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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2020 12:01:33 GMT -5
It is not. Duke is about as laid back as high tea. If you say so. But I have to think that a kid from the projects in Oakland or New Orleans or from a small town in SW Virginia has to feel intimidated by the GU on and off campus environment. I have taken many friends from my small Pa. town to GU and they remark on the preppy atmosphere as compared to larger state schools like Penn State or smaller Pa private schools like Villanova. Like I've said, I hope I'm wrong and that either a dynamite recruiting class or new coach will magically turn things around. It can be turned around quickly (like other programs have done). It’s not rocket science. Build it (a winning program) and they (the students) will come. Remember how hopeful the students were when Pat was hired? I don’t know about others here, but take it from someone who also has friends and family with current GU students, that’s gone now.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2020 12:05:35 GMT -5
I think the future of the program is to MOVE. I don’t know where they are moving to. I just know that the one thing I hear the most is Ewing yelling for them to move. I’m not sure the kids know where they are moving either but the better MOVE. Oh and REBOUND. Looking forward to hearing what Wright shouts in McD this Friday...
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Post by Elvado on Dec 8, 2020 12:15:44 GMT -5
That could get ugly early...
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Post by the_way on Dec 8, 2020 14:59:50 GMT -5
It is not. Duke is about as laid back as high tea. If you say so. But I have to think that a kid from the projects in Oakland or New Orleans or from a small town in SW Virginia has to feel intimidated by the GU on and off campus environment. I have taken many friends from my small Pa. town to GU and they remark on the preppy atmosphere as compared to larger state schools like Penn State or smaller Pa private schools like Villanova. Like I've said, I hope I'm wrong and that either a dynamite recruiting class or new coach will magically turn things around. That is all a part of the educational experience. Being exposed to new things, new environments, people. JT2 was a big proponent of it. College is a culture shock for a lot of students, now matter where you were raised. Being on your own for the first time, etc. G-town is located in a city where a young adult will have no problem finding social activity if the city-life or living around it is your thing. If you are from the inner-city, you shouldn't have a problem at all. If you are from a small town where the pace is slower and quiet with one traffic light, then the city might be intimidating. Some people prefer campuses located in the middle of nowhere or a college town. Some guys from the city want to get away and go to a college town. It just depends. But none of this is hurting our recruiting.
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Post by hoya59er on Dec 8, 2020 16:53:59 GMT -5
I am eager to see tonight's game. I would hope we have no problem with Coppin State. Just love watching our Hoyas no matter who we are playing. Interesting though, at this stage I do not have a favorite player(s), which is unusual for me. There have always been guys I've loved rooting for, e.g., in recent times - J Green, Otto, Moseley, T. Allen, Clark, P Ewing Jr, numerous others.
I like Blair and hope he has a great year, ditto Wahab and Timmy. I have expected Pickett to be way more of a factor considering his natural talents and size, but he really has not been the factor I expected and hoped for.
Different topic: I have been disappointed in our foul shooting. Blair seems to be the only one we can count on. If the foul shooting does not become consistent, in view of our other problems, I am inclined to blame the coach......make the guys practice free throws till they are close to 80%, get them a mental coach, whatever. Am I wrong?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 8, 2020 19:39:33 GMT -5
Ewing's biggest issue is that he hasn't gotten talent to Georgetown. End of story. You can recruit these fringe four star kids all you want, but you need elite, top tier talent if you want to succeed in college basketball. Are there other ways to do it? Yes, but the subset of the schools that succeed in winning without top tier talent is small and inconsistent. Well, he got the talent, but failed to keep them. Same result though. We can say we’re not DePaul all we want, but the years after years of results tell the true story. This is a program that hasn’t made the tournament in half a decade with no end in sight for that streak. It’s very sad to see. We really didn't get talent. Akinjo turned out to be a good player but who is the highest rated player that Ewing has signed? Pickett? That's a fringe top 100 guy. You have to sign legit talents. Top 50 kids supplemented with other four stars. The kids who are our best signees should be the third or fourth best signee in a class. It's not that hard. I'm pretty clued in to the grassroots basketball circuit and half of the kids that we sign, I've never even heard of. Ewing's classes have been pathetic, even before you consider the attrition.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 8, 2020 19:43:14 GMT -5
