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Post by bornhoya on Dec 7, 2020 6:46:01 GMT -5
Ewing's biggest issue is that he hasn't gotten talent to Georgetown. End of story. You can recruit these fringe four star kids all you want, but you need elite, top tier talent if you want to succeed in college basketball. Are there other ways to do it? Yes, but the subset of the schools that succeed in winning without top tier talent is small and inconsistent. Or you have to out coach or out scheme teams and we definitely don’t do that
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Post by TC on Dec 7, 2020 7:17:01 GMT -5
Ewing's biggest issue is that he hasn't gotten talent to Georgetown. End of story. You can recruit these fringe four star kids all you want, but you need elite, top tier talent if you want to succeed in college basketball. Are there other ways to do it? Yes, but the subset of the schools that succeed in winning without top tier talent is small and inconsistent. Your definition of succeed is a lot different from mine - it'd be nice if we could consistently make the NCAA tournament, maybe 3 out of every 4 years. Every other team in the Big East manages that except for Georgetown, St. John's and DePaul. That doesn't take 5* talent, and it's very possible to do that in the Big East without 5* talent that we are never going to get.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 7, 2020 7:50:16 GMT -5
We had the individual talent to compete at a high level at the beginning of last season. Player retention is important. It’s hard to ask role players to step up and become stars.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 7, 2020 8:02:34 GMT -5
It seems like Ewing doesn't really coach. I watched the Nova game and the Georgetown game today. Jay Wright is constantly shouting out play calls. Unless they're running in transition Gillespie pauses near midcourt as Nova sets up whatever play or whatever offense Wright called. Georgetown guards run up the floor like chickens with their heads cut off because there is no plan. Only times the TV shows Ewing he's complaining about a call or about a mistake/turnover. When West Virginia needed a bucket they called a play, got a mismatch or open look and usually scored. When we scored big buckets it was because Blair either got himself open off the ball or on the dribble and threw up a three. We need to stop trying to play like a pro team in college, and we need Ewing to coach like a college basketball coach or go back to the NBA. Also depressing seeing comments on Georgetown social media saying "we did well for playing a top 25 team". If our program is ok with losing at home by 10 to West Virginia and calling it a good effort I'm done. We're not DePaul there are no morale victories for a program like Georgetown. I guess I'm the crazy one and should align my expectations with what we currently are, which is a mid major team and athletic department playing in a high major conference. Agree, it’s year four of a rebuild and somehow playing hard and keeping it somewhat close against a pretty good team is cause for celebration. This is not good and the sooner we get a wholesale change, the sooner we might be relevant again.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 7, 2020 8:19:39 GMT -5
We had the individual talent to compete at a high level at the beginning of last season. Player retention is important. It’s hard to ask role players to step up and become stars. Yes agree with these comments, but would add that what has yet to be determined is whether Ewing can combine talent with on court chemistry. While his recruiting has been inconsistent, he has found talent. Yet, questions arise as to how he has used that talent and whether he can develop it into a cohesive unit. His decision to give McClung and Akinjo the green light during their time in the program totally disrupted the on-court chemistry. But for the transfers and injuries, Allen and Blair were afterthoughts during games and Mosley and Pickett were on the floor but more as bystanders. Still wanting to see if the transformation last year from "me" to "we" was only by necessity or part of what will be come Ewing's coaching mantra.
