature player as a shooter. Josh Harris injury shifted him into helping at point to get across half court, but he didn't have PG skills (developed there a little). But, proved to be a good shooter, which is what he came into do. Carey turned into a starter who could capably defend, but hasn't had great speed nor quickness, but improved on that a little (or worked on how to make that not a limitation). Seeing him put in work on non-ball improvement last year showed him to be a better player than he was at Sienna where he was a get down court and sit and shoot player. Carey is good depth and dependable. He has a good knack for drawing fouls on 3 point shots and making his FTs.
I'm a huge fan of this team and coaches and proud of all of them top to bottom. They weren't given any freaking chance nor credit and showed the the basketball pundits don't understand what they talk about. I'm looking forward to what comes next and everything for years to come.
HOYA SAXA!
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 20, 2021 15:12:34 GMT -5
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Post by saxagael on Mar 20, 2021 15:15:08 GMT -5
Love you Zeke, but Wright is a vastly superior PG to Z. He might not be a better scorer or shooter than Z, but he’s is an infinitely better facilitator and defender. Well one of them made preseason all american 2nd team and one didn't.....sooooo That means nothing, but you know that. Z wasn't to Dante's level as a freshman. Not even close. Freshman versus senior at a high skill and high IQ position and they are close (if not considering Dante utterly owned Z and Z hand't faced defense like Dante and didn't have a clue to know what to do with it). Dante schooled him badly.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2021 15:16:18 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see on social media which players are in the gym working tomorrow.
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Post by saxagael on Mar 20, 2021 15:17:26 GMT -5
I use to be this way in the upset losses. This game was gravy and this is what I expected so no depression. You expected a beat down? I've seen enough Colorado and Mckinley Wright over the last 3yrs to resign myself to the likelihood of a loss but a snoozer that Colorado could rest their starters with 6mins left.... nope didn't see that coming....but I'm starting to feel better now....🌅 McKinley has been really good. The second half of the season Walker was the points guy and McKiley created for him.
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Post by saxagael on Mar 20, 2021 15:20:51 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see on social media which players are in the gym working tomorrow. Travel and rest day tomorrow. Monday is gym day. I was suprised Thursday how many D1 players were back home in DC area in the gym getting runs and work in.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 20, 2021 15:22:27 GMT -5
carey pickett and bile still on the floor. unreal Friend, you posted zero times during the Big East final against Creighton, twice in the days since, and ... have posted 15 times during this game. Tells us all we need to know. I bet 97's health miraculously improves today as well! For what it’s worth, my cast came off on Thursday but I decided not to jump back in because nobody is really interested in what I have to say unless its some sort of big apology about how wrong I was. Let me just say this, it’s possible to be happy about what happened last week and see some glimmers of hope yet still be skeptical that all of the sudden everything is better and “we are back!” We’ll see what happens but beware of small sample sizes (and recent ones at that).
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 20, 2021 15:23:45 GMT -5
Even the most optimistic of us knew this was a (deeply) flawed team. All of those flaws were on display today.
Our 5 was a liability against an athletic team and couldn't consistently take advantage of mismatches the other way. Tim was poor in his time in there (as he has been not infrequently). Q was OK overall....but a huge liability on D and not good enough on O to make up for it.
We got sucked in on D almost an incredible amount. We saw that a ton early on in the season. The 1-5 PNR has been a huge problem for Ewing teams forever and it killed us tonight.
We couldn't keep guys in front of us at the beginning of the year. Same tonight.
Pickett was at his inconsistent worst. Forcing when he should have passed. Passing when he should have shot. I love the kid, and I wish him all the best. But he's just been an enigma for four years!
Blair? Look, his limitations are what they are. He is an indifferent defender. If he's not creating shots for himself he is a liability there too.
And, of course, on top of it, they shot the lights out. Happens.
Everyone returning needs to improve. Dante needs to get more consistent on his J and better at finishing through traffic. Q needs to improve on D so that he at least isn't a liability in matchups against smaller players. And keep working on secondary moves as well as face up game.
Pat needs to improve his in game adjustments. He needs to develop a bit more motion into the offense. I don't mind all the NBA sets. I'd just like us to have a standard motion look on top of them all to create a bit more movement.
We should be better next year. We need to be. It's a critical year. The most critical in five or more years. If we don't build on this...if we take a step back....oh boy.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 20, 2021 15:25:09 GMT -5
Hope Carey comes back and Ewing figures out how to run plays for him. The man can shoot.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 20, 2021 15:36:55 GMT -5
What a disgrace that Walker was not kicked out. There is no excuse for that. That foul on Timmy was very flagrant and not even close to a basketball play. I care not what the new version of the absurd rules calls fouls like that these days- that was not okay and is the type of play that ought to get you booted from any game.
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Post by saxagael on Mar 20, 2021 15:37:39 GMT -5
Hope Carey comes back and Ewing figures out how to run plays for him. The man can shoot. Carey came in with the understanding he would be playing 2 years. That said Hoyas are currently one scholarship over the max for next year. This will be something to watch.
