Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 11, 2021 13:07:50 GMT -5
I think if you meld all the arguments you end up with: “We have struggled early under Ewing, but there is reason for optimism.”
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 11, 2021 13:34:09 GMT -5
Stop playing games, we all know the answers to your questions. The fact that we won the BET and made the NCAA tournament is great, as I have said, time and time again. I am willing to admit that. It is a reason for optimism. I acknowledge that! The fact that you are willfully ignoring everything but the fact we won the BET shows a very narrow perspective on Georgetown basketball. If you can look at the last 4 years and not see any struggles, then I am not sure what to say. The BET does not change that. I don’t think you can answer those questions or put them in writing. Because that would be acknowledging success and a milestone in the current program that has been down for over a decade. If you are being totally honest using your analytics you would have to agree that the program is on an upward trend having won the BET and made the tournament. Regardless of what the future holds, at this moment in time, You can at least admit that, right. I have acknowledged that this year, in 2021, we made the BET finals, won the BET, and made the NCAA tournament. And, if you look at my posts from when that happened, you'll see I was quite excited about it. You, however, entirely ignored the points in my post, and instead just asked for an answer to your "questions." I have acknowledged the success at the end of the 2021 season, and that it was great we landed Aminu. I am not sure what more you want. Unlike you, I am not willing to ignore the 3.5 years that came before it. I understand maybe that is part of being a "fanatic," and that's fine. But, I am not going to get lectured about not acknowledging success and/or a milestone, when I have acknowledged it multiple times, including, I think, now three times in this thread alone. If you choose to ignore that to retreat to your talking points, that's on you.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 11, 2021 13:34:39 GMT -5
I think if you meld all the arguments you end up with: “We have struggled early under Ewing, but there is reason for optimism.” Correct, but for whatever reason, certain posters aren't even willing to acknowledge the struggles, and would prefer to pretend as if they never happened. What are you going to say if the momentum is carried forward to next year? Are you going to move the goalpost and keep harping on what has happened say the previous three years before coach brought our team back into the post season of last year?" No, if the momentum continues, and we make the NCAA tournament and have a successful season, I would be very pleased. While this may be better reserved for an "expectations" thread, I think a season where we make the NCAA tournament as an at-large bid would be carrying the momentum forward. For what it's worth, I think there is a good chance the momentum DOES carry forward, and we will have a better season next year. But, it's certainly no sure thing. My problem is that some people do not like any opinion that differs from the the "optimism, all things are great because won the BET" position. I want us to win, and I want to be back in the NCAA tournament regularly. I hope that continues this year with Ewing, Aminu and the rest. This is getting to the area of silly-town, so I think it's time for the discussion to move on from this.
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Post by bigelephant on Jun 11, 2021 13:54:45 GMT -5
Can I hear an "Amen!"
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Post by themayor on Jun 11, 2021 14:14:42 GMT -5
Last word "AMEN" Go Hoyas
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Post by drquigley on Jun 11, 2021 16:25:58 GMT -5
Until the Wahab transfer I was confident we had turned the corner. As I keep posting, I want the Hoyas to go through a year with "NO DRAMA" i.e. no transfers, decommits, and expulsions. I want us to somehow keep guys 3+ years and establish a "Hoya Way" a la Nova. I want our top recruits to contribute from year one and stay awhile. I'm tired of watching OOC games and hearing the announcers identify players as "former Georgetown players". Like most of us I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is the year we have the kind of kids coming in that will allow us to begin that process.
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Post by hoyas212 on Jun 11, 2021 20:11:27 GMT -5
Wahab would’ve been on the preseason All Big East team, but that is primarily a function of his astronomical usage for a back to the basket center. His loss hurts more because Tim, Malcolm, and Ryan probably aren’t ideally Big East starters yet. His departure seems like it can be attributed to a delusional handler as opposed to the Akinjo, Leblanc, McClung transfers which raised questions about the program on and off the court.
The ‘22 recruiting class is going to be a strong indicator of the state of the program. The staff is involved with a lot of coveted prospects and have already locked in or had visits with many of them. The caliber of this class needs to be much closer to the ‘21 class than the unheralded ‘20 class.
With a closer to normal summer recruiting calendar, I continue to think it is a mistake to not have Coach Crouch in one of the assistant jobs that permits off campus recruiting.