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 7, 2020 10:05:23 GMT -5
It seems like Ewing doesn't really coach. I watched the Nova game and the Georgetown game today. Jay Wright is constantly shouting out play calls. Unless they're running in transition Gillespie pauses near midcourt as Nova sets up whatever play or whatever offense Wright called. Georgetown guards run up the floor like chickens with their heads cut off because there is no plan. Only times the TV shows Ewing he's complaining about a call or about a mistake/turnover. When West Virginia needed a bucket they called a play, got a mismatch or open look and usually scored. When we scored big buckets it was because Blair either got himself open off the ball or on the dribble and threw up a three. We need to stop trying to play like a pro team in college, and we need Ewing to coach like a college basketball coach or go back to the NBA. Also depressing seeing comments on Georgetown social media saying "we did well for playing a top 25 team". If our program is ok with losing at home by 10 to West Virginia and calling it a good effort I'm done. We're not DePaul there are no morale victories for a program like Georgetown. I guess I'm the crazy one and should align my expectations with what we currently are, which is a mid major team and athletic department playing in a high major conference. I'm all for fair criticisms of the current staff....but I can't behind the statement that Ewing doesn't really coach. He is absolutely barking out plays every time down the court. You see the players looking over for the call. If anything, they have to do that too much because Ewing isn't really running an offensive system, it's more like distinct and different sets so they need to know which one Ewing wants. You can even hear him on the broadcast at this point without fans. On dead balls you see him talking to the PG about what he wants run next time down the court. I'm a little tired of him just yelling rebound every time on defense but you see the entire staff engaged trying to call out shooters. I saw Ewing motioning to Jalen Harris that he needs to help Q when he's double teamed to be an outlet. We've gotten Blair some decent corner 3 looks on ATO's under the basket (ignoring the one where Tim I and Bile ran into each other). Now if you want to say we don't make enough adjustments in game, sure. If you want to criticize some of the planning and defensive system, have at it. The rotations aren't particuarly balanced. But Ewing is 100% trying. If you want to see a coach not try, just go back and watch Chris Mullin lounge on the scorers table during those St. Johns game. I agree that it's depressing we're mostly pleased with a loss to a top team but given the talent level difference (again go nuts and criticize Ewing for recruiting and state of roster) I think Ewing did a decent job getting the team ready to fight and keep it competitive. The practices after the Navy game couldn't have been fun.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 7, 2020 13:25:32 GMT -5
Counterpoint, Duke has managed just fine despite being the same kind of place as Georgetown. Never been to Duke. Have to wonder if Durham NC isn't more laid back and welcoming than DC and Georgetown. It is not. Duke is about as laid back as high tea.
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Post by royski on Dec 7, 2020 17:14:36 GMT -5
Ewing's biggest issue is that he hasn't gotten talent to Georgetown. End of story. You can recruit these fringe four star kids all you want, but you need elite, top tier talent if you want to succeed in college basketball. Are there other ways to do it? Yes, but the subset of the schools that succeed in winning without top tier talent is small and inconsistent. Well, he got the talent, but failed to keep them. Same result though. We can say we’re not DePaul all we want, but the years after years of results tell the true story. This is a program that hasn’t made the tournament in half a decade with no end in sight for that streak. It’s very sad to see.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 7, 2020 22:06:52 GMT -5
Numbers don’t lie, people do.
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Post by wsdhoya on Dec 8, 2020 0:26:12 GMT -5
Ewing's biggest issue is that he hasn't gotten talent to Georgetown. End of story. You can recruit these fringe four star kids all you want, but you need elite, top tier talent if you want to succeed in college basketball. Are there other ways to do it? Yes, but the subset of the schools that succeed in winning without top tier talent is small and inconsistent. I disagree. Recruiting rankings do not determine the success of a college program. A college coach's first responsibility on the job is to create a culture and a system. As McClung made clear in interviews post transfer, the culture is toxic so Ewing has failed miserably in that regard. Second responsibility is a system or an identity on the court. This could be, for example, five out offense, Princeton offense, 2-3 zone defense, something that is a staple that recruits can be plugged in to. These 18 year old kids that Georgetown is landing are not just going to come in and beat experienced, well coached teams playing hero ball. Jay Wright built Nova on the idea of hammering in fundamentals to his players, and once they have that down they can exercise more freedom on offense. We have no fundamentals and no offensive plan. It is honestly comical seeing our guards time and time again dribble in circles, run at the rim late in the clock, and turn it over because we literally do not have an offense. How ridiculous is it that after three or four years of Ewing we have yet to see our team run an offense. It's honesty incredible! We need a real college basketball coach but to be honest I do not even care anymore. The school has changed, the students don't care at all about basketball, the administration doesn't care, and the alumni will be next to stop caring and in a few years everybody will forget Georgetown was once a proud program. It's not the school it was in the 80s and 90s. It's all academics all the time. What Georgetown was 30 years ago Villanova is now in almost every sense of the word in basketball and as a school. A family friend is a junior at Georgetown and is a huge sports fan. He's been there for two basketball seasons and he told us most of his friends have never gone to a game, him included.
