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Post by dchoya72 on Jun 12, 2021 16:50:27 GMT -5
Missed it, I guess there will be others.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 12, 2021 17:47:47 GMT -5
I love how the goal posts keep moving. First it's make the tourney by year X. Win BET by year Y. Now it's making the tournament is not good enough, it's we need an at large bid...lol. Love the knots some of you keep tiewing yourselves into... Because some believe its important in Yr 5 to qualify for the NCAA tournament ,without having a wonderful and miraculous run in NYC, surely isn't "moving the goalposts." Qualifying for the tourney based on the regular season or a win in the BET would be the next logical step after last year. And while I was very pleasantly surprised with the team's performance, even prior to the BET ( I felt early on that we did not have great individual talent), I will say the inability to even compete with a decent Colorado team, was troubling. That is what I want to see, and I am hardly some negative Ewing hater. He is my favorite player ever, and Coach Thompson, who I got to know a bit while coaching at St Anthony's ,is a hero to me. However, it is fully reasonable to expect to be one of the 40 or so best teams in the country next year. If we are not, I will be highly disappointed and concerned about the leadership and direction of the program. beenaround it should be expected for our team to not need the BE tourney trophy to qualify for the NCAAs. My personal issue is that some will feel this way no matter what might happen with our personnel. For instance, if Dante or Tre were to be lost to injury shouldn't that effect our expectations? But some on the board would actually blame Ewing for the injury...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 12, 2021 17:48:42 GMT -5
The overall perception I have is that we have gone down a notch as far as appeal is concerned and we are confused as to "why" with a big name like PE at the helm. The evidence is we fight for every inch in recruiting and are always uncertain until the LOI is signed, sealed and delivered. This is not to discount our recruiting victories, but we don't seem the shining star as in the past for recruits. JMHO. Too many similar programs, it’s hard to differentiate these days. Kids also want to play more right away which tends to spread the wealth.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 12, 2021 19:29:52 GMT -5
The overall perception I have is that we have gone down a notch as far as appeal is concerned and we are confused as to "why" with a big name like PE at the helm. The evidence is we fight for every inch in recruiting and are always uncertain until the LOI is signed, sealed and delivered. This is not to discount our recruiting victories, but we don't seem the shining star as in the past for recruits. JMHO. To understand the Georgetown brand today, let's take a step back 30 years or so. What made the Georgetown brand strong in 1991? In order, I'll say it was... 1. A nationally known and respected coach that was a role model to (but not exclusively to) African-American men. 2. A program that stressed a four year education to families where college was an aspiration. 3. Consistent visibility, particularly on national TV. 4. Consistent success, or appearances thereof, at the tournament level. Where are we today? Through any number of factors planned and unplanned, those four criteria are not where they were in 1991, and may not even be a brand differentiator today. 1. Patrick Ewing is a nationally known and respected coach but he is better known as an NBA veteran than as the kind of role model John Thompson was, even if Ewing is now older than Thompson was when he retired. There are now a number of NBA players turned coaches (Juwan Howard, Penny Hardaway, Terry Porter, Bobby Hurley, etc.) so it's not the differentiator it might have been in the past. 2. One of John Thompson's lasting legacies was education, the deflated basketball, aka "don’t let eight pounds of air be the sum total of your existence." Dr. Maurice Jackson, a professor of history at Georgetown, once said: "You could be proud of these young men because they wore shirts and ties to games and attended class. This meant everything to older Blacks seeing these boys not only dominate on the court, but also graduate." But if you're a top recruit today, you're not planning to graduate--the longer you stay anywhere, the more your draft status wanes. If Aminu Mohammed is playing in 2025 as a senior, great, but it would be a tacit recognition that he was not a 1st round candidate. In short, a Georgetown University degree and the experience isn't the cachet it used to be for players or their families. 3. In 1990, Georgetown games were everywhere, particularly on ESPN and CBS. The Big East has never fully recovered from getting the shiv from ESPN and while the Fox Sports contract is great financially and spared the Big East getting marooned to the OTT wasteland on ESPN+, there's next to no coverage outside Fox from mid-December to the last weeks of the season when CBS starts its weekend games after the NFL ends, and certainly not across ESPN where, quoting the redoubtable Jay Bilas, "the Big East doesn't exist anymore". The Worldwide Leader helped sell the Georgetown brand for three decades but is loath to do so now. 4. A lot of small-c casual fans don't pay attention to college basketball until March, and that includes a lot of Georgetown fans. Georgetown missed the NCAA's six consecutive seasons and, perhaps more importantly, hasn't got out of the first weekend in 14. People have lost interest. And however exciting the Colorado game was set up to be, Georgetown was in and out before most people were tuning in that weekend and thus the brand didn't get the kind of exposure others did. A fifth, if a marginal benefit: players were getting into the NBA which sold the program. At one point, Georgetown had nine full time players in the NBA, including All-Stars. A tireless but aging Jeff Green (35 next season) and Otto Porter, whose max contract is behind him, is the current representation GU has at this level. None of these are mortal wounds on their own but the fan base has to see through the fog of the good old days that Georgetown of 2021 isn't the Georgetown of Ewing, Mourning or Iverson. That's not a knock on Ewing, it's a reflection of the times and the kind of players that want to come to (and stay at) Georgetown. The key is whether Ewing can successfully pivot given these headwinds or continues to run the program like his mentor did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 21:06:56 GMT -5
All Georgetown has to do to get this thing turned around is to keep proposing the legacy of Georgetown basketball to the recruits..that's all they have to do.