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Post by dense on Jun 12, 2021 0:06:07 GMT -5
Jordan Riley's dunk on Jalin Billingsley and Tyler Beard's instagram like "come on!!!" and he did that so easy.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 12, 2021 5:50:46 GMT -5
When evaluating recruiting for next year, you have to factor in the transfers and not just the ‘22 seniors.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 12, 2021 7:24:36 GMT -5
I think if you meld all the arguments you end up with: “We have struggled early under Ewing, but there is reason for optimism.” Correct, but for whatever reason, certain posters aren't even willing to acknowledge the struggles, and would prefer to pretend as if they never happened. What are you going to say if the momentum is carried forward to next year? Are you going to move the goalpost and keep harping on what has happened say the previous three years before coach brought our team back into the post season of last year?" No, if the momentum continues, and we make the NCAA tournament and have a successful season, I would be very pleased. While this may be better reserved for an "expectations" thread, I think a season where we make the NCAA tournament as an at-large bid would be carrying the momentum forward. For what it's worth, I think there is a good chance the momentum DOES carry forward, and we will have a better season next year. But, it's certainly no sure thing. My problem is that some people do not like any opinion that differs from the the "optimism, all things are great because won the BET" position. I want us to win, and I want to be back in the NCAA tournament regularly. I hope that continues this year with Ewing, Aminu and the rest. This is getting to the area of silly-town, so I think it's time for the discussion to move on from this. 2003 I don't think it's because you don't have optimism. I think it's more because you come across as labeling last year as a flukey run and those of us on the opposite side label it as progress. You sound like those on the outside of the program that say GTown went on a magical 4 day run but people that follow the program like we do should see more than the BE tourney. The team was close early in the season but would blow games late. By the end of the season we were winning close games and only losing to the top BE teams. Do you think we win the Provy or X games in the beginning of the season? Really only Nova and UCONN beat us soundly and Nova we were in all three games until late. Only the Nova tourney game can you say we were fortunate. Quette, SH, and Creighton were games in which we outplayed the opponent. You have to see some progress in how Ewing's team played last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 7:37:55 GMT -5
I think if you meld all the arguments you end up with: “We have struggled early under Ewing, but there is reason for optimism.” Correct, but for whatever reason, certain posters aren't even willing to acknowledge the struggles, and would prefer to pretend as if they never happened. What are you going to say if the momentum is carried forward to next year? Are you going to move the goalpost and keep harping on what has happened say the previous three years before coach brought our team back into the post season of last year?" No, if the momentum continues, and we make the NCAA tournament and have a successful season, I would be very pleased. While this may be better reserved for an "expectations" thread, I think a season where we make the NCAA tournament as an at-large bid would be carrying the momentum forward. For what it's worth, I think there is a good chance the momentum DOES carry forward, and we will have a better season next year. But, it's certainly no sure thing. My problem is that some people do not like any opinion that differs from the the "optimism, all things are great because won the BET" position. I want us to win, and I want to be back in the NCAA tournament regularly. I hope that continues this year with Ewing, Aminu and the rest. This is getting to the area of silly-town, so I think it's time for the discussion to move on from this. Be honest 03 … would you rather have the team win the Big East shooting mainly long 2s, or be in the middle of the pack shooting mostly 3s? 😂😂 j/k
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 12, 2021 8:05:59 GMT -5
You have to see some progress in how Ewing's team played last year. Of course, last year's team played much better at the end of the season, and it was great to see. What I particularly loved seeing in the BET was how much better we played on defense. It means we can do it, now the key is just replicating that over a longer stretch. I am also really excited for the incoming class. Hopefully, getting some new talent that is apparently good on defense will bolster those efforts as well.
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Post by vv83 on Jun 12, 2021 9:21:55 GMT -5
The season ending defensive debacle against Colorado makes it harder to believe in the progress the defense made down the stretch of the BE season. Some of it was Colorado shooting the lights out, but most of those shots were wide open. There's no way to sugarcoat it, Colorado destroyed our D in that game.
That being said - the better D in BE homestretch was sustained enough to offer at least some hope for the future. If we can get off to a good defensive start in November, and wash the taste of that Colorado game out - it will be a lot easier to be optimistic about meaningful improvement in the new season.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jun 12, 2021 9:35:06 GMT -5
When evaluating recruiting for next year, you have to factor in the transfers and not just the ‘22 seniors. Where can that clip be found? I didn't see it on Tyler's Instagram.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jun 12, 2021 9:38:02 GMT -5
Jordan Riley's dunk on Jalin Billingsley and Tyler Beard's instagram like "come on!!!" and he did that so easy. Dense, I couldn't find such video clip on Tyler Beard's Instagram. I'm sure we would all love to see inside action. Help, please.
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Post by Omega on Jun 12, 2021 12:40:47 GMT -5
I love how the goal posts keep moving. First it's make the tourney by year X. Win BET by year Y. Now it's making the tournament is not good enough, it's we need an at large bid...lol.
Love the knots some of you keep tiewing yourselves into...
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 12, 2021 12:56:03 GMT -5
I love how the goal posts keep moving. First it's make the tourney by year X. Win BET by year Y. Now it's making the tournament is not good enough, it's we need an at large bid...lol. Love the knots some of you keep tieing yourselves into... To be fair, winning the BET by a certain year was never anyone's goal for Gtown since PE has been coach... To me talking about an at-large bid for Gtown is a realistic goal, chances aren't high that they're going to win the BET to get an automatic bid again...
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dense
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Post by dense on Jun 12, 2021 13:23:08 GMT -5
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Post by beenaround on Jun 12, 2021 15:24:00 GMT -5
I love how the goal posts keep moving. First it's make the tourney by year X. Win BET by year Y. Now it's making the tournament is not good enough, it's we need an at large bid...lol. Love the knots some of you keep tiewing yourselves into... Because some believe its important in Yr 5 to qualify for the NCAA tournament ,without having a wonderful and miraculous run in NYC, surely isn't "moving the goalposts." Qualifying for the tourney based on the regular season or a win in the BET would be the next logical step after last year. And while I was very pleasantly surprised with the team's performance, even prior to the BET ( I felt early on that we did not have great individual talent), I will say the inability to even compete with a decent Colorado team, was troubling. That is what I want to see, and I am hardly some negative Ewing hater. He is my favorite player ever, and Coach Thompson, who I got to know a bit while coaching at St Anthony's ,is a hero to me. However, it is fully reasonable to expect to be one of the 40 or so best teams in the country next year. If we are not, I will be highly disappointed and concerned about the leadership and direction of the program.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Jun 12, 2021 15:53:36 GMT -5
The overall perception I have is that we have gone down a notch as far as appeal is concerned and we are confused as to "why" with a big name like PE at the helm. The evidence is we fight for every inch in recruiting and are always uncertain until the LOI is signed, sealed and delivered.
This is not to discount our recruiting victories, but we don't seem the shining star as in the past for recruits. JMHO.
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