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 8, 2020 7:01:32 GMT -5
One of Patrick’s Knick teammates used to scream “Make em FEEL YOU” in the pregame huddle. For a man who played with John Starks (the pregame screamer), Oakley, Mason in the pros & won a NCAA championship on a team with Gene Smith, Fred Brown & The LEGENDARY MICHAEL GRAHAM it boggles my mind the team has shown little defensive INTENSITY, PHYSICALITY & INTIMIDATION.
Against Navy down 6 late a perimeter Navy player breaks the press & glides untouched to the glass for a majestic layup....right in front of a 6’11” Wahab that had less than 4 fouls and by all means should have stopped the layup in a forceful way.
Villanova was mentioned a few posts back. I don’t know how much screaming on the sideline means in terms of great coaching but Villanova embodies the “make em feel you” mantra. Villanova fouls on every defensive play in the form of grabs, hand checks and steering of opposing players. It is disruptive & annoying. It also works. Opponents “feel” them every time down the court.
Defense also travels & doesn’t go into slumps.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 8, 2020 7:51:08 GMT -5
One of Patrick’s Knick teammates used to scream “Make em FEEL YOU” in the pregame huddle. For a man who played with John Starks (the pregame screamer), Oakley, Mason in the pros & won a NCAA championship on a team with Gene Smith, Fred Brown & The LEGENDARY MICHAEL GRAHAM it boggles my mind the team has shown little defensive INTENSITY, PHYSICALITY & INTIMIDATION. Against Navy down 6 late a perimeter Navy player breaks the press & glides untouched to the glass for a majestic layup....right in front of a 6’11” Wahab that had less than 4 fouls and by all means should have stopped the layup in a forceful way. Villanova was mentioned a few posts back. I don’t know how much screaming on the sideline means in terms of great coaching but Villanova embodies the “make em feel you” mantra. Villanova fouls on every defensive play in the form of grabs, hand checks and steering of opposing players. It is disruptive & annoying. It also works. Opponents “feel” them every time down the court. Defense also travels & doesn’t go into slumps. Well said. It must drive Pat crazy that our team has zero edge to it.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 8, 2020 9:16:01 GMT -5
Villanova doesn't have "edge". They have better players.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Dec 8, 2020 9:44:12 GMT -5
Villanova doesn't have "edge". They have better players. They have both - query whether you need one for the other.
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 8, 2020 10:21:48 GMT -5
I despise Villanova but watch them play. They could (and should) be called for a hand check every defensive possession.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 8, 2020 10:42:03 GMT -5
Ewing's biggest issue is that he hasn't gotten talent to Georgetown. End of story. You can recruit these fringe four star kids all you want, but you need elite, top tier talent if you want to succeed in college basketball. Are there other ways to do it? Yes, but the subset of the schools that succeed in winning without top tier talent is small and inconsistent. I disagree. Recruiting rankings do not determine the success of a college program. A college coach's first responsibility on the job is to create a culture and a system. As McClung made clear in interviews post transfer, the culture is toxic so Ewing has failed miserably in that regard. Second responsibility is a system or an identity on the court. This could be, for example, five out offense, Princeton offense, 2-3 zone defense, something that is a staple that recruits can be plugged in to. These 18 year old kids that Georgetown is landing are not just going to come in and beat experienced, well coached teams playing hero ball. Jay Wright built Nova on the idea of hammering in fundamentals to his players, and once they have that down they can exercise more freedom on offense. We have no fundamentals and no offensive plan. It is honestly comical seeing our guards time and time again dribble in circles, run at the rim late in the clock, and turn it over because we literally do not have an offense. How ridiculous is it that after three or four years of Ewing we have yet to see our team run an offense. It's honesty incredible! We need a real college basketball coach but to be honest I do not even care anymore. The school has changed, the students don't care at all about basketball, the administration doesn't care, and the alumni will be next to stop caring and in a few years everybody will forget Georgetown was once a proud program. It's not the school it was in the 80s and 90s. It's all academics all the time. What Georgetown was 30 years ago Villanova is now in almost every sense of the word in basketball and as a school. A family friend is a junior at Georgetown and is a huge sports fan. He's been there for two basketball seasons and he told us most of his friends have never gone to a game, him included. I have not seen any interviews where Mac said the "culture is toxic". Please post links to the interview where Mac said "the culture is toxic".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 11:03:00 GMT -5