Well, he got the talent, but failed to keep them. Same result though. We can say we’re not DePaul all we want, but the years after years of results tell the true story. This is a program that hasn’t made the tournament in half a decade with no end in sight for that streak. It’s very sad to see. We really didn't get talent. Akinjo turned out to be a good player but who is the highest rated player that Ewing has signed? Pickett? That's a fringe top 100 guy. You have to sign legit talents. Top 50 kids supplemented with other four stars. The kids who are our best signees should be the third or fourth best signee in a class. It's not that hard. I'm pretty clued in to the grassroots basketball circuit and half of the kids that we sign, I've never even heard of. Ewing's classes have been pathetic, even before you consider the attrition. I agree obviously in theory that we are very void of talent and you must recruit well... Top 50 means nothing. They have to be the right pieces. Name for me all the top 50 kids Creighton has had over the last 5 years?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 8, 2020 21:14:09 GMT -5
We really didn't get talent. Akinjo turned out to be a good player but who is the highest rated player that Ewing has signed? Pickett? That's a fringe top 100 guy. You have to sign legit talents. Top 50 kids supplemented with other four stars. The kids who are our best signees should be the third or fourth best signee in a class. It's not that hard. I'm pretty clued in to the grassroots basketball circuit and half of the kids that we sign, I've never even heard of. Ewing's classes have been pathetic, even before you consider the attrition. I agree obviously in theory that we are very void of talent and you must recruit well... Top 50 means nothing. They have to be the right pieces. Name for me all the top 50 kids Creighton has had over the last 5 years? Again, I'm not saying it's the only way. It's just the easiest way. And the other ways have not worked out under Ewing.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 8, 2020 21:23:09 GMT -5
About all this star discussion...keep in mind that those services are typically projecting to the NBA, not CBB. Give a guy like Sibley 2-3 years to add 15-25 lbs and refine some skills and he has a shot at the NBA. It's all projection though, hes gotta earn more time. Good to see him tonight but I do wonder if those late minutes did come at the expense of Kobe due to injury.
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Post by wrestlemania on Dec 9, 2020 14:14:57 GMT -5
[/quote]Agree, it’s year four of a rebuild and somehow playing hard and keeping it somewhat close against a pretty good team is cause for celebration. This is not good and the sooner we get a wholesale change, the sooner we might be relevant again. [/quote]
But that's the problem -- wholesale change is exactly what Georgetown doesn't want. This is why they have "kept it in the family" for the past twenty-odd years. I want Patrick to succeed, but my understanding is that they were ready to hand him the job as soon as his application fell out of the envelope. Apparently they gave no thought to the track record of other NBA guys in college (take a bow Chris Mullin, Danny Manning, Clyde Drexler, Avery Johnson, Reggie Theus, etc.) and that Patrick's complete inexperience as a head coach on any level might not be helpful. The administration's fear of strangers and institutional ego (other schools may have to sell themselves to potential candidates, but Georgetown doesn't do that sort of thing) have fueled the decline as much as anything else.
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Post by hoya59er on Dec 12, 2020 14:17:38 GMT -5
I sure hope I'm wrong. I love Hoya basketball, but am very concerned about our future. Great start last night - but 17 points in the second half? Come on! That is pathetic, like the St Johns game in the BE tourney last year, when the Johnnies scored the last 23 points in the game.
We don't have a ton of talent, that is for sure. But that aside, are we well-coached? Can Ewing coach us up. I hope so, as I liked him very much as a player and a person. Am now wondering if he is way over his head.
Next year, if we play at the Cap One Center there will be no one at the games. We are quickly losing our fan base. This is a grave concern.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 12, 2020 16:54:31 GMT -5
If you say so. But I have to think that a kid from the projects in Oakland or New Orleans or from a small town in SW Virginia has to feel intimidated by the GU on and off campus environment. I have taken many friends from my small Pa. town to GU and they remark on the preppy atmosphere as compared to larger state schools like Penn State or smaller Pa private schools like Villanova. Like I've said, I hope I'm wrong and that either a dynamite recruiting class or new coach will magically turn things around. That is all a part of the educational experience. Being exposed to new things, new environments, people. JT2 was a big proponent of it. College is a culture shock for a lot of students, now matter where you were raised. Being on your own for the first time, etc. G-town is located in a city where a young adult will have no problem finding social activity if the city-life or living around it is your thing. If you are from the inner-city, you shouldn't have a problem at all. If you are from a small town where the pace is slower and quiet with one traffic light, then the city might be intimidating. Some people prefer campuses located in the middle of nowhere or a college town. Some guys from the city want to get away and go to a college town. It just depends. But none of this is hurting our recruiting. One of the scariest experiences of my life to that point was walking alone down M Street for the first time around 2pm on a Friday afternoon in early September of my freshman year.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 12, 2020 22:36:17 GMT -5
Next year, if we play at the Cap One Center there will be no one at the games. I’ll be there!