Before too long they will get the high rated players in that would want to put on the Georgetown uniform. It worked for Mac. It worked for Akinjo. It worked for Aminu.
Of course once qe get them(our top talent), we got to keep them. But, if we just continue to sell the kids on helping to bring the program back to prominence, the kids will come. It's appealing to the kids, their parents and grandparents know about it (the Georgetown legacy) and they want something to fight for. They want to have pride in the program they are representing. I think that's all you really need to do and this thing will change very soon.
Aminu is going to be that bridge that is going to have more high rated players coming here in the years to come. Coach just have to find a way to hold onto his top players somehow. I understand that Aminu may be gone after a couple of years, and that is understandable. We have to get a few high rated players during the Aminu era.
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 12, 2021 23:23:51 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone caught the Clipper/Utah game tonight but during the telecast they spoke of how Paul George was down to two schools…Fresno State and Georgetown and he decided to stay home. Had no idea about that. Not sure it would have altered the trajectory of our program….but an interesting note.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jun 13, 2021 2:36:52 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone caught the Clipper/Utah game tonight but during the telecast they spoke of how Paul George was down to two schools…Fresno State and Georgetown and he decided to stay home. Had no idea about that. Not sure it would have altered the trajectory of our program….but an interesting note. Is that the same class as Greg Monroe, Henry Sims and Jason Clark? Significant. Didn’t know that.
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Post by dense on Jun 13, 2021 9:03:02 GMT -5
Missed it, I guess there will be others. Yeah Tyler and Ryan seem to post alot of instastories everyday. Especially Tyler. Basically Riley took one dribble in from standing still at the foul line extended , 2 foot jumped and did a between the legs dunk with decent power and acted like it was easy. Tyler was saying "Say that's lite" and Jalin said " that boy got bounce" there is your transcript
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 12:58:04 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone caught the Clipper/Utah game tonight but during the telecast they spoke of how Paul George was down to two schools…Fresno State and Georgetown and he decided to stay home. Had no idea about that. Not sure it would have altered the trajectory of our program….but an interesting note. Is that the same class as Greg Monroe, Henry Sims and Jason Clark? Significant. Didn’t know that. I heard it last night as well and I am not surprised. I keep on telling you guys that Georgetown brand is strong and all Coach has to do is sell the kids on the legacy aspect and the kids would want to come and will come. Why? Because the kids want to stand behind something and want to fight for something such as bringing Georgetown back to prominence. Everyone wants to see Georgetown come back to life, everybody. If not, why is it that you hear these guys in the media constantly bring up Georgetown all the time especially when Georgetown is not even relevant in the topic such as last night NBA playoff game? So yeah I ain't surprised, not at all.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jun 13, 2021 14:20:13 GMT -5
Is that the same class as Greg Monroe, Henry Sims and Jason Clark? Significant. Didn’t know that. I heard it last night as well and I am not surprised. I keep on telling you guys that Georgetown brand is strong and all Coach has to do is sell the kids on the legacy aspect and the kids would want to come and will come. Why? Because the kids want to stand behind something and want to fight for something such as bringing Georgetown back to prominence. Everyone wants to see Georgetown come back to life, everybody. If not, why is it that you hear these guys in the media constantly bring up Georgetown all the time especially when Georgetown is not even relevant in the topic such as last night NBA playoff game? So yeah I ain't surprised, not at all. We all know the value of Georgetown. The parents and grandparents of these players really know what it means, but then players have to value it and want to be here. I don't want the players who reluctantly sign on the dotted line to come here and then leave when the better suitor comes along. Also, I believe the coaches do a god job selling the program and what it can be with the addition of player X. A lot of the players want the shinier toy. We can be that shiny toy with more wins and turning out players who make the NBA. The BET was an great run and the media ran with. Can you imagine, Georgetown and Patrick Ewing was a feel good story? The program was getting print outside of the sports pages. Now is our time to capitalize on this. Have a successful season, make some post season noise and have another great recruiting class in '22.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 16:38:22 GMT -5