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Post by the_way on Mar 20, 2021 15:39:18 GMT -5
Even the most optimistic of us knew this was a (deeply) flawed team. All of those flaws were on display today. Our 5 was a liability against an athletic team and couldn't consistently take advantage of mismatches the other way. Tim was poor in his time in there (as he has been not infrequently). Q was OK overall....but a huge liability on D and not good enough on O to make up for it. We got sucked in on D almost an incredible amount. We saw that a ton early on in the season. The 1-5 PNR has been a huge problem for Ewing teams forever and it killed us tonight. We couldn't keep guys in front of us at the beginning of the year. Same tonight. Pickett was at his inconsistent worst. Forcing when he should have passed. Passing when he should have shot. I love the kid, and I wish him all the best. But he's just been an enigma for four years! Blair? Look, his limitations are what they are. He is an indifferent defender. If he's not creating shots for himself he is a liability there too. And, of course, on top of it, they shot the lights out. Happens. Everyone returning needs to improve. Dante needs to get more consistent on his J and better at finishing through traffic. Q needs to improve on D so that he at least isn't a liability in matchups against smaller players. And keep working on secondary moves as well as face up game. Pat needs to improve his in game adjustments. He needs to develop a bit more motion into the offense. I don't mind all the NBA sets. I'd just like us to have a standard motion look on top of them all to create a bit more movement. We should be better next year. We need to be. It's a critical year. The most critical in five or more years. If we don't build on this...if we take a step back....oh boy. Q is what he is. He is a traditional big where he defends in the paint. Having him defend in open space might always be a problem. Ewing needs better personnel/more options to go to in times when there is a mismatch. Colorado knew he didn't. When we couldn't hit outside shots or generate good shots on the perimeter, they had us. Agreed about the motion on offense. You can see the difference in teams today. Colorado was fluid on offense. Not lot of wasted dribbles or iso's. Just good movement with and without the ball by players, all in sync.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 20, 2021 15:47:22 GMT -5
What a disgrace that Walker was not kicked out. There is no excuse for that. That foul on Timmy was very flagrant and not even close to a basketball play. I care not what the new version of the absurd rules calls fouls like that these days- that was not okay and is the type of play that ought to get you booted from any game. Regular season, he is out. Refs didn’t have the balls to make the call. Ultimately, wouldn’t have mattered. hm
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 20, 2021 15:52:25 GMT -5
What specifically are your issues with him defensively? Also what would you have him work on in the off-season to improve on the defensive end? His big issue early in the season was out of position and reaching that lead to more fouls than minutes. He was abandoning his man. But, more importantly he plays with his weight back not on the balls of his feet, which means he isn't in position to adjust at all and gets blown by, but also means he has to play farther off his man. His footwork on defense also needs work (some is the problem is weight back) as isn't remotely ready for direction change and insanely easy to cross and get by him. Simiar problems to what McClung had (and still has and at Tech he isn't really putting in any effort), but TJ showing he is working on it and has gone from horrible to okay, but still needs to work on moving his weight forward so he can better transition. He doesn't defend well with his feet well, but playing off he is adjusting far better than he was. He needs to study what Dante does as he is textbook great defend with your feet defense and weight distribution. Part of TJ's issue earlier in the season was he had very little defensive IQ and didn't seem to know basics of where to be, what to do and when, nor positioning on ball nor off ball. He as grown his defensive IQ and in the right place and putting in the effort. Now it is growing on that foundation. The Creighton game (I think) he had 11 minutes with 1 foul, that was insanely good improvement from where he was early in the season. That is a great tribute to TJ, but also great coaching. Hoyas have never been good teaching skills techniques (offense nor defense) until the last two or three years. Reads like you believe he improved overall on the defensive end as the season went on, that should give us some hope that he has a chance to be a contributor in the next season or two... Who knows what the future holds but I hope Berger stays...
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Post by reformation on Mar 20, 2021 15:58:23 GMT -5
Overall looking forward to infusion of new talent next year. Making the tourney the way we did at least got us a jolt of positive publicity which has to be better than anything we've had in almost a decade even if we were totally exposed today.
I think one thing that's gotten overlooked in preparing the team for today is that the BE was very weak this year. None of the BE teams really seem to have a lot of talent, a good player here or there but that is it. Colorado was in a different league in terms of ind talent and team efficiency.
I think making the touney allows us to set goals higher, even despite today's blowout. I still think PE needs some asst coaching help + also needs to recruit some more shooters. To get to next level we need some guys who are athletes and shooters, not just one or the other and figure that they can all develop.
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 20, 2021 16:03:34 GMT -5
What a disgrace that Walker was not kicked out. There is no excuse for that. That foul on Timmy was very flagrant and not even close to a basketball play. I care not what the new version of the absurd rules calls fouls like that these days- that was not okay and is the type of play that ought to get you booted from any game. Agree. And the analyst Lappas originally said he thought a flagrant 2.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 20, 2021 16:06:48 GMT -5
We were beaten by a team that was clicking on all cylinders. The wide open threes killed us. They are a very good team.
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Post by the_way on Mar 20, 2021 16:09:12 GMT -5
Overall looking forward to infusion of new talent next year. Making the tourney the way we did at least got us a jolt of positive publicity which has to be better than anything we've had in almost a decade even if we were totally exposed today. I think one thing that's gotten overlooked in preparing the team for today is that the BE was very weak this year. None of the BE teams really seem to have a lot of talent, a good player here or there but that is it. Colorado was in a different league in terms of ind talent and team efficiency. I think making the touney allows us to set goals higher, even despite today's blowout. I still think PE needs some asst coaching help + also needs to recruit some more shooters. To get to next level we need some guys who are athletes and shooters, not just one or the other and figure that they can all develop. I think the team efficiency is a good point. The efficiency (due to coaching) of Colorado stunned the players a little bit. They threw us off our game in the 1st with their efficiency. I wouldn't mind having a team like Colorado. Not necessarily great athleticism, but good enough. Good depth. Fluid motion on offense. Solid defense. Smart and fundamental play. Everybody having fun on the court.
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