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 14, 2020 11:02:32 GMT -5
Last night gave me/us a glimpse of the future, it definitely has promise...
My hope is that the staff continues to play the youngsters as much as possible the rest of the way...
As others have posted Blair, D. Harris, Carey & Berger should get the bulk of the backcourt minutes...
I gett that Sibley hasn't shown much & Clark is hurt right now, its just painful to watch Bile play right now...
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Post by drquigley on Dec 14, 2020 11:40:39 GMT -5
That is all a part of the educational experience. Being exposed to new things, new environments, people. JT2 was a big proponent of it. College is a culture shock for a lot of students, now matter where you were raised. Being on your own for the first time, etc. G-town is located in a city where a young adult will have no problem finding social activity if the city-life or living around it is your thing. If you are from the inner-city, you shouldn't have a problem at all. If you are from a small town where the pace is slower and quiet with one traffic light, then the city might be intimidating. Some people prefer campuses located in the middle of nowhere or a college town. Some guys from the city want to get away and go to a college town. It just depends. But none of this is hurting our recruiting. One of the scariest experiences of my life to that point was walking alone down M Street for the first time around 2pm on a Friday afternoon in early September of my freshman year. I felt the same way walking by the Healy building during freshman orientation. But the point I'm trying to make is that back then (1964) I could hang with lots of guys who came from the same socio-economic background and were dealing with the same concerns. I fear that today's kids coming from low income households (white as well as black) don't have that luxury. I remember the guys who played polo and had cars and didn't have to wait tables at Clydes or the Tombs, or Chadwicks or Old Mac's or the Cellar Door in order to help pay tuition. We derisively called them "Hoyas". But over 60% of today's kids parents are paying full tuition. These kids (maybe some on this Board) come from elite high schools and enjoyed a privileged upper class childhood. Yes the college experience is supposed to expose you the kids from different parts of the country and different cultures. But I believe the income inequality that is tearing this country apart is also impacting the educational experience at many private Catholic colleges.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 14, 2020 12:54:40 GMT -5
That may well be a valid point and an interesting discussion regarding Georgetown as an institution, in general, but as others have said, it's every bit as true (if not more so) at places like Villanova and Duke. It's not the reason that we're struggling as a basketball program.
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 13:20:18 GMT -5
It doesn't even have to be private Catholic colleges. If you come from a poor background and step foot on the campus of a Power 5 school (or Power 6 with basketball), you are going to run into students who have money, their own cars, tuition covered, privileged background etc.
This should affect just about any school's recruiting if that were the case. It is not an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 13:56:56 GMT -5
That is all a part of the educational experience. Being exposed to new things, new environments, people. JT2 was a big proponent of it. College is a culture shock for a lot of students, now matter where you were raised. Being on your own for the first time, etc. G-town is located in a city where a young adult will have no problem finding social activity if the city-life or living around it is your thing. If you are from the inner-city, you shouldn't have a problem at all. If you are from a small town where the pace is slower and quiet with one traffic light, then the city might be intimidating. Some people prefer campuses located in the middle of nowhere or a college town. Some guys from the city want to get away and go to a college town. It just depends. But none of this is hurting our recruiting. One of the scariest experiences of my life to that point was walking alone down M Street for the first time around 2pm on a Friday afternoon in early September of my freshman year. I bet you were scared of your own shadow weren't you??
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Dec 14, 2020 13:57:17 GMT -5
It doesn't even have to be private Catholic colleges. If you come from a poor background and step foot on the campus of a Power 5 school (or Power 6 with basketball), you are going to run into students who have money, their own cars, tuition covered, privileged background etc. This should affect just about any school's recruiting if that were the case. It is not an issue. theway, I get your point. Nevertheless, GU is an outlier across the entire spectrum of American colleges when it comes to undergraduate family income/wealth (see the enclosed link from the NYT). www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/georgetown-universityWhen GU is 8th of 2,395 colleges in median family income and 10th out of the same group in share of top 1% of income, I'd argue that a GU student-athlete has a radically different experience than a state school athlete (think LSU or OSU) encountering a typically small sample of rich kids. It goes more to the undergraduate experience and on-campus culture that a concentration of well-off and academically highly-driven students creates. Just my $.02.....
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 14, 2020 14:16:20 GMT -5
One of the scariest experiences of my life to that point was walking alone down M Street for the first time around 2pm on a Friday afternoon in early September of my freshman year. I bet you were scared of your own shadow weren't you?? Nope, but DC was definitely different than home. I hadn’t even visited campus before freshman orientation
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