I heard it last night as well and I am not surprised. I keep on telling you guys that Georgetown brand is strong and all Coach has to do is sell the kids on the legacy aspect and the kids would want to come and will come. Why? Because the kids want to stand behind something and want to fight for something such as bringing Georgetown back to prominence. Everyone wants to see Georgetown come back to life, everybody. If not, why is it that you hear these guys in the media constantly bring up Georgetown all the time especially when Georgetown is not even relevant in the topic such as last night NBA playoff game? So yeah I ain't surprised, not at all. We all know the value of Georgetown. The parents and grandparents of these players really know what it means, but then players have to value it and want to be here. I don't want the players who reluctantly sign on the dotted line to come here and then leave when the better suitor comes along. Also, I believe the coaches do a god job selling the program and what it can be with the addition of player X. A lot of the players want the shinier toy. We can be that shiny toy with more wins and turning out players who make the NBA. The BET was an great run and the media ran with. Can you imagine, Georgetown and Patrick Ewing was a feel good story? The program was getting print outside of the sports pages. Now is our time to capitalize on this. Have a successful season, make some post season noise and have another great recruiting class in '22. The key to kids not bolting when someone else comes is for coach to focus on fewer high school recruits maybe 10 to 20 spread over two the three classes. But, but, but these kids that they are concentrating on all must be high 4 stars, high 5 star players. At this point we need to stay away from from low 4 stars, 3 and 2 star players for awhile. These are the guys who often bolting thinking the grass is greener somewhere else. The goal should be that we land one or two of the best high school guys in the country a year. The rest of the recruitment should be from the transfer market where we can land very good players who are mature and already know how to play basketball at the college level. I think this will solve a lot of our problems. It will especially solve our roster turnover problem because transfer players usually stay the entirety of the time left to play at the transferred school.
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 13, 2021 17:05:40 GMT -5
You are out of touch with reality if you think kids care about a school's legacy from 30 years ago. They care about their own brand, for good reason. Fans are selfish and want kids to be unselfish haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 20:11:46 GMT -5
You are out of touch with reality if you think kids care about a school's legacy from 30 years ago. They care about their own brand, for good reason. Fans are selfish and want kids to be unselfish haha. Why did Aminu and his handler choose Georgetown? Why did Mac and Akinjo choose the Hoyas? Why did Paul George want to choose the Hoyas? You tell me.
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 13, 2021 21:37:22 GMT -5
Mac chose Gtown because it was his best offer. Aminu chose Gtown because it's a depleted roster ideal for him as a stepping stone to the NBA. And Paul George chose the impressive basketball factory over the legacy of Georgetown.
These kids don't give a damn about restoring anything. They care about their bottom line. How do I get to where I want to go? What the Hoyas accomplished 30 years ago is not a factor. Us as fans should let it go too. Players are here to create new memories.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 22:24:53 GMT -5
Mac chose Gtown because it was his best offer. Aminu chose Gtown because it's a depleted roster ideal for him as a stepping stone to the NBA. And Paul George chose the impressive basketball factory over the legacy of Georgetown. These kids don't give a damn about restoring anything. They care about their bottom line. How do I get to where I want to go? What the Hoyas accomplished 30 years ago is not a factor. Us as fans should let it go too. Players are here to create new memories. Wait, Jeff Green, Otto Porter, Greg Monroe was 30 years ago? Also, if the kids all want to go to the NBA, by Georgetown's record under Patrick Ewing, none of them should choose Georgetown and so that argument you make makes absolutely no sense. Also in an interview that I saw with Mac and Akinjo both of them expressed interest in bringing Georgetown back to relevancy. I am almost certain that George knew at that time (when he was deciding) about Georgetown legacy. Why else would he even consider them? When he was deciding, it was probably around that time, Georgetown had gone far in the big dance with Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert. So I don't know what the heck you're talking about because I see you don't even read what the recruits are saying about why they are considering Georgetown. All talk about playing for a legend in Coach Ewing all are very aware of the Georgetown legacy. Finally, do you even know how many even get into the NBA each year? Let me give you a hint. The answer is very few.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jun 13, 2021 22:48:39 GMT -5
We all know the value of Georgetown. The parents and grandparents of these players really know what it means, but then players have to value it and want to be here. I don't want the players who reluctantly sign on the dotted line to come here and then leave when the better suitor comes along. Also, I believe the coaches do a god job selling the program and what it can be with the addition of player X. A lot of the players want the shinier toy. We can be that shiny toy with more wins and turning out players who make the NBA. The BET was an great run and the media ran with. Can you imagine, Georgetown and Patrick Ewing was a feel good story? The program was getting print outside of the sports pages. Now is our time to capitalize on this. Have a successful season, make some post season noise and have another great recruiting class in '22. The key to kids not bolting when someone else comes is for coach to focus on fewer high school recruits maybe 10 to 20 spread over two the three classes. But, but, but these kids that they are concentrating on all must be high 4 stars, high 5 star players.