I disagree. Recruiting rankings do not determine the success of a college program. A college coach's first responsibility on the job is to create a culture and a system. As McClung made clear in interviews post transfer, the culture is toxic so Ewing has failed miserably in that regard. Second responsibility is a system or an identity on the court. This could be, for example, five out offense, Princeton offense, 2-3 zone defense, something that is a staple that recruits can be plugged in to. These 18 year old kids that Georgetown is landing are not just going to come in and beat experienced, well coached teams playing hero ball. Jay Wright built Nova on the idea of hammering in fundamentals to his players, and once they have that down they can exercise more freedom on offense. We have no fundamentals and no offensive plan. It is honestly comical seeing our guards time and time again dribble in circles, run at the rim late in the clock, and turn it over because we literally do not have an offense. How ridiculous is it that after three or four years of Ewing we have yet to see our team run an offense. It's honesty incredible! We need a real college basketball coach but to be honest I do not even care anymore. The school has changed, the students don't care at all about basketball, the administration doesn't care, and the alumni will be next to stop caring and in a few years everybody will forget Georgetown was once a proud program. It's not the school it was in the 80s and 90s. It's all academics all the time. What Georgetown was 30 years ago Villanova is now in almost every sense of the word in basketball and as a school. A family friend is a junior at Georgetown and is a huge sports fan. He's been there for two basketball seasons and he told us most of his friends have never gone to a game, him included. I have not seen any interviews where Mac said the "culture is toxic". Please post links to the interview where Mac said "the culture is toxic". Professor you know these people on here posting are toxic people themselves and really silly. These guys on here love twisting words, love creating innuendoes about coach, criticizing 18 year old kids who are trying to find their way into the world and let alone execute x's and o's for the program. These guys are old "couch potatoes" who obviously don't have any shame for belittling young men who are obviously trying their best against all odds. Check out some of the other things this guy says in this post. He says, " We have no fundamentals and no offensive plan". I mean this is the most asinine thing to say about the staff who obviously knows more about basketball than we, who are in these feeds and on these boards, would ever know in our entire lifetime put together! He goes on to say, "It is honestly comical seeing our guards time and time again dribble in circles, run at the rim late in the clock, and turn it over because we literally do not have an offense. How ridiculous is it that after three or four years of Ewing we have yet to see our team run an offense". These people on here who are posting these silly comments can't be taken seriously.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 8, 2020 11:07:24 GMT -5
Never been to Duke. Have to wonder if Durham NC isn't more laid back and welcoming than DC and Georgetown. It is not. Duke is about as laid back as high tea. If you say so. But I have to think that a kid from the projects in Oakland or New Orleans or from a small town in SW Virginia has to feel intimidated by the GU on and off campus environment. I have taken many friends from my small Pa. town to GU and they remark on the preppy atmosphere as compared to larger state schools like Penn State or smaller Pa private schools like Villanova. Like I've said, I hope I'm wrong and that either a dynamite recruiting class or new coach will magically turn things around.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 8, 2020 11:13:00 GMT -5
I think the future of the program is to MOVE. I don’t know where they are moving to. I just know that the one thing I hear the most is Ewing yelling for them to move. I’m not sure the kids know where they are moving either but the better MOVE. Oh and REBOUND.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 8, 2020 11:29:39 GMT -5
It is not. Duke is about as laid back as high tea. If you say so. But I have to think that a kid from the projects in Oakland or New Orleans or from a small town in SW Virginia has to feel intimidated by the GU on and off campus environment. I have taken many friends from my small Pa. town to GU and they remark on the preppy atmosphere as compared to larger state schools like Penn State or smaller Pa private schools like Villanova. Like I've said, I hope I'm wrong and that either a dynamite recruiting class or new coach will magically turn things around. Yeah, Villanova definitely feels like a place very welcoming and familiar to a guy from the projects in Oakland or New Orleans. You do remember that Georgetown is in the city, right? And, Washington DC, too, which has a lot more in common with Oakland and NOLA than the Philly suburbs.
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