At this point we need to stay away from from low 4 stars, 3 and 2 star players for awhile. These are the guys who often bolting thinking the grass is greener somewhere else. The goal should be that we land one or two of the best high school guys in the country a year. The rest of the recruitment should be from the transfer market where we can land very good players who are mature and already know how to play basketball at the college level. I think this will solve a lot of our problems. It will especially solve our roster turnover problem because transfer players usually stay the entirety of the time left to play at the transferred school. Interesting that you say this. You have witnessed the active debate on HT about wasting time for going for the 5 stars when we should focus on lower stars. I think we have gone after the best players available, many have chosen to go elsewhere. Playing exciting ball, with high flyers and winning will change their perception. If we had a better showing against Colorado, the roof would have blown off this place. People are looking at us to determine if it was a lucky run against squads we were familiar with and matched up well against. Then we got ran out the gym against a team we didn't know. I know we have a lot of new faces, but Coach is used to this. Our talent level has picked up and I believe they won't take as long to mesh together. We also have summer league. Can't wait!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 22:56:56 GMT -5
The key to kids not bolting when someone else comes is for coach to focus on fewer high school recruits maybe 10 to 20 spread over two the three classes. But, but, but these kids that they are concentrating on all must be high 4 stars, high 5 star players.
At this point we need to stay away from from low 4 stars, 3 and 2 star players for awhile. These are the guys who often bolting thinking the grass is greener somewhere else. The goal should be that we land one or two of the best high school guys in the country a year. The rest of the recruitment should be from the transfer market where we can land very good players who are mature and already know how to play basketball at the college level. I think this will solve a lot of our problems. It will especially solve our roster turnover problem because transfer players usually stay the entirety of the time left to play at the transferred school. Interesting that you say this. You have witnessed the active debate on HT about wasting time for going for the 5 stars when we should focus on lower stars. I think we have gone after the best players available, many have chosen to go elsewhere. Playing exciting ball, with high flyers and winning will change their perception. If we had a better showing against Colorado, the roof would have blown off this place. People are looking at us to determine if it was a lucky run against squads we were familiar with and matched up well against. Then we got ran out the gym against a team we didn't know. I know we have a lot of new faces, but Coach is used to this. Our talent level has picked up and I believe they won't take as long to mesh together. We also have summer league. Can't wait! Aminu is going to get the ball rolling for us as fas as the more high rated players choosing us in the future. Don't forget we qere in the race for PBJ as well.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 14, 2021 10:43:59 GMT -5
You are out of touch with reality if you think kids care about a school's legacy from 30 years ago. They care about their own brand, for good reason. Fans are selfish and want kids to be unselfish haha. What's out of touch with reality is not acknowledging that kids care are about $$$ and that is what is driving alot of them when choosing schools. Zion Williamson at Duke. White Privilege Will Wade, LSU Mark Gottfried, NC State Shawn Miller, Arizona
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 14, 2021 13:06:57 GMT -5
Of course kids say they want to do this and that. There is player speak, just like coach speak. If Mac's best offer was Villanova, he would go there and spin the same narrative, wanting to win a national title, continuing their success with guards, etc.
Almost every kid is shooting for the NBA. Doesn't matter how few make it or how widly unrealistic it is. You make it this far, to high D1, you might as well dream big since you made it further than most.
These kids don't share your memories of the Green/Porter/Hibbert teams. They want to be coached by an NBA Legend such as Ewing, until another school is better for their brand.
The reasons a recruit picks a school is not the same reasons a fan loves that school. That's the disconnect.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 14:29:38 GMT -5
Of course kids say they want to do this and that. There is player speak, just like coach speak. If Mac's best offer was Villanova, he would go there and spin the same narrative, wanting to win a national title, continuing their success with guards, etc. Almost every kid is shooting for the NBA. Doesn't matter how few make it or how widly unrealistic it is. You make it this far, to high D1, you might as well dream big since you made it further than most. These kids don't share your memories of the Green/Porter/Hibbert teams. They want to be coached by an NBA Legend such as Ewing, until another school is better for their brand. The reasons a recruit picks a school is not the same reasons a fan loves that school. That's the disconnect. Dude why don't you ever address me? Why are you just commenting and not quoting me directly? Only a fool speaks just to be speaking but a wise man speaks about something he knows about.. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/12/23/meet-georgetown-freshmen-who-are-trying-put-hoyas-basketball-back-map/Second article: A Gate's City Media Video. Second Paragraph: Mac talks about how Coach Ewing wants to bring the program back and Mac says he's all for it on National Signing Day. www.wjhl.com/sports/national-signing-day-gate-citys-mcclung-signs-with-georgetown-hoyas/
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